In reply to a post by 4M2:

I'm sorry to hear that the Plusnet agent was unable (or not willing?) to offer you a satisfactory deal. It looks like you may be edging toward seriously considering a zzoomm FTTP installation and ceasing the xDSL and landline.

If you do go with zzoomm or another FTTP provider on a 12 months contract at a reasonable price and have no need for a PSTN voice service then hopefully things will work out OK...

I have no need for voice, and even if I went for Plusnet FTTP I would lose that anyway. Zzoomm is £19.99 for the first 3 months and then £29.99 a month for 150/150, 12 months contract. they did have a better deal with the 6 months free, but it was a 24-month contract, i prefer the smaller contract if I went with them.
The thing is, all ISPs seem to have gone away from the cheaper end of the market, they seem to be pushing people towards FTTP, cheapest seems to be shell for FTTC, even now broadband seems to have gone up. I realise costs have gone for these providers., but I also think that openreach is pulling the strings and making these providers give a better offer with FTTP.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

I'm sorry to hear that the Plusnet agent was unable (or not willing?) to offer you a satisfactory deal. It looks like you may be edging toward seriously considering a zzoomm FTTP installation and ceasing the xDSL and landline.

If you do go with zzoomm or another FTTP provider on a 12 months contract at a reasonable price and have no need for a PSTN voice service then hopefully things will work out OK...

I have no need for voice, and even if I went for Plusnet FTTP I would lose that anyway. Zzoomm is £19.99 for the first 3 months and then £29.99 a month for 150/150, 12 months contract. they did have a better deal with the 6 months free, but it was a 24-month contract, i prefer the smaller contract if I went with them.
The thing is, all ISPs seem to have gone away from the cheaper end of the market, they seem to be pushing people towards FTTP, cheapest seems to be shell for FTTC, even now broadband seems to have gone up. I realise costs have gone for these providers., but I also think that openreach is pulling the strings and making these providers give a better offer with FTTP.

Do you have even the vaguest inkling how the telecommunications market is regulated, how OfCOM works or how business works?

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Do you have even the vaguest inkling how the telecommunications market is regulated, how OfCOM works or how business works?

You're asking that question to a guy who works in the warehouse of a supermarket.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Do you have even the vaguest inkling how the telecommunications market is regulated, how OfCOM works or how business works?

Yes, I do,

And yes i know Ofcom also want us to go to fibre, they are still not telling ISP s how much to charge and to charge more for FTC than FTTP.

Edited by zyborg47 (Wed 17-May-23 08:51:12)

In reply to a post by dect:

You're asking that question to a guy who works in the warehouse of a supermarket.

Wow, how superior you are?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Do you have even the vaguest inkling how the telecommunications market is regulated, how OfCOM works or how business works?

Yes, I do,

And yes i know Ofcom also want us to go to fibre, they are still not telling ISP s how much to charge and to charge more for FTC than FTTP.

From your answer and despite your protestations it is fairly clear that you have a one-sided view with no real understanding of how business works, what the drivers are, what responsibilities fall to those directing publicly quoted businesses and how it affects the business decisions in order to discharge those responsibilities to the owners of the business.

Perhaps you could explain why you expect businesses to encourage their customers to stay on FTTC at a cheaper price when it is financially more attractive to a business to move those customers to FTTP with cheaper infrastructure costs (even allowing for the amortisation of the construction costs), cheaper running costs and cheaper maintenance costs.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

From your answer and despite your protestations it is fairly clear that you have a one-sided view with no real understanding of how business works, what the drivers are, what responsibilities fall to those directing publicly quoted businesses and how it affects the business decisions in order to discharge those responsibilities to the owners of the business.

Perhaps you could explain why you expect businesses to encourage their customers to stay on FTTC at a cheaper price when it is financially more attractive to a business to move those customers to FTTP with cheaper infrastructure costs (even allowing for the amortisation of the construction costs), cheaper running costs and cheaper maintenance costs.

I understand why they are doing it, and I realise that FTTP is cheaper to run. But then they should not be surprised if some customers who don't want to change go for a different provider.
the person i chatted to at plusnet said he could not offer me anything better on the FTTC package, and yet was a bit agitated when I said I would go to a provider who could do a better deal instead. he just went on about FTTP after i told him I did not want FTTP. so they are willing to lose a customer that have been with them for a few years.

FTTP is cheaper for providers because Openreach is making it cheaper for the providers, FTTC is there and if other providers can do it it at a better price, why can't Plusnet?

This is like supermarkets lowing their prices for people with loyalty cards, so people will get loyalty card,. Can't get people to change, so we will do something to make them think they are getting something better out of changing.

openreach like other fibre providers are realising that a lot of people don;t want to change as they are fine with they have, so now they are using underhand tatics by increasing the price of the older technology.

the problem is most over providers are pushing FTTp as well, the only one I see that are doing a good deal on FTTc is shell and Onestream. I still have at least 3 weeks to make up my mind what I am going to do, maybe plusnet will give me a better offer, but I am not holding my breath.


As I have said before I have nothing against FTTP, if it was already installed I would use it, but I just the hassle of having it installed and maybe cancelled appointments and that sort of thing.

It is clearly unfair that OpenReach might offer a better technology for a lower price. What are they thinking of

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

how superior you are?

Just stating a fact, your anti establishment mindset is sadly holding you back, you have proved that time after time. Even saying what I have I still think you are an extremely genuine guy

Edited by deleted (Wed 17-May-23 22:29:13)

Why am I not surprised this thread has gone from a simple question down the road to Big Brother land 🤣🤣🤣