Aqueduct Three 5G Mast

Three PoW mast to be switched on 5G this Wednesday by Aqueduct Telford

https://i.ibb.co/ysJBqYb/Screenshot.png

Looks like they are working their way around them one by one.

Halesfield mast went live last week.

Any news on the Madeley mast?

Madeley expecting go live in mid September or mid October still awaiting from Telford council approved granted

Edited by adslmax (Tue 06-Aug-24 09:41:19)

Has the new Sutton Hill mast gone live?

The Randlay mast is now broadcasting.

Sutton Hill not active yet (more likely in 2025) yep Randlay, Halesfield go live. (not sure if Princess Royal Hospital has gone live there as I don't have three phone with me to test it)

2025 will see two more lives for Sutton Hill and Ironbridge Car Park.

Mount Way, Woodside badly need Three monopole 5G as there is no 5G on the mast (4G Band 3 15MHz) except EE already 5G on it but not Three.

I just quick check on one network updated for those Three Mast by Telford Princess Royal Hosptal


Three works

16 Sep '24 07:00 to 16 Sep '24 17:00
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MEWP required for fault investigation and repair on telecoms site. Works required at top of pole to fix faulty antennas.
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Hutchison 3G Ltd
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Edited by adslmax (Tue 06-Aug-24 10:22:21)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Three PoW mast to be switched on 5G this Wednesday by Aqueduct Telford

https://i.ibb.co/ysJBqYb/Screenshot.png

how can they be a PoW when they haven't been turned on yet ..........

In reply to a post by Taras:

how can they be a PoW when they haven't been turned on yet ..........

Power, safety, council approved these things take long while before active it. They don't active it straight away once PoW go up (most do, some don't) I seen most PoW stand still for years before go live!

Edited by adslmax (Tue 06-Aug-24 11:04:18)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by Taras:

how can they be a PoW when they haven't been turned on yet ..........

Power, safety, council approved these things take long while before active it. They don't active it straight away once PoW go up (most do, some don't) I seen most PoW stand still for years before go live!

Max, a mast may never achieve a PoW status......... for those who don't know; PoW = Pole of Wonder. Seriously just call them masts, untill they are good enough to be called PoW.

Also PoW is subjective, you may achieve god status with a mast, others may not.

Doesn't matter all three monopoles still called PoW! By the way there is new green Three monopole by Ironbridge Car & Ride Park but remain inactive until next year. https://i.ibb.co/FwTH6Sj/20240806-152807.jpg

Edited by adslmax (Tue 06-Aug-24 19:52:21)

Phase 9

https://youtu.be/p83PCfYzjWw?si=D9X6zJkYBY6ah753

That's would be good to peoples in Ironbridge to get better 5G coverage soon from Ironbridge Car & Ride Park with Green phase 9 monopole once it go live next year.

"In my youth"! we used to go to Ironbridge a few times a year as my parents and my Sunday outing. In those days you could still drive across the Iron Bridge!

One side of it wasn't too bad for the car (8HP Ford Anglia 494A) to get up the hill. The other side which was the normal way in and out my Mum and I sometimes had to get out and push-help it.

Then they closed it to vehicles and the steep way was the only realistic one, as there was almost nowhere to park on the easier side.

Edit: I just had a look on wikipedia to find what year it was closed to traffic and it says:"In 1934 it was designated a scheduled monument and closed to vehicular traffic. Tolls for pedestrians were collected until 1950, when the bridge was transferred into public ownership".

It was definitely open for light traffic in the late 1950s, and no tolls. Definitely closed again at some time before I moved up to Manchester.

Edited by pluralist (Wed 07-Aug-24 02:51:16)

I highly doubt NR will get anywhere near Ironbridge wharfage from up on Jiggers Bank.

It certainly does not reach Ironbridge from the NR mast in Broseley.

Aqueduct Three 5G Mast work undergo today

https://i.ibb.co/GHW7Fr1/20240807-092336.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/27gBYX0/20240807-092203.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/YhThwsn/20240807-113644.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/1njdVBW/20240807-113602.jpg

The work has completed but engineers told me it won't activated 5G switch on until next few months.

https://i.ibb.co/7z8d3J5/20240807-155525.jpg

Edited by adslmax (Wed 07-Aug-24 16:20:38)

5G panels have been added at the top like Halesfield.

I would be shocked if it did not go live in 30 days.

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

5G panels have been added at the top like Halesfield.

I would be shocked if it did not go live in 30 days.

It's won't be live in 30 days! More likely in few months time! I think Three rather wait until Madeley is done!

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

5G panels have been added at the top like Halesfield.

why is 5G panels so small? And bottom 4G panels is biggest one! Never understand it.

