Don't get me started on the East Midlands. There is FTTC in very few places here. Market Deeping, Stamford, and Peterborough coming soon. That's about it.

Totally!

Just because people don't consumer TerraBytes of data, does not mean they would not appreciate the ability to download what they do faster.

indeed. Provisioning them with 100 kbits/s each instead of 50 would probably help, rather than changing the peak speed of the access line technology, perhaps ?

In reply to a post by yarwell:

Just because people don't consumer TerraBytes of data, does not mean they would not appreciate the ability to download what they do faster.

indeed. Provisioning them with 100 kbits/s each instead of 50 would probably help, rather than changing the peak speed of the access line technology, perhaps ?

Yeah. I think there's two things the UK really needs right now

1.A target minimum of 5Mb/s(*) peak throughput for everyone
2.The minimum is achieved 90% of the time and is never worse than 80%.

Unfortunately I suspect the economics for that are worse than they are for yet another speed boost to the chosen few :-/

(*)Historians for this board will notice that I've raised it again in line with my policy(**).
(**)Maybe that should be rule three - target throughput is on an escalator

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Just because people don't consumer TerraBytes of data, does not mean they would not appreciate the ability to download what they do faster.

The report that is the subject of this thread suggests that you are wrong as it concludes that there is little to no interest in faster internet. Of course that may just be a case of once burned twice shy.

I have no idea of pattern of use of the average user and I strongly suspect that you don't either. Come to that there probably isn't even an average user. There are millions that sit swapping chat on Facebook all night which is possibly the most common usage and hardly speed sensitive.

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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Just because people don't consumer TerraBytes of data, does not mean they would not appreciate the ability to download what they do faster.

The report that is the subject of this thread suggests that you are wrong as it concludes that there is little to no interest in faster internet. Of course that may just be a case of once burned twice shy.

I have no idea of pattern of use of the average user and I strongly suspect that you don't either. Come to that there probably isn't even an average user. There are millions that sit swapping chat on Facebook all night which is possibly the most common usage and hardly speed sensitive.

No he is correct.There will be a time lag between the availability ogf HS Broadband and mass takeup of it as intially there will be almost no services that need it. Untill you have a pretty large installed base of HS Broadband companies will not devlop procts that need it

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At least according to bean counters / management consultants PWC at http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/communications/review/featu...

Points to an ongoing digital divide and a lack of appetite for paying for higher speeds.

Seeing people complaining about being asked to pay £18.50 / month for Virgin Media's 30Mbit service says it all really.

Thanks to Ofcom ramming cheap LLU down our throats with their regulation practices there is no appetite to pay the kind of prices that are needed to give a return on investment.

I find the business case for FTTC is precarious unless BT are planning on having it around for a long time, and by that I mean over a decade.

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I'm completely sold on the idea of future proofing...

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I agree with everything you've written. I also to an extent agree with Chrysalis. I think that there is value in building a network ahead of an actual product to use it.

Unfortunately I'm a realist. I can fully understand why no-one wants to spend vast sums of money without any idea of what kind of return they can get. Maybe ten years ago when nearly everyone(*) was being stupid with money but right now it's a none-starter. We're being forced to cut back on things we know we need so expecting people to spend vast amounts on things they don't even know they need is not going to happen.

(*)Not me, ironically.

Unfortenatly thats not how the tech world works.

1 - Product comes to market, almost no demand except by early adopters.
2 - Eventually costs of providing the product come down and eventually takeup goes up with lower retail cost. Whilst this is happening a new premium low takeup product is in the pipeline.

Its a ever lasting thing and there is always a product out there that hardly anyone buys but will take off. Do you think mobile phones took off overnight? 3g, adsl, hdtv etc.

Are france telecom stupid for doing a 40% FTTP rollout?

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So BBC iPlayer (which is both vod and live) is a minority interest?

I'd say it's catch-up rather than VoD and how many people would be prepared to pay for it?

Anyway it doesn't seem to need high-speed broadband. Just a half-way decent one.

and there is people who haevnt got that half decent broadband due to poor local loop tech.

arent you the one who says you want HDTV VOD before will use it? That wont happen until there is enough people with FTTx connectivity. I expect will happen within 2 years when much more of the country has BT's FTTC and especially when sky have customers on FTTC.

yeah I moan about leicester, and its even worse in derby and nottingham. The entire part of the country is thread bare on deployment.