ADSL Max. Unlimited options?

No 21CN, LLU or Fibre.

I'm currently considering.

BT. Least likely to remain unlimited I suppose.
John Lewis. Like plusnet but no peak usuage, seems alright?
Orange. The forum on here looks full of complaints and it's my least favourite color. I like a good green.

Is there any options out there that I'm missing? That won't cost me over £35 a month (line rental included). I know I'm asking for a lot, but I have a family and limits just aren't feasible.

Take a look at the post office.
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/broadband-phone/home-pho...

100GB FUP now?

I would say that BT were the MOST likely to remain unlimited.
They have the biggest customer base and just imagine if they removed the unlimited option. Everyone would flock elsewhere. Especially those with LLU available.

Personally I would choose BT as for non llu it's not priced too badly.

I would not worry about that when they advertise as unlimited. I would use what I want and dare them to cut me off or restrict my service.
Personally, I cannot see myself returning to B.T. while they charge the same for copper as fibre.

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Perhaps reading the FUP would help.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5195-post-office-...

If your usage exceeds 100GB in any month, we may write to you to request that you moderate your usage. If your usage subsequently exceeds 100GB in two consecutive months or for a fifth month in any 12 month period, we may contact you again asking you to moderate your usage, and warn you that we may reduce your internet access speeds, download speeds and upload speeds

A note of caution on the 1st of june when post office new 100gb fup comes in, the package will no longer be sold/ advertised as unlimited instead will be 100gb

Yes, I am aware of such restrictions. But, ANY restriction in speed or whatever is ultimately restricting the total you might have otherwise used, which I would contest. While ISPs stubbornly refuse to drop the 'Unlimited' description on a service with limits, they will always be considered guilty of false advertising by many. You simply cannot modify the definition of 'Unlimited'.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Perhaps reading the FUP would help.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5195-post-office-...

If your usage exceeds 100GB in any month, we may write to you to request that you moderate your usage. If your usage subsequently exceeds 100GB in two consecutive months or for a fifth month in any 12 month period, we may contact you again asking you to moderate your usage, and warn you that we may reduce your internet access speeds, download speeds and upload speeds

I have taken a look http://www.postoffice.co.uk/sites/default/files/Fair... and item 2.2 states that current unlimited customers will be restricted in speed for excessive use. This is a major variation of contract which should give users the right to leave with no penalty. Conveniently there is no mention of that right.
I see the Post Office are offering a new package including anytime calls for £30.55. By the time you add caller display, you would be better off paying another 3 or 4 pounds for the totally unlimited B.T. service, which includes free Wi-Fi.
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/broadband-phone/home-pho...

I have taken a look http://www.postoffice.co.uk/sites/default/files/Fair... and item 2.2 states that current unlimited customers will be restricted in speed for excessive use. This is a major variation of contract which should give users the right to leave with no penalty. Conveniently there is no mention of that right.
I see the Post Office are offering a new package including anytime calls for £30.55. By the time you add caller display, you would be better off paying another 3 or 4 pounds for the totally unlimited B.T. service, which includes free Wi-Fi.
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/broadband-phone/home-pho...


they are allowing customers to leave for free, before the fup went live they had this document up, seems it not ther no more. it said

1st June 2012 Post Office® Broadband Fair Use Policy Changes

The Post Office® Fair Use Policy has been amended and the new policy will come in
to effect on the 1st June 2012. The Post Office® has amended the �Usage Guidelines�
and �Fair Usage Policy Enforcement� sections of the policy.


The new Fair Use Policy can be found on the Important Information TABs of the Home Phone, Broadband Standard, Broadband Extra, Home Phone with Broadband Standard and Home Phone with Broadband Extra product pages.


Because the introduction of the new Fair Use Policy is a material change to the Post Office® Broadband Extra Terms and Conditions, you have the right to terminate your Post Office® Broadband Extra service without incurring early termination charges. Please see the Terms and Conditions for Post Office® Broadband Extra Customers
for further information.

If you wish to discuss these changes to your Post Office® Broadband Extra service, please call 0845 600 3210 and select option 1 and then option 4.

Ah, I see. Not that it really excuses them still offering 'Unlimited' broadband with no mention of the changes on the signup pages other than the usual vague mention of a FUP. Who is going to look at that when till now, a FUP has centred around heavy P2P use at peak times, not total use.
This is typical of a B.T. company and echoes the old B.T. 'Unlimited' broadband with a secret 100Gb limit. To be fair, 100Gb is enough for most even in this age of the iPlayer, if only we had fair advertising.

BT company? Not for several decades now.

I suggest you talk to the ASA, as they have rewritten the definition of 'unlimited'

Well, if we are going to split hairs, I best be off.

Well it's you that doesn't seem to be aware of reality, and so wrongly advising the OP.

The ASA and OfCom are have repeatedly shown they are happy with "unlimited" not meaning that. You are the one out of step. As for saying Andrew is splitting hairs about

This is typical of a B.T. company and echoes the old B.T. 'Unlimited' broadband with a secret 100Gb limit

I'm not even sure what you are on about.

