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Hi am having problems with talktalk low sync speed with constant disconnection issue with bt not finding any problem saying its fine.....my queston is, as I am near end of my contract and want to move is there any way of getting another isp supplier and getting new line installed as I believe the problem with my speed is its old aluminium cable and possibly got high resistance somewhere, so paying 2 isp I.e talktalk for last 2 months and also getting different isp to start another contract out,with new line installed, no bother about having new number..(BT openreach wont even check on top of pole).
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A new line would not be a problem, but there are no guarantees that it will not be in the same bundle of pairs from exchange to cabinet and cabinet to pole; from there it will use the same drop-wire as you currently have.
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Cant be same wire can it, from pole to house may be same cable from pole to cabinet....sorry drop wire take I you mean from pole to house
Edited by deleted (Sun 10-Nov-13 10:02:34)
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The drop-wire from pole to house will have 2 (or 4) pairs so one for existing and one for new. That same wire may also go from your pole across several more to top of pole junction box.
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Usually the cable to the premises comes with 2 pairs; 1 connected and 1 spare. If that is your case BT OR will just use the spare. It probably (certainly?) travels the same route back to exchange.
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Right checked there is three wires comming from outside grey or three copper wire two are connected from box to a white wire which has 6 wires 2 are conected to other 2 outside with one spare.
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I think a photo would be better to be honest.
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The only way to guarantee that a new line does not use any of the existing wires is, as you say, to order a new line before the old line is ceased.
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That surely doesn't prevent a second pair in the drop wire being used?
Or can a second drop wire be ordered by a customer/CP?
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Right first thing dropwire is that the cable which attached from pole to connection box or is it connection box to master socket because from outside is three grey wires two are connected in junction box other grey spare,which connects to white cable with 6 wire to master socket only 2 connected in junction box and 2 wire connected to master....
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No it doesn't Bob, but then think about it, there's a fair bit more to a lines pair than just the dropwire.
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The term dropwire applies to the cable from the pole to the premises.
Not sure where you are getting 'grey wires' from, as someone asked earlier, some photos might help.
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The 2nd pair in the dropwire may terminate at the box on the roof and not continue into the premises; being at readiness to provide a 2nd line.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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Just to add, the 'standard' installed dropwire has been a single pair for a couple of years now.
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That's important for us to know, thanks  , as previously wasn't the norm 3-pair?
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No it doesn't Bob, but then think about it, there's a fair bit more to a lines pair than just the dropwire.
Yep. It's just I wanted to cover:- (BT openreach wont even check on top of pole). to show the OP a new line wouldn't necessarily solve a problem with that cable. Mine had to be replaced due to abrasion by tree branches.
I realise a different pair would be completely different connections at the pole and the premises.
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Hi my dropwire is black cable goes into a torpedo joint comes out from joint grey something like speaker wire with 2 single thick conductor going to another joint then 6 wires from yhat joint to master socket....looked on google said its old type of wiring and not twisted and prone to induced intereference.I
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grey something like speaker wire
Dropwire 3, no engineers favourite. 
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No, the 'norm' was two pair, dropwire 10.
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Right checked there is three wires comming from outside grey or three two are connected from box to a which has 6 wires 2 are conected to other 2 outside with one spare.
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grey something like speaker wire
Dropwire 3, no engineers favourite.
Thusly? http://www.britishtelephones.com/gpo/pictures/cabled...
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Username?
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grey something like speaker wire
Dropwire 3, no engineers favourite.
Thusly? http://www.britishtelephones.com/gpo/pictures/cabled...
Thats similar to mine but mine has 3 wire dont know what that is used for maybe for earth purpose really dont know and goes into 6smaller wires I.e orange blue white etc to socket so if there is only 2 main wire with 1 spare I really cant see how they can use for another isp to be installed on that drop cable they surely have to put in a new cable to pole.already got stung by bt , with no fault found although my attenuation has 12 db more than 15 doors away and I know both houses use same cabinet although mine is 15 doors further from cabinet..
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so if there is only 2 main wire with 1 spare I really cant see how they can use for another isp to be installed on that drop cable they surely have to put in a new cable to pole No, they just join the exchange end of the other pair (via the cab) to the other ISP's network (either via hardware or by software).
EDIT: Are you user toforseven as well? Otherwise what's he on about?
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Edited by XRaySpeX (Mon 11-Nov-13 21:49:14)
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Yep, well the two outside ones.
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I'm not quite clear. If I have a 2nd spare pair in the dropwire to my house, how far back does it continue? To the pole, the cab or the exchange?
I know when I had a 2nd line installed the eng said the 2nd line was already there and all he had to do was join it up. After he installed the 2nd master socket I then had a 2nd phone #.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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Your dropwire goes to the distribution point. At the distribution point, the pairs in use (and some formerly in use) are joined to pairs in multicore cable running to the cabinet.
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And the pairs never in use terminate there? My spare was never in use previously.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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the black box atop the pole has connector strips, the unused wires in the drop wire won't be attached to them I guess.
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So this post is not yours? http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/general/t/4281717-g...
No thats not my post, whats the point my post are candy123 and mine dont have box outside only black torpedo joint goes into speaker wire then to small white box then 6 wiresin cable to master socket.
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