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Standard User wingco1
(legend) Mon 05-Sep-16 17:09:52
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For a migration from one ISP to another? Is it just in the exchange, or would work be done in the roadside cabinet?

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(deleted) Mon 05-Sep-16 17:36:10
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Depends on service being migrated and possibly which providers are involved
Standard User wingco1
(legend) Mon 05-Sep-16 18:02:25
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From Plusnet to either Arnold&Andrews or Zen.


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Standard User cymru123
(regular) Mon 05-Sep-16 18:17:21
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With A&A it also depends on which wholesaler they place you on, as they use both BTW and TT (if available and depending on which is performing better in the locality) so additional work may be needed if they place you on TT.
Standard User wingco1
(legend) Mon 05-Sep-16 18:43:21
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As a matter of interest, if I were moved to TT which I understand is their business package. Could it affect my Line Sync speed?

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 05-Sep-16 18:53:50
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Are you talking about ADSLx or FTTC? It makes a difference to the fundamentals of your OP smile.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 05-Sep-16 18:54:15
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In reply to a post by wingco1:
As a matter of interest, if I were moved to TT which I understand is their business package. Could it affect my Line Sync speed?


ADSL2+ or VDSL2? If the former then AAISP now offer a 3db SNR profile on TT based short lines which could give you better ADSL2+ speeds:
https://aastatus.net/2172

If VDSL2 then your sync speed should be more or less the same.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 05-Sep-16 18:56:57
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I think the choice between BTW or TalkTalk services depends mainly on the AAISP product chosen by the customer. Not on the relative performance of the two in the individual customer's area.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Standard User wingco1
(legend) Mon 05-Sep-16 23:16:10
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Sorry everyone. I should have said FTTC.

I would be looking to go from an 80/20 to an 80/20. I was wondering if a TT 80/20 could give a better line sync than a BT 80/20.

Edited by wingco1 (Mon 05-Sep-16 23:18:55)

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(deleted) Mon 05-Sep-16 23:44:57
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No. The connection will come from the same Openrech kit in the cabinet.

The only difference being the router in your home if you use the CP provided kit.
Standard User wingco1
(legend) Tue 06-Sep-16 00:23:17
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Cheers.

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 06-Sep-16 00:27:51
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With normal big ISPs you may (I'm partly guessing) find TalkTalk slower that a BTW-based one, as I believe TT Retail request a higher stability level than BT/Plusnet/Sky.

With small or niche ones using TT Business Wholesale I get the feeling it is down to the retailer to request which level of the available three they want, just as they can with BTW, and that gets passed through to Openreach.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
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Standard User bobble_bob
(knowledge is power) Tue 06-Sep-16 21:00:45
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
With normal big ISPs you may (I'm partly guessing) find TalkTalk slower that a BTW-based one, as I believe TT Retail request a higher stability level than BT/Plusnet/Sky.


By default TT lines set the noise margin to 12db, where i think BTW set it to 6db? And as you know this will effect sync speed. Of course this can be changed either by the user if the ISP have a control panel function, or by a quick phonecall. But it can catch people out who dont realise
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(deleted) Tue 06-Sep-16 21:12:22
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In reply to a post by bobble_bob:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
With normal big ISPs you may (I'm partly guessing) find TalkTalk slower that a BTW-based one, as I believe TT Retail request a higher stability level than BT/Plusnet/Sky.


By default TT lines set the noise margin to 12db, where i think BTW set it to 6db? And as you know this will effect sync speed. Of course this can be changed either by the user if the ISP have a control panel function, or by a quick phonecall. But it can catch people out who dont realise


Not relevant on FTTC, it's all Openreach controlled.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 06-Sep-16 21:44:01
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You are thinking ADSL2+, bobble. FTTC is as I described - a required stability setting is part of the order for the FTTC service.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57825/13835kbps @ 600m. - BQM
Standard User bobble_bob
(knowledge is power) Tue 06-Sep-16 21:47:42
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Ah yes, must have missed the post where he said FTTC
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 06-Sep-16 21:56:25
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In reply to a post by lee111s:
In reply to a post by bobble_bob:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
With normal big ISPs you may (I'm partly guessing) find TalkTalk slower that a BTW-based one, as I believe TT Retail request a higher stability level than BT/Plusnet/Sky.


By default TT lines set the noise margin to 12db, where i think BTW set it to 6db? And as you know this will effect sync speed. Of course this can be changed either by the user if the ISP have a control panel function, or by a quick phonecall. But it can catch people out who dont realise


Not relevant on FTTC, it's all Openreach controlled.
As I said lee, AIUI TalkTalk Retail request a higher stability setting than most BT Wholesale-based ISPs.

See this page.

TalkTalk Business Wholesale quite possibly forward whatever their resellers request, but I don't know.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57825/13835kbps @ 600m. - BQM

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 06-Sep-16 22:19:36)

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(deleted) Tue 06-Sep-16 22:34:40
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Interesting smile

Another reason I would't touch them with a mucky stick!
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 06-Sep-16 23:33:40
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Which wouldn't you touch?

I know very well two people on TT Retail, both ADSL2+, and both very happy and have been for many years.

Then the reports we have on these forums about TalkTalk Business Wholesale based ISPs are almost all highly complimentary.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57825/13835kbps @ 600m. - BQM
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