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Standard User jpm
(member) Sat 05-Jun-21 20:40:24
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: Pheasant] [link to this post]
 
No. Amazon bought Eero and the sum total of the development work they have done for the UK market is to change the power adapter in the box.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 05-Jun-21 20:45:57
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: Thelolinator] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Thelolinator:
If I'm not mistaken, having a modem/router in bridge mode would just pass the PPPoE requirement to the router - but since that won't work is there a modem/router that has a "modem" mode, similar to how Virgin's hubs work?


You need a device that does "half-bridge" which handles the PPPoE logon and then spoofs the public IP to your eero.

Worth asking the Draytek world if the Draytek 130 modem can do this. It is the sort of advanced feature they MIGHT support. It isn't something their marketing pages mention however. Over 10 years ago a Thomson ADSL router (with the old BE ISP) could be convinced to do something similar.

https://www.draytek.co.uk

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Standard User Pheasant
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 06-Jun-21 10:33:59
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: jchamier] [link to this post]
 
Some creativity with RouterOS on Mikrotik would be similarly achieved, but this is frankly a ridiculous thing to have to do.

I’d be taking advantage of Amazon’s returns policy and getting something fit for purpose, out of the box, that does what’s needed not spending more time and cash cobbling together a solution.

These things aren’t designed for UK based IsPs - with the VM cable exception you’ve noted. Just send it back.


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Standard User Thelolinator
(newbie) Sun 06-Jun-21 10:49:03
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


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Hi everyone,

Thanks for the replies - much appreciated.

Just to note I’m currently with Now Broadband (waiting for FTTP rollout sometime this year, so wanted a rolling contract) and the Eeros currently are working as access points - I was looking at another potential ISP that does rolling contracts but with PPPoE so was hoping there might’ve been a solution where the Eeros weren’t acting as just APs.

In reply to a post by amiga_dude:
In reply to a post by Thelolinator:
I'd like to avoid double NAT (if that's even possible).


Well if not all is not lost. What need to do is something like this:-

The router from you isp I will call (ISP)
The router you already own I will call (Yours)

(ISP) get it IP address ie 192.168.0.1, you need to make shore this is different IP address (Yours) router ie 192.168.1.1 , both them can not use same IP's
(Yours) you will need to know it Wan MAC address.
(ISP) in this system DHCP register (Yours) Wan MAC address to lets say 192.168.0.100
(ISP) set DMZ (Demilitarized Zone) as 192.168.0.100

Connect (Yours) router from it WAN port to the (ISP) Lan Ports.

Connect all your kit to (Yours) router Lan-WiFi.

This way you will be able to do things like Port Forwarding.


I did try to use DMZ in this way but couldn’t get it to work (Eero’s had no internet connectivity). Could just be Sky’s awful router 🤷‍♂️.

Unfortunately I needed a mesh system (otherwise I prefer your more typical type of router that I can put OpenWrt on) - and I also wanted to have HomeKit router support as well. The market for that is severely limited and Eero is the only one that fit the bill so went with that - rather unfortunately I was surprised to find out they didn’t support PPPoE.

I did previously have Linksys’s MX10 mesh system - but they haven’t pushed ANY updates for it since March 2020 and their previous systems were more featureful (including HomeKit support) - how crazy to regress in such a way. So those were swiftly returned.

Apart from Virgin and the FTTP provider I’m waiting for that doesn’t require auth with PPPoE - does anyone know of an ISP that the Eeros would support?

Thanks again!

Edited by Thelolinator (Sun 06-Jun-21 10:51:12)

Standard User jpm
(member) Sun 06-Jun-21 11:03:41
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: Thelolinator] [link to this post]
 
I think that TalkTalk (residential) just have the modem establish VDSL sync and then issue IP addresses by DHCP (as in there's no PPPoE).

https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Articles/Set-up-...

Edited by jpm (Sun 06-Jun-21 11:04:28)

Standard User Pheasant
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 06-Jun-21 11:29:19
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: jpm] [link to this post]
 
That would still require a TalkTalk (or another) router to act as the VDSL modem would it not? Presumably then OP is back at square one with double NAT or DMZ quandary.
Standard User Pheasant
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 06-Jun-21 11:34:40
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: Thelolinator] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Thelolinator:
waiting for FTTP rollout sometime this year, so wanted a rolling contract

Which FTTP provider are you waiting for?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 06-Jun-21 11:44:55
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: Thelolinator] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Thelolinator:
Apart from Virgin and the FTTP provider I’m waiting for that doesn’t require auth with PPPoE - does anyone know of an ISP that the Eeros would support?

I think you're out of luck. If you can't return the Eeros, then maybe eBay them?

Any other brand of mesh WiFi is going to be better in the UK than the Eero products. Many connect as access points to an existing router, such as the stuff given by the ISP, so all you need to do is disable WiFi on the ISP provided router to have a fully functioning mesh.

BT Whole home is in Argos too, so you can buy in a traditional store:
https://www.argos.co.uk/search/bt-whole-home-wifi/?c...

Some brands:

* ASUS
* Netgear
* BT Wholehome
* TPLink

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Standard User jabuzzard
(experienced) Sun 06-Jun-21 21:00:03
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


[re: Pheasant] [link to this post]
 
Well not all ISP's use PPPoE which is frankly from a technical perspective a dumb hangover from the days of dialup. Notably TalkTalk and Sky don't use it.

Second the optimal placement for a VDSL modem is almost never an optimal placement for WiFi access points, so meh you need an extra box, and besides with full fibre you are going to have a separate ONT anyway.
Standard User jabuzzard
(experienced) Sun 06-Jun-21 21:03:34
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Re: Router does not support PPPoE - device to do auth only?


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Yep you just need to tag for VLAN31 from memory of setting it up for my brother. Also I believe that Sky do plain DHCP with the use of option 61.

Frankly PPPoE in a world of xDSL makes zero sense from a technical perspective. It's nothing more than a hangover from the days of dialup.
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