Router Stats

Afternoon,

Would someone please take a moment to check my router stats.
Just want to know if they seem about right on my long line
Much appreciated


System Up Time 00:46:46
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 7069 8590 0 939 3013 00:45:29
LAN 10M/100M 14249 14569 0 3942 1387 00:46:27
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 2298 0 0 286 0 00:46:30

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 883 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 0.0 dB
Noise Margin 7.5 dB 0.0 dB

Sorry, should have previewed my post as some figures show 0.0db
here we go



System Up Time 01:04:46
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 8784 10414 0 853 2492 01:03:29
LAN 10M/100M 18284 19147 0 3442 1305 01:04:27
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 3203 0 0 287 0 01:04:30

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 883 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 34.7 dB
Noise Margin 8.4 dB 6.1 dB

Yep, they look OK for a, as you say, longish line.

Great, thanks

As Zarjaz says, they look reasonably OK. I would suggest you check out the ring wire in your phone master socket though. See this page.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

As Zarjaz says, they look reasonably OK. I would suggest you check out the ring wire in your phone master socket though. See this page.

Thanks for the suggestion, I have already done this after looking at your site over the last few weeks, it's been very helpful.
I also had my router on quite a long extension as it wasn't convenient to plug it directly into the Master Socket but when tried it plugged directly in the Master Socket the Downstream speed was 27xx kpbs rather than the 20xx kbps I was getting on the extension.
It may not seem a lot of difference but on what I think is a long line 59db ? (2 miles from exchange by road) I want to get the most I possibly can.

Last weekend I made it convenient to have the router plugged directly into the Master Socket permanently but now whenever I restart the router it always connects at 2264kbps every time.

I have tried an older router this morning and the results are


ADSL firmware version : A2pBT009c1.d17d
Connection mode : ADSL2
Type : Fast
Noise margin (dB) : 11.3
Attenuation (dB) : 61.5
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 3024
ADSL status : Connected [0]

Downstream Upstream
Rate (kbps) 2271 811


Many thanks for your time

Odd that the improvment at the master socket isn't still there.

When you got the 27xx, was that the normal socket on it, or the test socket inside?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Odd that the improvment at the master socket isn't still there.

When you got the 27xx, was that the normal socket on it, or the test socket inside?

Same Socket (Normal) no test socket available, line was installed in 1980
Yeah I thought it strange, is it something that may take some time to appear ?

Nope. Connection speed improvement should be immediate. You have removed the ring wire I hope? Even though it's an old type socket?

You sure it is the master? With the capacitor at the top, like the LJ 2/1A here, not the LJ 2/3A next to it.

I just noticed the noise margin is high. That's the immediate problem. Have you been disconnecting and reconnecting a lot?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Nope. Connection speed improvement should be immediate. You have removed the ring wire I hope? Even though it's an old type socket?

You sure it is the master? With the capacitor at the top, like the LJ 2/1A here, not the LJ 2/3A next to it.

Removed the ring wire, it is the LJ 2/1A yes

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I just noticed the noise margin is high. That's the immediate problem. Have you been disconnecting and reconnecting a lot?

I've rebooted my router a few times over the last couple of days, not a lot and also changed routers this morning and then changed back
But before that I was connected for around 160 hours

What are your two routers? (Neat nick!)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

What are your two routers? (Neat nick!)

Thanks, old one is Orange Livebox current one is Netgear DGN1000

I suggest just one reconnection as long as you do it before 4pm. Otherwise well into daylight tomorrow. Please take and post the stats immediately afterwards, as I want to see the noise margin at that point .

