Hi guys, yes I am an idiot.. senior moment... i meant the local exchange has NOT been unbundled... i am misunderstanding my negatives... yep... I understand your confusion now... the exchange has not been unbundled

/facepalm

Right - in that case it is probably a Market 1 exchange. If you put your phone number into this checker it tells you, somewhere down in the right hand bottom area.

Market 1 exchanges are £7pm more expensive on PlusNet than the banner prices you see on their website . If you weren't aware of that, then you are now!

(A good job I asked about the "unbundled?)

Sky and talktalk fibre services are considered full llu as voice is unbundled

Thanks! That what I've been trying to says for ages.

Indeed, as long as the phone is unbundled then it must be 'Full LLU', whether Fibre or ADSL, as no one unbundles phone alone.

There's a nice paradox .

You mean of course, by the same ISP.

So a bundled package by said ISP is fully unbundled .

How will people know when ordering a fibre and line rental package whether it's unbundled or not?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

You mean of course, by the same ISP.

Of course, that was the context of this discussion. It also follows from the fact that it is only ISPs who unbundle phone.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

So a bundled package by said ISP is fully unbundled .

Now you are using 'bundled' in 2 different senses, out of context, or I can't scratch the surface of your sarcasm.

How do you know now when ordering a telephone and broadband package?

I guess 1st of all you need to know who are the Full LLU ISP. TT, Sky and C&W? + Zen coming?

Then if it is directly from TT or Sky then phone will be unbundled. If it is thro' a reseller on any of them it may or may not be unbundled and you will have to ask. "Does landline remain WLR?".