In reply to a post by Alex1M6:

Is that with the stock cooler? My bros PC also has an i7-3770k and it also doesn't get very warm, but he is using a ThermalTake Frio (that thing is huge!).

It is with the stock cooler but I use the Asus Sabretooth Z77 mobo with all the fancy thermal armor and heat distribution stuff.

I also just run it at the normal 3.5Ghz, the locked down one was only £5 less and it is locked to 3.4GHz

So even if I don't want to overclock I still get a better peformance for only a small amount extra.

Windows 8 is also fine for mouse and keyboard driven computers. It is foolish to put Windows 7 on when you can take advantage of the improvements of Windows 8.

I really do question the wisdom of getting a brand new PC and putting Windows 7 on it. I can deal with not upgrading to Windows 8, but putting an old version of an operating system on a new PC is barmy.

I suspect most people bashing Windows 8 have never used it at all, not used it a lot, or are incompetent and did something to the installation and putting the slowness or problems down to Windows 8 rather than their own foolishness.

Professionally, I won't use or trust the services of any IT pro who thinks Windows 7 is better than 8 anymore on modern hardware, it just shows a total lack of their knowledge and computer experience. I was giving some free advice to a local organization with several hundred computers the other week and told them straight away I would not be messing about creating Windows 7 images for their systems when they would support Windows 8 perfectly well.

Edited by Pipexer (Thu 02-May-13 21:19:44)

XP Pro here on a fairly old mobo boots from hibernation to a useable browser within 15 seconds. I don't really see bootup times as an important measure though. If it took 5 minutes to boot it wouldn't worry me...... It's what it does when it has booted that's important.

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

Windows 8 is also fine for mouse and keyboard driven computers. It is foolish to put Windows 7 on when you can take advantage of the improvements of Windows 8.

I really do question the wisdom of getting a brand new PC and putting Windows 7 on it. I can deal with not upgrading to Windows 8, but putting an old version of an operating system on a new PC is barmy.

I suspect most people bashing Windows 8 have never used it at all, not used it a lot, or are incompetent and did something to the installation and putting the slowness or problems down to Windows 8 rather than their own foolishness.

Professionally, I won't use or trust the services of any IT pro who thinks Windows 7 is better than 8 anymore on modern hardware, it just shows a total lack of their knowledge and computer experience. I was giving some free advice to a local organization with several hundred computers the other week and told them straight away I would not be messing about creating Windows 7 images for their systems when they would support Windows 8 perfectly well.

I disagree with your comments calling everyone barmy and foolish. Not all software is compatable with the latest Windows Operating Systems.

Other business's and myself are still using Windows XP on new hardware. Even in compatability mode, some of the design programs and CAD/CAM software will not run correctly on anything newer and communicate with the CNC machines.

The motherboard manufacturers know this, which is why they still provide Windows XP drivers for the latest products.

If it works with Windows 7 it should work with Windows 8. If it doesn't work with either and it is line of business and required for legacy hardware devices then I think that falls under "we'll let you off" if it is vital to the business, but any business that is stable and sensible will be looking at ways to update their software.

You do realise eventually your workplace is going to have to upgrade away from XP and try and update all their line of business applications etc. It is not possible to run and manage an enterprise network with computers which are no longer supported!

It is an incredible waste installing XP on modern i3+ systems, XP holds back the performance so much, it just wasn't designed with such powerful systems in mind. I am sure you know this though, but it won't be long before you start to have to upgrade, even if it is a year or two past the cut off date of next year.

You may find that it wont be long before motherboard manufacturers etc stop providing drivers for XP.

Is the fact that many application will not run under Win8 and improvement?

Why do you think MS are continuing to sell Win7 in vast quantities? Maybe because they now of the problems millions of users are having with Win8.

If you have an application that runs well on XP and Win7 but with require a £400/user upgrade if Win8 is selected, how would you deal with 50 PCs that need to run that application?

And on my Laptop running XP Pro takes just under 20 seconds from hibernate. It may even be faster if I chose different power management scheme.

I would think of buying i5 unless you need power for multi-threaded programs.

I would consider that an Asus or Gigabyte z77 motherboard is the way ahead just now but the newest lga1150 boards will be on the market this year together with the newest offerings from Intel. If you wait a little then you either get the latest and greatest or maybe a discount on last year's tech.

A z77 and K series cpu combo would be capable of overclocking later if you felt the need at some point in time. It would likely have a better re-sale too if that counts for you.

DO buy an SSD. If you have qualms about the longevity of such then buy a Samsung pro or the older 830. For OS and one or two oft used programs a 128 Gig drive plus a separate HDD for your data and less used programs is a good fit but obviouslt if you can then get a 256 for a nicer experience.

DO buy the best quality PSU you can afford, preferably rated at twice the normal running wattage of your computer. something like a seasonic .

If you are best described as just a user then you will like Win 8 but if you like to adjust things and have a tendency to be found in control panel or deeper still in the operating system stick with Win 7 because everything can be found easily with no learning curve. I got fed up struggling after a week and reverted to 7. I still struggle with my boy's laptop that has 8 on it but then again I only get to use it when he asks me to resolve a problem (thank goodness)

All new operating systems have a learning curve, but Windows 8's is particularly steep. It has a menu system that forces you change screens to launch an app and you often have to work harder to perform the same tasks as in Windows 7. Though you can�t solve all these issues on your own because they say Start button is gone for good ........ That said 8.1 will be with us soon and 8.2 may even give the choice of UI or desktop.

If you want proof that desktop applications are second-class citizens in Windows 8, look no further than the Switcher menu where you'll find separate thumbnails for all of your open Windows 8 applications. The entire desktop gets just one thumbnail, though, no matter how many different programs are running on it.

if you want to find to a program that's running on the desktop, you must navigate from the Switcher menu back to the desktop and look at the windows or taskbar there, a huge waste of time and mental energy.

I did find you can Alt-Tab to see stuff though.

I write all this as an enthusiast and, for hardware certainly, am prepared to qualify any comment here.

On the software front lets just say: I have Linux machines too. I prefer 7 and I will move to 8 when I can elect to not use the current UI

Edited by deleted (Thu 02-May-13 22:22:43)

What problems would these millions of users be having?

Until you can prove to me that Windows 8 is suffering real issues, more than Windows 7, then that is not a valid point.

Also, I am curious as to what applications run fine on Windows 7 yet don't work fine on Windows 8 (of the same architecture).

There seems to be a very "applications-centric" mindset going on here, this is of course fine in theory, but in practice until you or the application vendor comes up with an operating system of their own, then I'm afraid it is tough - if you don't use the latest OS, then face the consequences that come with it, that includes reduced security, reliability, manageability, etc.

From a personal users point of view, that is fine, I don't personally hold something against a user for using an out of date operating system, I just think it is a bit silly. For a company or organization to continue to use something outdated, well then it doesn't give a very good impression, and if let's say they transmitted a virus to all their customers or had a breach of security it would not look very good if it turned out that it was partly because they did not invest in a modern operating system with adequate security - that could be classed as negligence.

Edited by Pipexer (Thu 02-May-13 22:44:49)

READ THE POST. An application not running on Win8 is a good enough problem. £320,000 to fix the problem is a real issue.