Went to Aqueduct today testing both EE & Three (none of them no 5G) from this new monopole. I bet switched on before xmas!

Edited by adslmax (Thu 08-Aug-24 17:13:09)

My understanding is:
The lower Antennas cover the lower frequency 4G bands 700 MHz up to 2100 MHz (for Three) and 2600 MHz (for EE).
The top Antennas are for the 3600MHz 5G band.

An Antenna for lower frequencies like 700 MHz has to be physically larger that one for higher frequencies like 3600 MHz.

That's interesting. Thanks.

Three works

07 Aug '24 08:30 to 07 Aug '24 14:30
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3 way lights 3 ped crossings for mewp to access telecoms mast to install micro-dish and rigging and cabling in Telecoms cabinet, ped diversion via ped crossings
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Hutchison 3G Ltd
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Cancelled


Very odd - it now saying cancelled to those work yesterday at Aqueduct are probably the reason for no live boardcaster

In reply to a post by skandia2:

The lower Antennas cover the lower frequency 4G bands 700 MHz up to 2100 MHz (for Three) and 2600 MHz (for EE). The top Antennas are for the 3600MHz 5G band.

An Antenna for lower frequencies like 700 MHz has to be physically larger that one for higher frequencies like 3600 MHz.

The usual rule 20+ years ago when I did CB radio, was you needed an antenna that was a quarter the length of the wavelength. CB was around 54 MHz and we had antenna on the car that was longer that old style FM/AM radio “aerial”.

What you see are “panels”; and the large ones are the size of doors in your house. These panels contain lots of different actual antenna in the structure. If you look at Peter Clarke’s pages (https://pedroc.co.uk/) you can see pictures of the connectors on the back of the panels.

Different panels have different connectors for the different antenna sections within the panel.Then you can find there are multiple, such as 2 x transmit, and 2 x receive within the construction, this improves coverage. So you end up with LOTS of separate connectors, each colour coded on the back of the panel.

Most mast sites are 3 sector, which means when you’re using your device on GPRS, LTE or NR, you are within one of the 3 directions from a panel. Hence a “cell site” can consist of 3 actual sites.

With the 5G/NR panels, the square boxes, these are known as “massive mimo” as they can handle many more than 2 Transmit & 2 Receive at the same time, maybe as much as 40T 40R, which helps dramatically increase the number of users whom get good speeds at the same time.

Lots on this at Ericsson
https://www.ericsson.com/en/reports-and-papers/white...

The n78 band actually uses 3300 MHz to 3600 MHz…. Good diagrams on how this is split, and the recent O2 swap with VF here:
https://mastdatabase.co.uk/gb/spectrum/

Was told by Three today that Aqueduct 5G will go live in this October (Just awaiting for final traffic management & testing) and Madeley 5G will go live in December

Edited by adslmax (Fri 09-Aug-24 13:48:18)

Fastest speed I ever seen by 5G Three Monopole stand next to it

Deleted image due to incorrect speed see below

Edited by adslmax (Sat 10-Aug-24 02:06:56)

Impressive number.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Impressive number.

The speed was incorrect because it running background by DuckDuckGo App Tracking Protection (for Fiber Speed App should be disabled not enabled) the correct speed should reduced by 50%. There is no way any Three 5G monopole went over 2Gbps down and went over 300Mbps up. Correct speed should be 1233Mbps/171Mbps.

The correct speed was by speedtest.net https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/10297265707.png

Both speed was recorded at Halesfield 5G (green monopole) by petrol station. In Halesfield 16 here
https://postimg.cc/CznPShQM

Edited by adslmax (Sat 10-Aug-24 02:05:17)

Well spotted. Theoretically the best you can get from a 100 MHz 5G connection is somewhere around 1500 Mbit/s.

Madeley has been rejected by parish council. Bunch of stupidity rows over health safety. Want the monopole taken down! But nothing updated by Telford Wrekin Council yet
https://secure.telford.gov.uk/planning/pa-applicatio...

Three works

18 Sep '24 07:00 to 18 Sep '24 16:00
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3 way lights around a mewp for installation of microdish to telecoms mast
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Hutchison 3G Ltd
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Refused
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12 Aug 2024 12:54:35
Last updated on one.network

12 Aug 2024 12:54:52

Edited by adslmax (Mon 12-Aug-24 23:12:51)

Three 5G monopole in Leaton Shropshire (don't understand why they put on The Wrekin instead?)


