I assume you mean the same original exchange? Or are you suggesting the voice also somehow gets routed to the FTTC head-end exchange if not the original one?

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 23-Sep-13 18:00:33)

Do you know which exchange you are connected to, remember if it is outside of PN's "low cost" area you'll be paying more than the headline grabbing "from" prices.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Full LLU (MPF) is where the copper from the exchange to the premises carries both voice and ADSLx from the same supplier's MSAN. With FTTC the voice and VDSL2 signals are split off at the FTTC cabinet, with the voice getting back to the exchange via the old copper and the FTTC being handed over to the ISP via a GEA link at possibly a different exchange...

So there still could be some confusion with the word "unbundled" when it comes to FTTC provisions: perhaps one could say with FTTC line rental and BB packages provided by the likes of Sky and TT the local loop is not actually unbundled in the manner formally associated with full LLU?

The same exchange as where the old copper ends.

In the 'Full LLU' FTTC case does the old copper connect to the BT PTSN and is then led off to the ISP's DSLAM or does it connect directly to the ISP's DSLAM?

I would have thought the latter, by drawing an analogy with either LLU ADSL where the old copper goes directly ISP's DSLAM and. in the case of Partial LLU, is then led off to the BT PTSN.

I don't think it's quite so simple .

The point is the reason on all ADSLx that the copper goes to the DSLAM/MSAN is that it is there the combining and splitting of the voice and broadband signals takes place. On FTTC that function is carried out on the FTTC cabinet DSLAM.

I'd be fairly sure that on BT Wholesale FTTC the copper gets removed from the exchange DSLAM/MSAN at some point, though not necessarily immediately the user migrates away from ADSLx. (I think I raised this a few months ago and one of the engineers said it might be when ports on the MSAN are needed).

On what was an MPF circuit I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get moved to WLR off the DSLAM PDQ, as the port is more likely to be needed for MPF.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get moved to WLR off the DSLAM PDQ, as the port is more likely to be needed for MPF.

I was talking about Full LLU (MPF) providers only. Surely even when providing FTTC BB, Sky & TT keep the phone on their MPF network, not WLR?

Don't know.

Seeing as WLR is an Openreach product, not a BTW one .... Need to check the pricing.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 24-Sep-13 00:43:52)

its not a good idea to bring that up again.

You offered no rational explanational for your comments on that other than to suggest I was been bonkers.

Silver traffic was squeezed, its there as plain as day to see. But another issue is the number of complaints on plusnet's forums and the people messaging me (who seemed too scared to speak out on here).

Then we have the mysterious peak time latency spikes that have no official explanation put to them.

I also happen to have access to some plusnet lines as well now on my own exchange, so also have some first hand comparisons.

I have never claimed plusnet is X amount slower but you do seem very overly defensive of the isp, you are only a customer, but do act at times as if you need to be their PR man or something.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Then we have the mysterious peak time latency spikes that have no official explanation put to them.

What "mysterious peak time latency spikes"? There was an issue, months ago, which was extensively investigated and fixed. AFAIK there isn't now, other than a very slight increase in average latency in the evening peak hours.

It's hard to argue against someone with a deluded axe to grind without appearing to be grinding axes ourselves.

There's just a chance that some people will understand that the presence of PlusNet information about how their network is performing is a sign of belief in their system, whereas the absence of any information whatsoever about other ISPs suggests they have something to hide.

That step seems to be beyond the person we are currently dealing with, but one prospective customer at least has picked up on it.

It's not as if we are saying PlusNet couldn't do better. Any ISP could vastly overprovide capacity if they wished to go out of business, but I'm not aware of any that currently do so.

iOS7 release necessitated a short-term change to non-realtime prioritisation. So what? Did anyone suffer?

What happened on other ISPs? No information presented by the nay-sayer(s). Just non-stop denigration.