BT Landline Increase

So BT are once again increasing their Monopoly Rip Off prices.
Suppose it helps pay for the Football.
Maybe Jeremy Corbyn should have a look.
(Joke)

You can get your landline from other providers not just BT Retail

In reply to a post by vivaciti:

You can get your landline from other providers not just BT Retail

Yep, indeed you can; in most cases a few pence cheaper than BT. However explain to me why other ISPs increase their line rental in the shadow of BTs price hike.

Vivaciti's landline prices are wayyyy cheaper than BT Consumer. Several pounds, not a few pence. More in line with a smallish markup on the Wholesale Line Rental price.

Given the low running costs of line rental from a provider's point of view, more the sort of figure all honest CPs should be charging.

I can't im afraid ours has not gone up for some years now, I cant speak for the others, although a profit does have to be made.

In reply to a post by helpoort:

So BT are once again increasing their Monopoly Rip Off prices.
Suppose it helps pay for the Football.
Maybe Jeremy Corbyn should have a look.
(Joke)

Silly mid on, I reckon. (joke).

In reply to a post by vivaciti:

I can't im afraid ours has not gone up for some years now, I cant speak for the others, although a profit does have to be made.

One thing is I DO HATE PROFIT by the company. Greedy!

So do you think companies should not make a profit? Tell me do you work for nothing?

If I own the business for service provider as I will not overcharge to the customers as I will make my company as a non-profit!

To be fair your line rental @ £11.40 per month is very good compare to BT & PN line rental @ £17.99 & £16.99 per month.

Yeah but there's profit and profiteering. Which one do you think BTs increase comes under? I know which.

Caley.

I was referring to our charges we are not interested in what others charge, if anything it's better for us if they charge more.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

If I own the business for service provider as I will not overcharge to the customers as I will make my company as a non-profit!

And where will you get the money to invest in new technology? If BT was a non-profit do you really think they'd be able to raise the billions of pounds needed to upgrade their network?

Take your point but I reckon most companies charge what they think the market will stand not what is a fair price. Works in all forms of profit with, I'm sure, all companies especially BT. Some people are under the impression BT is the master company and all I and a lot of others see is a company that is master at price rises and extracting cash from their customers giving as little as possible in return especially customer service.

Caley.

There are the USO obligations imposed on BT Retail, those do not excuse any excessive price rises, but the price of BT Basic which is below the wholesale cost (£5 per month versus £9 per month if I recall) will have some impact.

Not aware of the volume of people on BT Basic but it will factor in, and don't forget to factor in the cost/value that any call bundle represents.

In reply to a post by Andrue:

If BT was a non-profit do you really think they'd be able to raise the billions of pounds needed to upgrade their network?

Corbyn's back pocket !

In reply to a post by vivaciti:

I can't im afraid ours has not gone up for some years now, I cant speak for the others, although a profit does have to be made.

I think it's the ongoing thing where the broadband usage is going up but people still resent paying for their unlimited services and are up in arms whenever they can't get full speed. The money to fund the usage has to come from somewhere, people think broadband must cost next to nothing, so line rental it is.

I remember the old labour party under gordon brown want to charge every household of 50p tax on the line rental for investiment for superfast fibre broadband around uk. But, at the end they failure it, didn't work out.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Corbyn's back pocket !


His plans are:

Go back to Britsh Rail network
Go back to British Gas
Go back to British Airways
Go back to British Telecom

everythings go back to the old day in 1980's.

You forgot British Leyland...

But they did plan to get 2 Mbps to everyone by 2012, a tall order as with 18 months to go nothing had been to done to meet this task and back in 2010 a lot more people were under the 2 Mbps threshold.

I think it has been said on here before, but its marketing to a point, they sell broadband at below cost price so have to make their money elsewhere so the line rental it is as that price is in the small print along with the cost of a call outside the allowance. Then everyone says cool that's cheap these smaller providers are just so expensive for broadband!!

Any chance of a round up of the line rental prices from ISPs?
When the applied from and any published forthcoming price rises.
I very much suspect that every price rise follows shortly after BT announces their new tariff

Just the current round of changes missing from the chart at http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6772-openreach-li...

Can update if there is interest in doing so.