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 15-Jan-12 15:23:40)

Stats below from rebooting my router just minutes ago



System Up Time 00:03:07
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 137 205 0 272 1023 00:01:45
LAN 10M/100M 569 663 0 1742 723 00:02:48
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 158 0 0 308 0 00:02:51

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 879 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 0.0 dB
Noise Margin 7.1 dB 0.0 dB

My Noise Margin Downstream was 10.0db before reboot, I dont quite understand what figure is better if any

Edit: as again some values show 0.0db



System Up Time 00:14:55
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 1119 1690 0 409 1129 00:13:33
LAN 10M/100M 3084 3561 0 1979 854 00:14:36
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 729 0 0 287 0 00:14:39

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 879 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 34.7 dB
Noise Margin 7.5 dB 7.0 dB

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Jan-12 16:18:30)

This is really wierd. Which router are you on now. You have got it going through a filter, and anything else in the place as well?

Which ISP is it? Just wondering if that would give a clue to the (almost) fixed speed. You did have 2271 recently.

Have you any idea what is causing these zero figures, and do both routers do it? Do they suddenly fill in?

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 15-Jan-12 16:25:22)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

This is really wierd. Which router are you on now. You have got it going through a filter, and anything else in the place as well?

Which ISP is it? Just wondering if that would give a clue to the (almost) fixed speed. You did have 2271 recently.

Netgear, going through just the 1 filter now in the master socket instead of 2 before with the extension. Only 1 phoneline also on the filter, no sky box etc.

I'm with Orange, I had 2271kbps when connected to the Livebox
Since about a week downstream connection speed always shows 2264kbps even after a reconnect when before the figure always varied, even if only slightly

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Have you any idea what is causing these zero figures, and do both routers do it? Do they suddenly fill in?

No idea, the Livebox only shows the downstream figures, the Netgear Stats all show 0 a few seconds after reboot then after a few seconds it shows everything except the upstream Line and Noise but after 10secs or maybe another 10secs it shows fills them in then

Ummmm.

2272 is the sync for a "banded profile" with a 2Mbps top limit, if there is such a band. That's the only thing that strikes me at the moment.

Just double-checking - you definitely once had a 27xx at that socket? It wasn't 227x? If it was 27xx, which router was it?

Is anything electrical/electronic sitting very close to or on another? Like video recorders or anything? Is it a cordless phone, and if so where is the base station?

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Have you any idea what is causing these zero figures, and do both routers do it? Do they suddenly fill in?

No idea, the Livebox only shows the downstream figures, the Netgear Stats all show 0 a few seconds after reboot then after a few seconds it shows everything except the upstream Line and Noise but after 10secs or maybe another 10secs it shows fills them in then

I begin to suspect something at the exchange.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Ummmm.

2272 is the sync for a "banded profile" with a 2Mbps top limit, if there is such a band. That's the only thing that strikes me at the moment.

Just double-checking - you definitely once had a 27xx at that socket? It wasn't 227x? If it was 27xx, which router was it?

Is anything electrical/electronic sitting very close to or on another? Like video recorders or anything? Is it a cordless phone, and if so where is the base station?

Definitely 27xx in the same socket but with the Livebox Router, 2648 with the Netgear Router
(Sat 19 Nov 2011 10:51:36, Noise Margin= 9.0, Sync Speed= 2648)

The Base for the cordless phone is quite close to the router, about a meter apart

In daylight sometime, try unplugging the base station from the power socket, and try a reconnection of the broadband while it is off.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In daylight sometime, try unplugging the base station from the power socket, and try a reconnection of the broadband while it is off.

I may not get a chance now until next weekend unless I try it shortly after sunrise, around half 8.
Either way i'll give it a go in the morning, see if it makes any difference, if not i'll try it a bit later into the daytime on Saturday

Thanks for your time today

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Very strange.

Evening all,

I have some more stats;

taken this morning after turning off cordless phone by the mains

System Up Time 00:01:28
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 3 3 0 37 33 00:00:05
LAN 10M/100M 196 258 0 1187 624 00:01:09
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 50 0 0 235 0 00:01:12

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 831 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 34.7 dB
Noise Margin 7.2 dB 6.6 dB

taken around 5:30pm with phone remaining off all day

System Up Time 08:59:06
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 74457 140428 0 141 6373 08:57:44
LAN 10M/100M 21187 41612 0 370 308 08:58:48
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 169395 74295 0 6810 174 08:58:51

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 831 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 34.7 dB
Noise Margin 8.7 dB 5.2 dB

and lastly taken just minutes ago after switching cordless phone base station back on

System Up Time 08:59:06
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 74457 140428 0 141 6373 08:57:44
LAN 10M/100M 21187 41612 0 370 308 08:58:48
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 169395 74295 0 6810 174 08:58:51

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 831 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 34.7 dB
Noise Margin 8.7 dB 5.2 dB

Sorry I wasn't logged in for the post above

I'd say there is definitely an exchange or setup problem.

