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Hi, recently moved into a house that had 2 BT lines installed so I decided to try the bonded broadband offer from BeThere...now Sky  All is working fine but I want to try and squeeze a little more out of it so want to introduce filtered face-plates to the sockets.
One socket is a standard BT NTE5 Master Socket, the other is a BT Slave Socket (I think)... see here.
I bought both a new BT NTE5 Master Socket and 2x BT ADSL Filtered Face-Plates. One of the face-plates is already fitted as you can see from the above link. However I've now gotten around to fitting the 2nd master socket and need advise on the wiring.
The current wiring is as follows;
Master Socket (Left Side)
Slave Socket (Right Side)
My aim...
1. Leave the existing NTE5 Master Socket as is with the filtered face-plate fitted. (DONE)
2. Replace the BT Slave Socket with the new NTE5 Master Socket and filtered face-plate I've bought.
Do I simple marry up the existing wire to number setup with the new NTE5 Master Socket to achieve this? I've not touched the slave socket yet so wanted to get some advice before I do.
Thanks all,
K
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If you have 2 phone lines you should/must have 2 master sockets, even if they are not both NTE5s. One socket is a standard BT NTE5 Master Socket, the other is a BT Slave Socket (I think) Do they each ring to a diff phone #? Does the (you think) "slave" socket have a yellow ring capacitor inside, like so: LJU2 Master? If so it's master for the 2nd line; if not it's a slave on the 1st phone line.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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Hi, thanks...I have 2 different phone numbers that ring to 2 different phones. I cant see a yellow ring capacitor as per your link, its all just as per the pic in my original post.
The 2 sockets use the wires from a single cable run i.e.
(You can see where the 2 wires have been feed from the right socket to the left socket in the above link)
Green/White - Left side socket - Connection point A
White/Green - Left side socket - Connection point B
Blue/White - Right side socket - Connection point 2
Orange/White - Right side socket - Connection point 3
White/Blue - Right side socket - Connection point 5
White/Orange - Unused
Brown/White - Unused
White/Brown - Unused
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I have 2 different phone numbers that ring to 2 different phones. But do they ring to the 2 diff sockets (with any phone plugged in)?
That is a slave socket and if it rings to a diff #, then the incorrect type of socket has been fitted. It needs to be changed by BT as you are not allowed to mess around with master sockets, as it should be.
EDIT: You are showing the back screwed-to-the-wall bit of the 2nd socket. What does the reverse of the front plate look like? (I had to switch browsers to see your pix properly at length; that place you are storing them at doesn't like my normal IE8 )
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Edited by XRaySpeX (Sat 30-Mar-13 01:55:45)
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If they have Be line bonding running from these two sockets means they are two different lines
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On right hand socket bluewhite to the a on new master and white blue to b, orange to nothing.
Strictly should be a bt job. If no extension wiring the your changes will probably make no difference
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Phone Number 1 rings to a phone connected to the Right side socket....
Phone Number 2 rings to a phone connected to the Left side socket...
I have 2 different accounts with BT and pay 2 separate bills.
I have likely then used an incorrect term when I said the left socket was a Slave as I believe you're saying this is in fact another master socket?
The reverse of the front plate on the right side socket looks like this. (Sorry another browser switchout needed  )
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Okay thanks for the details...
When you say "If no extension wiring...", there are 2 further sockets around the house we don't use. One of these seems to work and we can answer a call from one of our numbers on said socket. The other socket seems to be broken as your can hear "dead air" but no dial tone...few pops and cracks now and then.
Does any of this change the solution? I.e why is the Orange no longer required?
Thanks
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I think we can't say from the photos. The mutlicore is an internal cable, so it is connecting elsewhere to the incoming wire. The presence of the orange wire on the right socket suggests it's an extension from a master elsewhere.
The wiring to the one on the left may be ok, if the green/whites just pair up to the incoming line.
You need to locate the incoming wire and find the master associated with the socket on the right.
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Phil
MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.
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I believe you're saying this is in fact another master socket? No, your 2nd socket is a slave socket and an unusual one at that, as far as I can see.
You either have another, master, socket somewhere on that line or you need BT to change that slave into a proper master.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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Can I ask how much you are paying for bonded ADSL?
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I don't have bonded ADSL. I do have 2 phone lines but I was just commenting on OP's sockets.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Edited by XRaySpeX (Mon 01-Apr-13 14:10:51)
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Apologies - meant it as a question to original post.
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I've just had a look at 1 of my slave sockets. It is completely unlike yours. It has all the gubbins on the reverse of the faceplate, not on the wall-mounted part.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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Can I ask how much you are paying for bonded ADSL?
Free install which is normally £80 and half price line rental, means I pay £35 a month and have a 12 month contract. Was a pretty slick set up as well, very quick to arrange and get up an running, think they beat there target go live by 3 days.
I can't get any fiber in my area and no cable either so DSL was only option.
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I believe you're saying this is in fact another master socket? No, your 2nd socket is a slave socket and an unusual one at that, as far as I can see.
You either have another, master, socket somewhere on that line or you need BT to change that slave into a proper master.
Okay so I trace the multicore from the back of the suspect right side socket, it disappears into my garage and then back through the wall towards my house again...from the wires location I believe it goes into the back of another socket on the ground floor...
Ground floor - socket view.
Ground floor - wiring view.
Would this explain the socket and wiring setup now? Other than the none conventional slave socket interior?
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That's the NTE5 master for the right hand line.
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Phil
MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.
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Well then, that must be the master for the 2nd line and what you showed us first (on R) is a slave to it. Does it ring to the 2nd number?
I can only refer you to this wiring & socket info: http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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LOL, what a paper chase!
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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LOL, what a paper chase!
Ha indeed, really appreciate your help as well as the others who contributed.
So reading around on the link you shared it seems like the orange bell wire is surplus and can be disconnected...this also has a chance of improving ADSL speeds right?
So my options are I re-wire this myself but from what has been said this is really a "no no" and I should get BT out to do the job properly :-\
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So my options are I re-wire this myself but from what has been said this is really a "no no" and I should get BT out to do the job properly :-\ Now that you know that you have a real master on Line 2, you are permitted to touch anything on your side from the NTE5 faceplace inclusive onwards incl. the R slave socket and you may follow that linked page.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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if you can arrange that a single pair blue/white on 2/5 go from the distant NTE5 to the right hand socket with the orange disconnected and no other wires on the back of the NTE5 faceplate (and nothing plugged into its face) then you'll be close to as good as you can get it, providing nothing is tee'd off en route from master to remote.
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Phil
MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.
MaxDSL diagnostics |
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Okay so all done now and working first time, noted so far an additional 0.2MB/s of consistent download bandwidth but its early days I guess.
Thanks all for your help and for info the model number of the 2nd socket confusing me was a VJU2/3A, the wire bundle was obscuring the tag previously.
Cheers all,
Kelvin
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