Three works

04 Nov '24 00:00 to 07 Nov '24 23:59
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Minor excavation works: Install new telecoms pole/cab and rigging, integration, decom works.
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Hutchison 3G Ltd
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PAA Granted
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09 Aug 2024 12:43:15
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09 Aug 2024 15:02:12

Madeley has been granted go ahead on the 18th of September to put 5G panels on the mast. But I think they will try the next one as well at Sutton Hill, Telford to installing 5G panels 5G. Look like three areas, Aqueduct, Madeley and Sutton Hill expecting go live in 2025. Long way to go yet.

Three works

18 Sep '24 07:00 to 18 Sep '24 16:00
Work description

3 way lights around a mewp for installation of microdish to telecoms mast
Promoter

Hutchison 3G Ltd
Permit status

Granted
Works last updated

19 Aug 2024 09:09:12
Last updated on one.network

19 Aug 2024 09:09:29

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TWC/2023/0284 Land junction of Park Street/Mayfield, Madeley, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. AC meter cabinet, 1no. Bowler cabinet, 1no. RBS 6130 equipment cabinet, 1no. GPS module to be mounted above antennas and 1no. 15m high Phase 9 street pole Prior Approval Granted 14/06/2023

TWC/2023/0374 Land junction of Sheridan Way, Sutton Hill, Telford, Shropshire Determination under part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. 15m high phase 8 monopole, 2no. ground-based equipment cabinets, 1no. meter cabinet and ancillary development thereto ****AMENDED PLANS RECEIVED**** Prior Approval Granted 11/07/2023

TWC/2023/0430 Grass verge opposite Esso, Halesfield 16, Halesfield, Telford, Shropshire Prior approval application for the installation of a 18m high slim-line monopole, supporting 6 no. antennas, 2 no. equipment cabinets, 1 no. electric meter cabinet, and ancillary development thereto including 1no GPS module Prior Approval Granted 11/07/2023

TWC/2023/0478 Land West of Cuckoo Oak Roundabout, Kemberton Road, Madeley, Telford, Shropshire Prior approval application for the proposed installation of 15m high Phase 8 monopole, 2no. ground-based equipment cabinets, 1no. meter cabinet and ancillary development thereto Withdrawn 16/08/2023

TWC/2023/0277 Castlefields Way, Aqueduct, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. AC meters cabinet, 1no. Bowler cabinet, 1no. RBS 6130 equipment cabinet, 1no. GPS module to be mounted above antennas and 1no. 18m high Phase 8 street pole Prior Approval Granted 09/06/2023

TWC/2023/0282 Land opposite Unit 1, Randlay Avenue, Randlay, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. 15m Phase 8 Monopole, 3no. equipment cabinets, 6no. antennas and associated ancillary works Prior Approval Granted 13/06/2023

TWC/2023/0056 Land junction of Admaston Road/Bagley Drive, Wellington, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed erection of a H3G 16m street pole and additional equipment cabinets Prior Approval Granted 22/03/2023

TWC/2023/0138 Cockshutt Reservoir, Woodlands Drive, Wrockwardine Wood, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed removal of 2no. telecommunication base stations on 2no. masts and the consolidation of equipment on to 1no. 27.5m lattice tower, relocation of 6no. antenna to 1no. new ring frames attached to 1no. proposed 27.5m tower, erection of new 2.4m high perimeter fence and ancillary development thereto Prior Approval Granted 21/04/2023

TWC/2023/0273 Land junction of Trench Road/Church Road, Trench, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. AC meters cabinet, 1no. Bowler cabinet, 1no. RBS 6130 equipment cabinet, 1no. GPS module to be mounted above antennas and 1no. 18m high Phase 9 street pole Prior Approval Refused 08/06/2023

TWC/2023/0285 Land junction of Springhill Road/New Street, Dawley, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. AC meter cabinet, 1no. Bowler cabinet, 1no. RBS 6130 equipment cabinet, 1no. GPS module to be mounted above antennas and 1no. 16m high Phase 9 street pole Prior Approval Granted 19/06/2023

TWC/2023/0350 Land adjacent Innovation House, Euston Way, Telford Town Centre, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 16m high slim-line monopole, supporting 6 no. antennas, 3 no. equipment cabinets and ancillary development thereto including 1 no. GPS module. Prior Approval Granted 16/06/2023

TWC/2023/0512 Land corner of Apley Roundabout, Grainger Drive, Apley, Telford, Shropshire Prior approval application for the installation of a proposed 15m 5G telecoms H3G street pole and additional equipment cabinets *** Amended address *** Prior Approval Granted 30/08/2023

TWC/2023/0638 Land junction of Aston Lane, Wrockwardine, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. AC meter cabinet, 1no. Bowler cabinet, 1no. RBS 6130 equipment cabinet, 1no. GPS module to be mounted above antennas and 1no. 17m high Phase 8 street pole Prior Approval Granted 28/09/2023

