I have already conceded the point about the RIN, a few posts back if you have a little read.

However, my point still stands, a Plusnet Customer on a Plusnet based trial gets an invite from BT. How is it not possible that it cannot be rolled out on any network that BT choose?

Carry on with the insults, if it pleases you that much, its only a forum, and not as if I have to speak to you in real life.

I think the main reason Plusnet stopped the trial was that PAYG was the only type of account which was suitable for going through RIN (BBYW depends on the traffic prioritisation of the Plusnet Ellacoyas). Plusnet stopped selling PAYG, therefore end of trial.

I'll say it again.

BT or Plusnet RIN users connect to BT Retail gateways.

Other ISPs users (and rest of Plusnet users) connect to ISP Gateways.

The penny drops......

The RIN trial was clearly marked as a trial involving the BT network - anyone who VOLUNTEERED for the trial was given plenty of information at the time that they would be using the BT network - It was fairly obvious because that was the whole point of it.

So, later on when BT decide to trial Phorm on BT'S NETWORK, people are surprised that a user who is using BT'S NETWORK is invited onto the trial?

There were warnings posted by Ian Wild and James Bailey that RIN may be affected (as it's not Plusnet's network, it's BT'S NETWORK)

I'd be interested to see how you believe that BT can just inject themselves onto any other ISP's network. BT handle the Colossus traffic for most reseller ISPs, but unfortunately it's not possible for them to actually intercept any particular traffic stream at that point. End users see first-hop from their router to their ISP gateway (although many hops occur in the BT ATM "cloud" up to that point)

I think that ISPs would be more worried about other, more pressing security issues if BT were able to interfere with the traffic between router and gateway.

See you can be helpful when you want to

I have conceded that now.

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I'd be interested to see how you believe that BT can just inject themselves onto any other ISP's network. BT handle the Colossus traffic for most reseller ISPs, but unfortunately it's not possible for them to actually intercept any particular traffic stream at that point. End users see first-hop from their router to their ISP gateway (although many hops occur in the BT ATM "cloud" up to that point)

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I hope that was a typo although given our government's attampts to control everything perhaps it might be a forecast of things to come

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Shows how much you can trust anything BT say.

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Jelv. What part of "and it looks as though a configuration error was responsible for the presentation of the Webwise screen," don't you understand???

Now if the customer had not received the webwise screen, but had been included in the trails, fair enough.

You have jumped the gun and made yourself look a fool.

This http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=newsite&Number=3495887 just confirms it

Edited by wingco1 (Tue 11-Nov-08 11:57:42)

RIN is BT Retail, not BT Wholesale.

The routing from and to the exchange for BT Retail is done by BT Wholesale. BT Retail have no control over the rest of BT Wholesale's network, hence no possibility of accessing any other ISP's network that also runs through BT Wholesale.

It's a bit like the Entanet model isn't it? BT Retail is an ISP, like Entanet.

Plusnet through its own Central Pluses is an ISP. Plusnet through RIN is in effect a re-seller of a service provided by BT Retail. So of course Retail can technically do anything, and by the same token make a mess of something.

On BT's information page they categorically stated Plusnet users would not be included. Any competent organisation, in working with such a high profile issue where they know their every move is being watched, would have double checked to make sure that Plusnet users were not included. The specific issue of Plusnet RIN was raised months ago.

Conclusions:

(a) You can't trust anything BT say

(b) Even if BTdo intend to do what they say you can't trust them to have the technical competence to get it right