Incidentally your final set of stats are the same as the 5:30 ones. I think you probably forgot to "copy" them and pasted the same again .

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I'd say there is definitely an exchange or setup problem.

Incidentally your final set of stats are the same as the 5:30 ones. I think you probably forgot to "copy" them and pasted the same again .

Right you are, oops
The last set should have been these below

System Up Time 00:01:25
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 0 0 0 0 0 00:00:00
LAN 10M/100M 468 459 0 3707 969 00:01:06
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 28 0 0 140 0 00:01:09

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2264 Kbps 792 Kbps
Line Attenuation 59.7 dB 34.6 dB
Noise Margin 6.4 dB 5.9 dB

There's been a disconnection there!

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

There's been a disconnection there!

Sorry, what does that mean ?

Your router has disconnected from the exchange and reconnected between the 5:30 stats and the final set. A re-sync in other words.

The upstream connection speed changed. That's the only way it could.

Edit - me being blind - see "System Up Time 00:01:25". I missed that before.

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 16-Jan-12 21:52:06)

Am I correct in thinking that my Downlstream Connection Speed of 2264kbps every time after any reboot is not normal ?

Yes you are right. It is not normal. As I mentioned earlier, and bit looks even more so now, I think there is a cap of 2272 set on the line and 2264 just happens to be the result when using that router.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Yes you are right. It is not normal. As I mentioned earlier, and bit looks even more so now, I think there is a cap of 2272 set on the line and 2264 just happens to be the result when using that router.

Thanks, is it a case of just ringing up Orange to find out why or could it be capped for some reason ?
Seems odd capping such a small amount ?

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Yes you are right. It is not normal. As I mentioned earlier, and bit looks even more so now, I think there is a cap of 2272 set on the line and 2264 just happens to be the result when using that router.

Thanks, is it a case of just ringing up Orange to find out why or could it be capped for some reason ?
Seems odd capping such a small amount ?

"just" may be a bit optimistic , but that's what I would do. A cap could have been imposed by the DLM because it thought there was instability, and I think removing it is a manual operation.

Is it possible you are still on a legacy fixed 2 Meg package, such as I had in 2007?

If so, Orange probably expect you to take a new contract to uncap you.

What does it say under "change your package" on your Orange Account?

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Is it possible you are still on a legacy fixed 2 Meg package, such as I had in 2007?

If so, Orange probably expect you to take a new contract to uncap you.

What does it say under "change your package" on your Orange Account?

2007 was when I first went with Orange so it's possible
But then again, I had problems back in august with the broadband being very slow, barely opening pages, had an email 2 weeks later saying they were Making "Improvements to your broadband service" but a month later it was still the same So I called them and was offered a new router and 3 months free.
Had an email later saying "We've updated your broadband contract to 12 months as agreed when you contacted us" although there was no mention of a contract update when on the phone but I guess accepting the new router was part of a renewal.

Under change your home package it says Your current home package is:

Home Select - with your Orange phone - £12.26 a month, up to 8 Meg speed, Livebox, Unlimited usage allowance (fair use policy applies). Plus inclusive calls via the Livebox to UK local and national numbers, calls to 30 international destinations (fair use policy applies) and calls to Orange Mobile customers

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

"just" may be a bit optimistic , but that's what I would do. A cap could have been imposed by the DLM because it thought there was instability, and I think removing it is a manual operation.


