GetNet 150mbps N Wireless Modem Router

Any one using one of these: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/getnet-150mbps-n-wire... - looks like it may be good value?

I may need to buy a router if I switch from Plusnet IPStream to xilo/uno LLU - any thoughts or other recommendations would be most welcome.

4M2.

Which LLU service are you moving to?

We generally tend to suggest customers avoid routers that are not one of the "main" brands, simply as you never know what hardware/chipset they will contain.

Matt

ovoid the getnet routers they are awful.

Thanks for the reply Matt,

Maybe considering xilo/uno LLU http://community.xilo.net/threads/cpw-opal-broadband... Talk Surf 50GB - Up to 24Mb down, 1Mb up, which you linked me to in a recent email and that you said would be available from my TT LLU enabled exchange.

The GetNet router is made by Edimax and I use an Edimax PCI wireless card in a Win7 desktop that has proven to be very reliable and never drops a connection - not sure if that is any sort of quality assurance though

4M2.

We do have more control on that product, if you do have problems but as the other posted replied, you might want to avoid them.

Matt

commanderergc,

Many thanks for your opinion about getnet routers; are they "awful" in general or is there one particular thing about them that is bad, are you perhaps saying that they are totally unsuitable for adsl2+...or even for adslmax?

4M2.

Matt,

What sort of "control" is that? Do you sell approved or recommend particular routers for your LLU broadband? A salesman at xilo/uno actually said a tg858 would be fine and he could supply one but the price he quoted sounded rather expensive for a router that other ISP's send out for free - although this is, of course, generally on a one year contract rather than your monthly contract.

4M2.

Any/all control.

SNR, Interleaving, INP... and we can even turn DLM on, if you want it.

We do indeed recommend a TG585 and no, you don't HAVE to get it from us...

Matt

Thanks for the info Matt,

The salesman said that SNR down would be 12dB for starters and then the SNR could be lowered if the line proved to be stable - this, at present, being adjusted from your end if a customer requests it. In the future he said that a customer would be able to adjust SNR via a web interface on your site themselves, is this correct? Would specific makes/models of routers cause customer tweaks to SNR from a web interface to be impossible?

4M2.

Yes, both of those statements are correct.

No, we can do the tweaks on any line regardless of router connected but some will be more stable than others.

Matt

Would tests done on routers using adslmax be relevant to using them with adsl2+ in terms of stability? Or our we looking at a completely different broadband system?

Sorry for so many questions but a move from IPStream to LLU and the implications for future phone usage are quite important if one wished to come off LLU in the future, hence LLU broadband would definitely have to be worth it.

ADSL1 (MAX) and ADSL2+ can be very different. The router may perform fine on ADSL1 yet have problems on 2+.

Matt

Looks like a TG858 or other "known" make/model is the best bet then...

Many thanks for your help

4M2

Hi, go for the Edimax AR-7284WnA Wireless 150Mbps ADSL2/2+ Modem Router.
Make sure you upgrade the firmware to v1.06 2010-07-07.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/edimax-ar-7284wna-11n...

http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=...

http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=...

As mat has said, a Thompson TG858 will work fine, this uses a Broadcom chipset, as do some of the older netgear routers, dg834v4 dg834gt and several others in the dg834 range,
My previous isp was Ukonline, i was at first on the pro (upto 8mb G.dmt) using a edimax ar 7084 IIRC , worked fine, but couldn't handle lots of simultaneous connections so not too good for torrents, and whilst upgrading it's firmware it bricked it's self, lucky it was still under warranty, but when i switched to the premier package upto 16mb(22mb) adsl2+ annex a my downstream sync was poor and my upstream was being artificially capped at 1mbit by the routers limit,
my sync was around 15mbit or less on a default profile of 5db with attenuation of 29db, when i connected a netgear dg834 v5 (conexant chipped) which is a good match for easynet Dslams my sync both up/down increased and with a custom profile of a 4db snr set by uko, i obtained syncs in the 19bit bracket and on fastpath

currently on be, the be-box tg858 v7 isn't as good as the dg834 v4 in my opinion my sync is higher using the netgear, also i can tweak my snr and force different adsl modes easily,

With that router, i would be asking myself what vendors chipset does it use,and if you are gonna take a adsl2+ based service the upload speed maybe more than the rate the router will allow

In reference to www.scan.co.uk/products/edimax-ar-7284wna-11n-150mbps-adsl2plus-mod...:

� Complies with ADSL2/2+ standards with downstream and upstream data rate up to 24Mbps and 1Mbps

some isp 's offer 1.3 or higher upload ,so although the wireless maybe fast the actual adsl side of things isn't that good

Im using a TP-Link TD-W8960N which can be had for around £40. I beleive it uses a Broadbcom chipset, is wireless N and works just as well DG834GT/PN routers I have used

E7er,

Thanks for the link to the edimax ar-7284wna, I did consider it - but would it be any better than the getnet, both seem very similar and made by edimax?