The Post Office has never belonged to BT for one thing, and the FUP we are discussing is nothing whatsoever to do with BT. So your clever crack is doubly baffling. All I can think is that quote and your splitting hairs remark just bitterness from someone who has convincingly lost the argument.

You imply you are with the PO. I look forward to your exceeding 100GB after 1 June then taking them to court when they reprimand you .

So you do not remember the old Post Office Telefones company. If they decide to split into a group, it's one and the same to me. Just the same as Royal Mail and the Parcel service pretending to be seperate companies. In my book all the same pond.
My point was, that as well as being all the same group in my book, Post Office Broadband is a B.T. White Labal product totally managed by B.T. and therefore like the likes of Plusnet will always be limited by B.T.
Any amount of unfair or shifty contracts, of for that matter anything the ASA are happy to accept, can no way alter the dictionary definition of 'Unlimited'. I certainly will not be ordered to think otherwise, and suspect if a disagreement over unlimited ever reached court, others may well agree with me. I therefore don't know what you are talking about with regard to "losing an argument". If you cannot liken a 100gb B.T. managed product to the old 100gb B.T. service, I don't see that amounts to me having a problem. Why do forum cleverdicks always have to get nasty and personal? It's no wonder those of us that wont put up with it fly off the handle.
It is well documented here that I left the P.OO. service long ago.

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Given you call Post Office and BT part of the same group I presume you pay no heed to the Openreach, BT Wholesale and BT Retail distinctions?

The BT Wholesale white label service has whatever fup level the reseller decides to buy, and it does not have the traffic management that Plusnet have on their products, which is different to what the BT Total products have.

I pay heed to the whole caboodle. As far as I am concerned, if you are not unbundled, you are at the mercy of B.T. in one guise or another. Don't get me wrong, I would never again sign up with the likes of Sly or Taktalk unbundled or not. All of which leaves little choice for an antagonist like me, though if it were not for the long 18 month tie-in, I know where I would be. So for me, it is hopping between ISPs with no tie-in. Now considering Freeola, not the cheapest I know, but very good off-peak times (7.00 p.m and all weekend) and lots of apparently happy customers.

In reply to a post by m0aur:

So you do not remember the old Post Office Telefones company. If they decide to split into a group, it's one and the same to me. Just the same as Royal Mail and the Parcel service pretending to be seperate companies. In my book all the same pond.

I probably remember it far better than you do. Your grasp of the facts seems to be somewhat tenuous. To save a lot of typing, I'll quote Wiki about BT.

The Post Office Act of 1969 led to the GPO becoming a public corporation. British Telecom was formed in 1980, and became independent of the Post Office in 1981. British Telecom was privatised in 1984, with more than 50 per cent of its shares sold to investors. The Government sold its remaining stake in further share sales in 1991 and 1993.

BT has a primary listing on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 100 Index.

Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Post Office in terms of being parts of the same group.

My point was, that as well as being all the same group in my book

Wrong, see above.

Post Office Broadband is a B.T. White Labal product

True.

totally managed by B.T and therefore like the likes of Plusnet will always be limited by B.T.

Not true.

Any amount of unfair or shifty contracts, of for that matter anything the ASA are happy to accept, can no way alter the dictionary definition of 'Unlimited'.

I agree, and I'm quite sure you have seen me say so many times, until I got bored.

I certainly will not be ordered to think otherwise, and suspect if a disagreement over unlimited ever reached court, others may well agree with me.

La-la land.

I therefore don't know what you are talking about with regard to "losing an argument".

Try reading what I said again. You appeared to be going away in a sulk because no-one agreed with you.

If you cannot liken a 100gb B.T. managed product to the old 100gb B.T. service, I don't see that amounts to me having a problem.

Your not understanding the difference is your problem.

Why do forum cleverdicks always have to get nasty and personal?

It seems to be you doing that.

It's no wonder those of us that wont put up with it fly off the handle.

Speak for yourself.

It is well documented here that I left the P.OO. service long ago.

I hardly think your IPS progress is "documented" on these forums, any more than anyone else's. Or are you so essential to all our presence here that you expect us to follow your every word. The only obvious documentation is that your ISP is currently Plusnet. Is that still the case?

Given this demolition of the service that the Post Office can offer, where does your initial (mistaken anyway) recommendation of it stand?

Not a recommendation, I was simply pointing the way to another 8mb service to someone who thought they had discovered all options. Like all ISPs there are good and bad experiences with the P.O. You would think I would know better than try to help someone here by now!

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Evading the language filter is not a good idea if you wish your posts to remain on the board.

I originally suggested the P.O. as an 8Mb service to the O.P in an attempt to help someone in their search for an ISP, but I am wondering why I bothered.
I said best I be off specifically so as not to cause a spat with the nit-pickers. Both of which you should have realised along with my ISP history as the cleverest Dick of them all.
Unlike your vastly inflated view of your status here, I have as little use or regard for TB as it has me. As you even argue the fact that Post Office broadband is managed by B.T. I cannot see any reason to waste further breath on you, so will leave you to play with yourself, though I doubt you will be able to resist further outpourings in an attempt to inflame things further - You will be rambling to yourself.