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Standard User Ewok
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 01-Sep-19 11:35:29
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[re: jchamier] [link to this post]
 
Hmm my phone is from 2015, S8+ so that might explain why my top speeds seem to go around 150mb when I am in a good location on EE 4g. Think I have had up to about 175 though. Wonder what I will get when I upgrade next April and start looking at 5g instead. Probably end up with less with my luck!

Hopefully by then there are some really good 5g routers around that will give better performance than a phone, not worse. Otherwise I will not be ditching my landline for 5g.

Also looking at switching to Three instead of EE (for phone and home broadband if I can get the signal) due to the huge chunk of 5g spectrum they have which should mean Three are to 5g what EE currently are to 4g, maybe even more if they get it right.

Edited by Ewok (Sun 01-Sep-19 11:36:22)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 01-Sep-19 11:47:43
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A slight problem with 5G phones is that the best for signal handling is likely to be Huawei, but they are unlikely to have Android. Unless Trump loses in November 2020.

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Sep-19 12:13:26
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Wonder what I will get when I upgrade next April and start looking at 5g instead. Probably end up with less with my luck!

5G is in very early days. Current chipsets are version 1. There is a lot of development happening, and I'm going to wait for a while. Same thing happened with 4G, the first chipsets were very different to what we have today.

Qualcomm and Huawei seem to be the chipset vendors to watch.

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Sep-19 12:14:37
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A slight problem with 5G phones is that the best for signal handling is likely to be Huawei, but they are unlikely to have Android. Unless Trump loses in November 2020.

Qualcomm modem chips are also good. Apple are going back (after paying up!) to Qualcomm for 5G, but this years models won't be 5G from Apple, looking at around Sept 2020.

On Huawei, this is relevant:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/29/huawei_ditc...

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Standard User Ewok
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 01-Sep-19 12:27:33
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yeah I wouldn't get Huawei, It'll probably be an S11+ unless there is something clearly better at the time. That should be 2nd generation of 5g chips plus a lot more chance of getting a signal by then (next April).

I am trying to use cellmapper at the moment to see 4g masts around me and judge what provider is best, I can't see many masts at all unless I am doing it wrong. I am sure there are a bunch of masts on top of the post office at the end of the road but nothing is showing up there on any provider I have selected. I am just looking for a way to judge which 4g provider is going to be best and use the same method for 5g in a few months so I don't need to try every provider just to find the best one (and so I can see if there are ANY 5g masts nearby that would be worth trying because lets face it the providers signal maps are just useless).
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Sep-19 12:43:02
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I am trying to use cellmapper at the moment to see 4g masts around me and judge what provider is best, I can't see many masts at all unless I am doing it wrong. I am sure there are a bunch of masts on top of the post office at the end of the road but nothing is showing up there on any provider I have selected. I am just looking for a way to judge which 4g provider is going to be best and use the same method for 5g in a few months so I don't need to try every provider just to find the best one (and so I can see if there are ANY 5g masts nearby that would be worth trying because lets face it the providers signal maps are just useless).


Your phone can only connect to masts of the network SIM that is in the phone. So if you have an EE SIM, Cellmapper will only show you EE masts. Change to a Vodafone SIM and cellmapper shows Vodafone masts.

Get some £1 payg SIM's from whsmith/shell petrol stations etc, assuming your phone is unlocked. Or get a second phone from CEX etc. smile

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Standard User Ewok
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 01-Sep-19 13:05:26
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In reply to a post by Ewok:
I am trying to use cellmapper at the moment to see 4g masts around me and judge what provider is best, I can't see many masts at all unless I am doing it wrong. I am sure there are a bunch of masts on top of the post office at the end of the road but nothing is showing up there on any provider I have selected. I am just looking for a way to judge which 4g provider is going to be best and use the same method for 5g in a few months so I don't need to try every provider just to find the best one (and so I can see if there are ANY 5g masts nearby that would be worth trying because lets face it the providers signal maps are just useless).


Your phone can only connect to masts of the network SIM that is in the phone. So if you have an EE SIM, Cellmapper will only show you EE masts. Change to a Vodafone SIM and cellmapper shows Vodafone masts.

Get some £1 payg SIM's from whsmith/shell petrol stations etc, assuming your phone is unlocked. Or get a second phone from CEX etc. smile


Na that's not right, I can see sites listed on o2, three and voda now, just further away than I was looking! It looks like the one at the end of the road is a vodaphone one. If this app is right and isn't missing a bunch of masts, I am surprised I can get 135mb on EE from the window I am sitting at because there are no masts at all showing in that direction (and its mostly a forest/golf course), the masts it shows are on the other side of the building at the other window....where I only get about 90. Odd.

Tried another app called network cell info and what I think it is suggesting (judging by the line going from my location to a mast symbol) is I am connected to a mast somewhere over the other side of the golf course but it seems to be just guessing the location as it moves to 3 different positions, none of which show anything at all on the cellmapper app near those locations (on ANY provider).

Probably have to get a bunch of sims, I don't think these apps work very well. If EE is the best around here then grabbing that unlimited contract might be worth it, its faster than my fibre which only hits 50mb. The problem is speed tests need data, and data on payg costs a lot if you wanna test 3 other providers! urgh.

Edited by Ewok (Sun 01-Sep-19 13:07:10)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Sep-19 13:53:51
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Na that's not right, I can see sites listed on o2, three and voda now, just further away than I was looking!

The map will show you any you network details you select. You might find it easier to use on a PC with a big screen (https://www.cellmapper.net/map) and you can choose the network and band (frequency) on the left side drop down. The capture information (that updates the map) only works for the network your SIM is from. (or host MNO if you're using an MVNO).

It looks like the one at the end of the road is a vodaphone one. If this app is right and isn't missing a bunch of masts, I am surprised I can get 135mb on EE from the window I am sitting at because there are no masts at all showing in that direction (and its mostly a forest/golf course), the masts it shows are on the other side of the building at the other window....where I only get about 90. Odd.

Its a crowd sourced app. It can only show what other people have detected.

If you let us know your general town name/road name, others can look on the web and let you know if they think its sufficient information to use to make choices.

It is possible to have "RF reflections" and all sorts of complicated things happen with radio frequency transmission. People planning cellular networks have PhD's in radio communications!

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Standard User RomaN
(regular) Wed 04-Sep-19 12:16:14
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So.....played around with the location of the router and found an area of the house giving consistently good 4G speeds with EE (for me this is 40+mbps).

New £34pm sim ordered on Sunday...happy days as I got a 10% discount knocking the cost per month down to £30.60.

Arrived just now and boom! Can't belive 10 days ago we were seemingly stuck on ~3mbps copper wire.
Standard User kams19
(newbie) Wed 04-Sep-19 17:30:20
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not sure if thats entirely correct - the ISP can make out from the headers being sent out by the various devices? Plus fingerprinting techniques.
One way to avoid this is to have a permanent VPN on - as mentioned here -https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/177040/...
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