TWC/2023/0683 Land junction of Ironbridge Park And Ride, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of 1no. 15m communications mast, 6no. antennas, 3no. equipment cabinets and ancillary development thereto Prior Approval Granted 08/11/2023

TWC/2024/0141 Highway verge, Shawbirch Road (between B5063 & Brandon Avenue), Shawbirch, Telford, Shropshire Determination under Part 16 of the GPDO for the proposed installation of a 17.5m M-Range V2 pole with 6nos antennas, 1no. 300mm transmission dish, 3no. equipment cabinets, 1no. meter cabinet and associated ancillary works Withdrawn 02/04/2024

Edited by adslmax (Mon 19-Aug-24 20:51:56)

Madeley is expecting go live soon with Aqueduct but probably in October / November live switched on. The Ironbridge Park and Ride and Sutton Hill have to wait until late 2025 for live boardcast.

The mast (4G / 5G) seem have no fibre run at Aqueduct. But there is work by Openreach to lay fibre to the mobile mast?

https://i.ibb.co/R0rZqv1/5G-Masts.jpg

Openreach works

07 Oct '24 23:00 to 14 Oct '24 22:59
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dig work required to lay approx 90m of duct in verge and f/way to connect mast
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dig work required to lay approx 90m of duct in verge and f/way to connect mast
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Edited by adslmax (Mon 30-Sep-24 19:17:25)

Updated:

Openreach appear to lay full fibre next to the 5G mast to connected it up tomorrow for Aqueduct 5G panel.

https://ibb.co/2vcQxPr

https://ibb.co/NYqVXdt

Next week Openreach to lay full fibre by 5G mast at Madeley Park Lane

All completed now. Now waiting for Three to switch on the mast after powered up next one planned

Castlefields Way
24 Oct
HM5122447107A-03

Granted
National Grid

https://i.ibb.co/NjshXv7/20241018-143528.jpg

Edited by adslmax (Fri 18-Oct-24 16:07:11)

Been told by three that 5G mast won't be switched on at both Aqueduct and Madeley until spring / summer 2025.

Three has finally switched off 3G. Only 4G now but no 5G yet.

Good news finally at last, There is work go ahead this Thursday to switch on 5G at Aqueduct TF4 3RR

https://i.ibb.co/3hWGKN5/5G-Mast.png

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Good news finally at last, There is work go ahead this Thursday to switch on 5G at Aqueduct TF4 3RR

https://i.ibb.co/3hWGKN5/5G-Mast.png

Seem the Mast still OFFLINE. Waste of time if it just stood there for many months inactive. Sick with Three now.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Seem the Mast still OFFLINE. Waste of time if it just stood there for many months inactive. Sick with Three now.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Been told by three that 5G mast won't be switched on at both Aqueduct and Madeley until spring / summer 2025.

They are probably sick of you, too. Stop pestering them. It'll be switched on when it's ready and the work that finally makes it ready won't be on any streetworks sites. They have to configure and test the hardware and software they don't just throw it in, switch it on and hope for the best. You'd be very rightly upset if that happened and you were on a mast to nowhere with data and most important emergency calls not working properly.

Look like Three 5G has switched on now. but speed capped at 100Mbps down and 50Mbps up at the moment from Aqueduct.

CI: 13781065
eNb: 53832
CID: 73
TAC: 2053
PCI: 314
BW: 10+15+100 MHz
EARFCN: 99
RSSI: -101 dBm
RSRP: -99 dBm
RSRQ: -9dB
SNR: 4dB
CQI: 13
TA: 13 (1.0 km)
Band: B1, B3, n48 (4G LTE 2100 + 1800) (5G NSA 3600)

There seem speed issues at Aqueduct! Disappointed Thought they would be over 500Mbps down and over 40Mbps for normal range? But good upload thought!

https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/10532253214

https://i.ibb.co/vQdmMj4/Screenshot-20241126-151649-...

Edited by adslmax (Tue 26-Nov-24 16:34:38)

Just putting smarty into my 5G Router Hub NR5103E

https://www.speedtest.net/result/17059744353.png
https://pic.nperf.com/r/3548458684616259-tpiHD88l.png
https://i.ibb.co/0MWL78H/NR5103-E-Aqueduct-5-G-Hub.png

The Aqueduct 5G are getting worse now was 950m away from the 5G straight line. Still it got issues on it. Not great!

4G: https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/10562167931

5G: https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/10562166034

Don't know if Three aware of the issues all last week and this week with no sight of improvement yet!

Do you really have to keep posting identical posts on two different treads about the same mast?

Tested Aqueduct today lots better today but there is limit speed possible using Openreach 1Gig cablelink to the 5G mast.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/10563881023

https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/10563886019