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bigger problem is that if we farm it out because we can't make it!

It's that we won't, not that we can't. Companies want to maximise shareholder value, and not value to society. People want to buy the cheapest, no matter if it's inferior as they don't understand technology and would rather have cheap [censored], rather than risk getting expensive [censored].

As a society it's about time we seriously consider our economic model, we cannot live on a services industry forever. We need to ensure this is done now else it won't end well for us.

I doubt we have the ability to make the 5g stuff the chinese make,we've had no reason to develop it as it was going to be bought in,what would we do backward engineer the Huawei stuff?

My point was regarding our services led economy, not about 5G eqipment specifically. 5G is a drop in the ocean. We need more primary and secondary industry here in the UK. Invest in the North would be a start giving incentives to business to locate and/or expand. Although, the main issue that always thwarts this is the requirement for a long term view as it'll take 20 years to get the supporting education talent and robust supply chain to entrench these industries. Hopefully this virus has shown people we need to improve our ability to be relatively self sufficient.

How long will the infamous "Five Eyes" last?

It's been going since during WWII and are we going to jeopardise it now?

It's a shame, it's a force that is hard to beat, even the Chinese find it more than difficult, to the point of almost giving up.

The whole point of FVEY, is to beat threats like Huawei.
If it crumbles now, just because we can't find a solution to buying Huawei kit, that would be beyond sad.
It would also open those countries who let Huawei in, to being forced out and having their National Security rating plummet and to being expelled from FVEY.
ONLY the US so far has made a solid stand against Huawei.

We used to lead the bunch in FVEY, arguably now the US do, let's not drop any further!

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It's that we won't, not that we can't. Companies want to maximise shareholder value, and not value to society. People want to buy the cheapest, no matter if it's inferior as they don't understand technology and would rather have cheap [censored], rather than risk getting expensive [censored].

As a society it's about time we seriously consider our economic model, we cannot live on a services industry forever. We need to ensure this is done now else it won't end well for us.

I doubt we have the ability to make the 5g stuff the chinese make,we've had no reason to develop it as it was going to be bought in,what would we do backward engineer the Huawei stuff?

My point was regarding our services led economy, not about 5G eqipment specifically. 5G is a drop in the ocean. We need more primary and secondary industry here in the UK. Invest in the North would be a start giving incentives to business to locate and/or expand. Although, the main issue that always thwarts this is the requirement for a long term view as it'll take 20 years to get the supporting education talent and robust supply chain to entrench these industries. Hopefully this virus has shown people we need to improve our ability to be relatively self sufficient.

Mrs thatcher made it her goal for the UK to be an economy based on finance not manufacturing,it's odd that the most successful economies seem to be more on the manufacturing side,if your one of the few economies making what the world wants or needs the world has no choice(or little choice) in who they buy from.
Re the 5g stuff,if a US company made the equipment would you trust them not to spy on us with some embeded spyware?After all google,apple,amazon aren't noted for not doing that

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How long will the infamous "Five Eyes" last?

It's been going since during WWII and are we going to jeopardise it now?

It's a shame, it's a force that is hard to beat, even the Chinese find it more than difficult, to the point of almost giving up.

The whole point of FVEY, is to beat threats like Huawei.
If it crumbles now, just because we can't find a solution to buying Huawei kit, that would be beyond sad.
It would also open those countries who let Huawei in, to being forced out and having their National Security rating plummet and to being expelled from FVEY.
ONLY the US so far has made a solid stand against Huawei.

We used to lead the bunch in FVEY, arguably now the US do, let's not drop any further!

the US stand is probably more to do with trumps trade war than any intelligence threat

Gary

Huawei's kit is the cheapest but also the best ! They also have several manufacturing ( assembly) sites in the UK. ( ETL and Nokia kit are packed full of Chinese components as well) I was always impressed by how it worked out of the box for the first time unlike many EU/US products and was interoperable with other kit using the same standards. Often EU/US kit didn't conform to the standard so wouldn't interoperate with other manufacturers kit

That's sooo true, personally, I have a Huawei phone for personal use, their welcome to pictures of my old dog and me if they want them LOL
But as for the phone, it's great, it just updates and works

I'm not in a position to know how "troublesome" this equipment could be or may not be, but clearly there are those in positions to look into this that do.

Personally I wish we had our own companies at the forefront, with high tech manufacturing on our soil too - but sadly that's not the case. Equally though, whichever side of the debate you stand, their should be scrutiny imo when foreign equipment is running at the core of our infrastruture.

Serious question but whats the difference between 5G being Huawei and thousands of BT street cabinets and thousands of modems and routers currently being used, made by Huawei, today.

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Serious question but whats the difference between 5G being Huawei and thousands of BT street cabinets and thousands of modems and routers currently being used, made by Huawei, today.

Well I assume by it's nature the first thing that comes to my mind, is the "portability" of mobile signals and the way we can practically all be "monitored" on our personal whereabouts and more -as opposed to that of fixed broadband.

I'm being cynical, but I think the UK Gov (and the US Gov via GCHQ signals sharing) feel only they are allowed to monitor UK comms.