Thanks, I'll give it a go tomorrow

Sunday 11:30

I also had my router on quite a long extension as it wasn't convenient to plug it directly into the Master Socket but when tried it plugged directly in the Master Socket the Downstream speed was 27xx kpbs rather than the 20xx kbps I was getting on the extension.

Plus Sunday 16:59

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Ummmm.

2272 is the sync for a "banded profile" with a 2Mbps top limit, if there is such a band. That's the only thing that strikes me at the moment.

Just double-checking - you definitely once had a 27xx at that socket? It wasn't 227x? If it was 27xx, which router was it?

Is anything electrical/electronic sitting very close to or on another? Like video recorders or anything? Is it a cordless phone, and if so where is the base station?

Definitely 27xx in the same socket but with the Livebox Router, 2648 with the Netgear Router
(Sat 19 Nov 2011 10:51:36, Noise Margin= 9.0, Sync Speed= 2648)

Thanks for your time again today RobertoS, much appreciated.

Evening,

Could anyone please fill me in on what to expect from an OpenReach visit regarding copper degradation ?
or point me in the right direction.

Cheers

RESULT !

System Up Time 00:02:04
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 43 27 0 341 96 00:00:50
LAN 10M/100M 309 472 0 949 740 00:01:45
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 95 0 0 267 0 00:01:48

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 4760 Kbps 1099 Kbps
Line Attenuation 49.4 dB 27.7 dB
Noise Margin 6.0 dB 5.2 dB

Brilliant!

What did the engineer do? That looks as though he changed you onto a different pair, as well as removing the banding.

All we have to do now is find out why you aren't getting another 1Mbps above that! (Not joking!). Probably your home phone wiring.

Read my Ring/bell wire page.

Yes, he said there were 2 lines available and changed me onto another one that had 10db less.

You were right, his reader showed 2272 fixed and a fluctuating 37xx achievable before changing the line. He even rang Orange too as it was still connecting at 2272 after he had changed the line over at the exchange, top bloke, knew his stuff.
They still said I wasn't capped but something about "long line" and "cad" ?

Seriously, another Mbps would be great if possible, though I'm really pleased to have my sync rate around doubled.
Shortly after connecting this morning it dropped from 4760 to 4408 and has kept that since.

I was reading your page on Ring/bell wire earlier when wondering if the ring wire would have been re-connected when new block terminal and master socket were fitted.
It has the Openreach writing on it so I don't need to check on the ring wire, correct ?

Forgot to ask;

When using RouterStats Lite, what am I supposed to be looking at to determine the best time of day to connect to get the highest connection rate possible.

Thanks

Main rule of thumb is best speed is obtained by connecting well inside daylight hours. Dusk and dawn are less good, night is poor.

Fine-tuning within daytime is subject to a lot of variables, easily changing daily, but the higher the noise margin showing in RSL the more likely you will get a good speed. I wouldn't worry too much about it, with what you are getting.

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

I was reading your page on Ring/bell wire earlier when wondering if the ring wire would have been re-connected when new block terminal and master socket were fitted.

Probably.

It has the Openreach writing on it so I don't need to check on the ring wire, correct ?

In theory, correct. In practice, not aways.

I suggest you leave it a couple of days, then try a dangly filter into the test socket inside the master, with no extension lead. Take the stats like that, then immediately put everything back to normal and take them again. Post both sets. We need them as close together as possible as things change anyway over time, as you know .

I no longer have the extension lead, the router and phone go directly into a dangly filter connected directly into the master socket.
I will try the test socket though just to be sure the connection speed is the same/similar

If the NTE is your only phone point, and the engineer changed your NTE for an Openreach branded one, then there will be no difference between the front and the test socket.

Thanks, it is the only phone point and also openreach branded

Shouldn't be . I reckon it is worth checking.

Thanks, no harm in checking anyway

Edit:

How do I find out if im on dslMax, adsl2+ (21CN) or adsl2+ (LLU) please

Edited by deleted (Sun 22-Jan-12 14:29:40)

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

How do I find out if im on dslMax, adsl2+ (21CN) or adsl2+ (LLU) please

This line with older Livebox router:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Connection mode : ADSL2

Note that that is not ADSL2+ but ADSL2 only. It may have changed since. Don't think you can find out on DGN1000.

