Please realise these are TEMPORARY restrictions.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mistral have now discovered what happens when you offer what Ace were.

Granted not every Ace member was a member of the urine extraction squad who've started squatting in Mistral's car park, however, the latest "temporary restrictions" are a strong indication of the way things may go. Most members probably just tried to do what it said on the tin. Many tried to warn them and got shouted down for doing so.

It's unlikely Mistral will sling in a few more pipes to help alleviate the temporary restrictions (remember the lead times on pipes -- even 155 ones take a while) that are now in force which kinda indicates the restrictions might not really be that temporary. I can't seem them being able to boot enough "excessive" users to balance it all out again. This final paragraph is of course is total speculation on my part

I admired UKFSN's post earlier today. It spoke volumes.

But in their public statement - AceInternet blamed the world cup streams for the lack of bandwith - NOT P2P users. So why punish P2P users?

I doubt a vast majority do not watch the world cup streams either, so why let them watch them in full glory while those who use P2P can't use P2P?

Because if you're going to do any sort of QoS/prioritisation/throttling p2p takes a huge amount of capacity and the bulk (not suggesting all) of p2p use is downloading copyright stuff.

Also bear in mind that streams, well, they stream, they aren't much fun to watch if they keep breaking up. On the other hand a p2p download just takes longer.

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Also bear in mind that streams, well, they stream, they aren't much fun to watch if they keep breaking up.

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They're not much fun to watch even if they are not breaking up from what I have viewed, terrible quality. lol

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But then - why can't the people watching the streams just watch the television? Or they could record the world cup and then watch it later. It's not as though they NEED to see a match.

And P2P users are paying to be able to get the full service - what they do with the service shouldn't mean that another person paying for the same full service has priority.

We could keep arguing over this - but at the end of the day - I don't think that the world cup stream users should be able to do what they want when the P2P users aren't allowed. Even though, according to the statement, it's the world cup users straining the network.

There needs to be a balance so that P2P users can get an adequate service whilst some who want to watch the world cup can too. And I don't think that these "temporary" restrictions are fair to P2P users.

My question is, at what point in the evening will speeds return to normal.
It is after 6.00pm now and on a 3-4 meg service i am still getting speeds of 6.6Kbps on newsgroup d/l's

and as for 1/5 of a spped decreas, mine is actuallt 50x slower.
This is just not on, and is now depressing me and I can get anything done.
Screw it I'm off down the pub, if things are not up not normal pseed when i get back look out.

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My question is, at what point in the evening will speeds return to normal.
It is after 6.00pm now and on a 3-4 meg service i am still getting speeds of 6.6Kbps on newsgroup d/l's
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Yes and tommorrow I am going to take advantage of Steve's kind offer and get my MAC.



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p2p doesn't require a high quality download to operate... streaming, voip, vpn, etc. does require it. In essence, p2p can saturate things to the point that a number of other things are useless. However, on the other hand p2p just takes a bit longer to download. This is usually not a problem as a lot of p2p activity is usually unattended while people are asleep or at work.

Streaming in many cases only requires less bandwidth than p2p. Do the maths on a 622 central with x number of 8mb users running P2P full blast 24/7. It is simply not economical to sustain. Some Ace users have reportedly downloaded over a terrabyte a month. I challenge anyone to prove on these forums that this is sustainable given the known costs which are publicly available. So far in the debates particularly over the last year, once you cut back the emotions, it simply is impossible.

If you do think it is possible, you could also go the extra step by starting up an ISP right now and showing the country how to do it. You would be the wonder child of the industry over night.

Until this miracle occurs, we need to lobby OFCOM to push BTw to overhaul its costs ASAP, so that bandwidth costs in this country becomes sane again.