What you don't show there tough is (possibly a single average) line for the independents, such as vavaciti in this thread, AAISP, Aquiss, uno, Pulse8 and no doubt a few others easily found.

If someone has their data on pricing going back a few years can add them, and produce a prettier graph with more lines and colours.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

everythings go back to the old day in 1980's.

Er, 1970s actually. The 1980s were when Maggie was at her peak getting rid of stale institutions like those.

Line Rental are going up again in 2016 after BT signed a new deal with BT Sports to coverage of the Ashes Series in Australia 2017. Worth £80 million pound deal.

Got a source for that, or speculation.

BT Retail Line Rental generally has a once a year increase, so even if there was no Ashes signing would probably have gone up.

Everyone presumes the sports rights are paid by voice line rental, ignoring the decent sized sum of income from pubs and clubs and those individuals subscribing over Sky satellite, or taking a mobile SIM from BT too.

If we don't want BT Retail doing TV, they should also not do mobile, cloud storage, free WiFi, free routers and a myriad of other features.

There is no source for that as I were expecting BT to rise line rental next year as pure to my guess knowedge.

But it's Openreach/Wholesale who develop the new technologies, isn't it? Isn't there supposed to be complete separation (ie no-cross subsidies) between BT Retail and the rest of the group?

Interested in reading your various comments.
Having a NON BT LANDLINE, in the event of a line fault who does one contact.
I presume one contacts the provider, who in turn contacts BT and so it goes on.
A guess on my part. I stand corrected and would very much like to be informed that there would be NO DIFFERENCE in time scale for action regarding the fault.
If that reassurance is given, then I would consider changing from BT.
Still fancy Jeremy though!!!!!!!!!!

The same, so you contact your provider who in turn raises it with Openreach, the same as if your with BT Retail, you contact BT retail who in turn raise it with Openreach there is no preferential treatment so faults take exactly the same amount of time no matter who you are with.
A residential fault is only dealt with in office hours regardless on who you are with unless you have a different care level.

Sorry Andrew. While some of your comments are well meant I cannot look on BT other than a money grabbing conglomerate whose mission in the business world it to take take take. Yes no doubt they are forced to make some consideration to the less well of but it's not by choice. BT hold no illusions for me I'm afraid.

Caley.

No different to any other large company really, some large firms manage to retain an image of caring, but that generally only lasts while the profit levels keep the board and shareholders happy.

Man after my own heart Andrew. Well said.

Caley.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

If someone has their data on pricing going back a few years can add them, and produce a prettier graph with more lines and colours.

We launched our landline services on June 1st 2012. Our monthly charges have remained the same (£13.00 inc VAT for consumer version) and (£12.00 ex VAT for business version).

Our residential has been £11.40 inc VAT now since 2009 with business at £12.50 + VAT since early 2014.

I take it as both ISP doesn't have Line Rental Saver option?

Aquiss Limited

Vivaciti Broadband

What about charges for stuff like caller ID and auto number withheld, ex directory, and use of override providers ?

I don't know about those two - I expect you could find it on their websites , but Pulse8 is:

- Line £13;
- Basic 1571 free;
- Caller display £1;
- ex directory free.

I don't know about override providers, but why would you want them?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I take it as both ISP doesn't have Line Rental Saver option?

We don't no, but given our £13.00 per month, based on a 30 day contract, is cheaper than many, if not all, Line Rental Saver options anyway, what would be the point?

In reply to a post by aquiss:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I take it as both ISP doesn't have Line Rental Saver option?

We don't no, but given our £13.00 per month, based on a 30 day contract, is cheaper than many, if not all, Line Rental Saver options anyway, what would be the point?

Line Rental Saver schemes are a scam! They must be making a decent profit out of people on these schemes anyway, right? Or it wouldn't be offered. They can comfortably afford to run them. so why put the price up for people who want the option of being able to switch providers whenever they want?

It's an anti-competitive trick being sold as a benefit to the customer to get a discount.

I much prefer an honest priovider that doesn't inflate prices and doesn't lock people in to lengthy contracts.

In reply to a post by csimon:

Line Rental Saver schemes are a scam!

"Scam" is not the correct word here. If you don't like the terms of the deal don't sign up and stay on monthly line rental.