Orange are no longer LLU, so it will be on 21CN WBC.

Thanks, I ask because on the DGN1000 it was on Auto (Multi-Mode) but now it is on ADSL2+
Pretty sure I didn't change it, probably best to leave it as is ?

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

on the DGN1000 it was on Auto (Multi-Mode) but now it is on ADSL2+

That's a request setting. Not sure if the exchange will negotiate it downwards as it thinks fit.

You could always try the Livebox to see what Mode it connects at.

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sun 22-Jan-12 17:43:46)

Yes, I'll try the Livebox to see if it has changed from ADSL2 to ADSL2+
Thanks

Whats the upstream sync rate ? That'll tell you what product is coming dowm the line.

Not ADSL2 vs. ADSL2+! That is the Q!

There doesn't seem to be any major difference and the ring wire isn't connected.
Results taken a few minutes ago

Test Socket

System Up Time 00:02:59
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 22 52 0 9 28 00:01:40
LAN 10M/100M 407 457 0 1088 480 00:02:40
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 121 0 0 234 0 00:02:44

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 4504 Kbps 1087 Kbps
Line Attenuation 49.4 dB 27.7 dB
Noise Margin 6.8 dB 5.6 dB

Immediately after

Regular Socket

System Up Time 00:01:13
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 0 0 0 0 0 00:00:00
LAN 10M/100M 176 208 0 1374 646 00:00:54
WLAN 11M/54M/150M 24 0 0 148 0 00:00:58

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 4472 Kbps 1091 Kbps
Line Attenuation 49.5 dB 27.7 dB
Noise Margin 6.1 dB 5.9 dB

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

on the DGN1000 it was on Auto (Multi-Mode) but now it is on ADSL2+

That's a request setting. Not sure if the exchange will negotiate it downwards as it thinks fit.

You could always try the Livebox to see what Mode it connects at.

It's ADSL 2

ADSL firmware version : A2pBT009c1.d17d
Connection mode : ADSL2
Type : Fast
Noise margin (dB) : 6.3
Attenuation (dB) : 51.0
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 4575
ADSL status : Connected [0]

Downstream Upstream
Rate (kbps) 4575 1011

Thanks

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Have you any idea what is causing these zero figures, and do both routers do it? Do they suddenly fill in?

No idea, the Livebox only shows the downstream figures, the Netgear Stats all show 0 a few seconds after reboot then after a few seconds it shows everything except the upstream Line and Noise but after 10secs or maybe another 10secs it shows fills them in then

I begin to suspect something at the exchange.

This is just a bug of this router.

In reply to a post by vimto_girl:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

... nested quotes trimmed ...

No idea, the Livebox only shows the downstream figures, the Netgear Stats all show 0 a few seconds after reboot then after a few seconds it shows everything except the upstream Line and Noise but after 10secs or maybe another 10secs it shows fills them in then

I begin to suspect something at the exchange.

This is just a bug of this router.

The WI-FI is quite poor, do you have any experience with the DGN2200 ?

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

The WI-FI is quite poor

That's being generous!

In reply to a post by 2blue5white:

do you have any experience with the DGN2200 ?

Nope, sorry. One option, if you want to keep the DGN1000 for the roles of modem (where it is excellent) and router (where it is very decent for everyday use), is to disable its wireless and configure any router you might have ,including a Livebox I think, to act as the wireless access point instead.

Thanks, I am going to look into doing that.
Although my version of the Livebox is not Wireless N it had far better signal strength than the DGN1000

Disable DHCP on the Livebox. Change its LAN address to something on the Netgear's LAN that is outside the range you allow the Netgear to allocate.

Connect the two routers using ethernet cable, as long as you like. Use the Netgear as the connection to the net.

The further apart the two are, the better. You can use both as wireless access points. The best way depends on whether all the things connecting wirelessly are fixed in place, or might move around whilst in use.