Best price on a TG585 v8 that I can find from a reliable retailer: http://www.amazon.co.uk/THOMSON-802-11g-Wireless-4-p... It would be about the same price as the edimax when amazon and scan's delivery costs are added...

4M2.

Ribble,

It gets good recent reviews on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TD-W8960N-300MBPS-Wi...

4M2

tommy45,

May be possible to get an ex-sky model for cheap and flash it to the Netgear firmware?

Otherwise hard to find new for less than £50...

4M2.

Hi 4M2, I understand the wireless on the Thomson router is a poor, would the wireless perform as well as the Edimax router.

I read in one of your posts�
The GetNet router is made by Edimax and I use an Edimax PCI wireless card in a Win7 desktop that has proven to be very reliable and never drops a connection - not sure if that is any sort of quality assurance though


4M2, I just found the GetNet website did not see it previously.

http://www.getnet.eu/products_GA-524WA.B.html

Impressed with�
The ADSL router supports ADSL standards: G.992.1 (G.dmt), G.992.2 (G.lite), G.992.3 (ADSL2), G.992.4 (splitter less ADSL2), G.992.5 (ADSL2+) for Annex A, Annex B, Annex L and Annex M.

Yeah, in the recent past i have seen quite a few going cheap on flEbay, and flash it with dgteam or netgears firmware amazon i think also links to used netgear routers, but not as cheap,
i got mine from scan DG834 v4( wired ) from scan you can still get the pn wireless model, but as you say they are nearly £50 new or more ,

E7er,

Currently don't have any wireless problems with the edimax pci card and a tg585 v7 (plusnet branded, software release: 8.2.6.5) router, always get 54Mbps, but the signal only has to travel up through plaster board, floor boards and a carpet

I'm going to give the getnet router a try and see how it goes with adslmax, if it's a heap of junk then I'll send it back to scan and replace it with something else from them - there are pretty good with returns...

As they say:"watch this space."

4M2.

I saw a DG834PN new and boxed in Staples in Croydon reduced to £27 I think !

So far so good with the GetNet router on adslmax:

BT test (router has been connected for more than 14 hours):

Download speed achieved during the test was - 6138 Kbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 600-7150 Kbps.
Additional Information:
Your DSL Connection Rate: 8128 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 448 Kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP Profile for your line is - 7150 Kbps

Router stats:

Mode G.dmt
Latency Interleave
Trellis Coding Enable
Status SHOWTIME.
Power Level L0
Uptime 14:32:06

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB) 10.2 23.0
Attenuation (dB) 36.5 20.0
Output Power (dBm) 18.5 12.0
Attainable Rate (Kbps) 9792 1156
Rate (Kbps) 8128 448
K (number of bytes in DMT frame) 0 15
R (number of check bytes in RS code word) 0 8
S (RS code word size in DMT frame) 655.35 8.00
D (interleaver depth) 1 4
Delay (msec) 655.35 8.00
FEC 0 81
CRC 967 95
Total ES 440 12
Total SES 6 0
Total UAS 0 0

(Tg585 always gave attenuation readings of 34 or 35dB down and 20.5 or 21dB up.)

Wireless strength and coverage is good, although at the moment I've only got it set to 2.4 GHz (G) and 60 mW.

Also it runs as cool as a cucumber

Edit: not using the supplied filter - using a filtered faceplate and no bell wire on the extension to a cordless phone base.

Edited by 4M2 (Wed 19-Jan-11 13:28:33)

This looks promising also:

1. Your Tweakable Settings
Receive Window (RWIN): 201356
Window Scaling: 2
Path MTU Discovery: ON
RFC1323 Window Scaling: ON
RFC1323 Time Stamping: ON
Selective Acks: ON
MSS requested: 1418
TTL: unknown
TTL remaining: 117
TOS/TOS subfield: 160
TOS/Flags:

2. Test DownloadActual data bytes sent: 1024001
Actual data packets: 730
Max packet sent (MTU): 1458
Max packet recd (MTU): 1458
Retransmitted packets: 0
sacks you sent: 0
pushed data pkts: 25
data transmit time: 2.489 secs
our max idletime: 211.9 ms
transfer rate: 356910 bytes/sec
transfer rate: 2855 kbits/sec
transfer efficiency: 100%


Notes and Recommendations RWIN is in range
Looking good

Observations:
Good data stream (no/few rexmits)

I assume you have selected & now bought a router. If not you can do 2 things. Just continue with your own router. or (b) buy a TD-w8960N router from TP-Link, which I have....

iand,

I'm testing the GetNet and have got a Edimax EW-7711IN WiFi 802.11n 32-bit PCI card on order for a Win7 machine - will be checking out transfer speed and signal strength/quality. If I can play 45Mbps 1080p HD vids over the wlan that will be fine...

4M2.

Able to play ~40Mbps VBR H.264 videos and transfer files at ~48Mbps over the wlan at 2.4Ghz with the Edimax 802.11n pci card - looking good, no problems