I am also on Plusnet on Premier and find it is good for what I do.

The only advice I would give is during your free trial period make sure you test everything you want to use so you know it fits your needs. Thats what I did during my free trial and all went well so I signed up fully.

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I am also on Plusnet on Premier and find it is good for what I do.

The only advice I would give is during your free trial period make sure you test everything you want to use so you know it fits your needs. Thats what I did during my free trial and all went well so I signed up fully.

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Indeed for general usage if you know how many gigs you need per month Plusnet do not seem a bad choice compared to some.

However I will say after just looking at their webpages for the first time in about 6 months i could NOT recommend ANY of their packages to people that regularly want P2P/Binary USENET or TV/Radio/Movie downloads.

Plusnet by their own admission do admit say at peak times the experience for people with that type of use will be quote "Non-interactive experience. Customers will see restricted speeds whenever the network is busy." or in other words and proper English... throttled to death lol

I could not find any Plusnet package where they can say with certainty at peak times those types of service would not be affected when it comes to actual raw speed, not even with a business package or a PAYG package.

This is very strange IMO and very poor when the especially if the customer is paying per gig. It would also if i were a business instantly turn me away because if they want to charge a premium price for business users but not provide 'more' then whats the point?

Whats even stranger is if you look at http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/network/roadmap.shtml They say in 2004 60% (and rising) of traffic was P2P, if you look at that graph carefully you can see that as speeds have got faster people have wanted MORE content from their connections, which makes sense. What doesnt make sense is if Plusnet know what the customer wants most of the time why do they limit it at peak times?

Thats a rhetorical question BTW we all know why really... MONEY!

From looking at their pages and Plusnets honesty here in this forum i would say they could be a good provider if you mainly just browse, email, and maybe game online a bit.

I could not recommend any of their packages if you are a heavy user (and by heavy i mean max your connection download wise more then 3 hours every day, in plusnets eyes with a little quick maths that would NOT be acceptable and you would find your speed throttled).

Personally I can see why providers do throttle and apply limits, but within a few years that is going to have to change. Throttling at the moment depending on what form is used can kill any connection that just wants to stream a youtube video. If the future is online streaming HDTV like content then stupid throttle controls and silly under 100gig caps IMO is not the way forward, of course thats just my opinion.

I also believe if you do nothing but just browse web pages on the internet and send email like some broadband suppliers would like you to do. Then there is NO point in you paying say 15 quid (i use that figure as a rough average) per month for broadband.

If all you are doing is email and browsing, you could probably for the same price or not much more, with little noticed difference in speed do the same thing on a old fashioned PAYG dial up connection without worry of any type of contract or any type of download limit or peak/off peak time rubbish (of course you still have to pay per minute, but if you only browse and email your actual time online per month probably isnt much anyway). Thats just my opinion.

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Off topic, but in reply to your last paragraph. I moved to broadband when I noticed my POTS dial-up costs were more than the cost of a monthly broadband subscription. That would remain the case today. I am a typical light user.

Further i have just read...
quote "The P2P effect
P2P (Filesharing applications like BitTorrent and Kazaa) by their very nature are "dirty" protocols. This means they will consume as much of the available bandwidth as is available - give them an inch and they will try to take a yard! This has driven up total bandwidth consumption worldwide, as shown in the earlier diagram. Furthermore, the saturating effect of these applications will detrimentally impact the quality of all other traffic being consumed on the network at the same time. P2P is predominately a consumer orientated service, currently used to download music, videos or software (both legitimately and illegitimately)."

Im sorry to the Plusnet staff that post on this forum but calling any application in the 21st century a "dirty" protocol, when it does what for many years was a holy grail (That being give content on demand when and how the consumer wants it).

Not only shows your utter contempt for innovation but also shows exactly how you feel and your opinions on the future of any protocol/application that is capable of making the most of bandwidth that is available, to deliver content to users at great speed whenever they want it.

I wonder do they realise their is actually P2P services now which are legitimate that deliver HDTV like content, which only in a few paragraphs previous they were blabbering about how wonderful it would be on their network balanced and traffic identified network... hmmmm. Sorry Plusnet but you have lost my vote now, you cant call a technical break through in the way traffic is transfered over the net a dirty product just because you dont like the way it costs you money if lots of people use it.
Even some movie studios and industry admit they may have to provide P2P content in the future if they are to survive, infact Universal in a way already does.

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Off topic, but in reply to your last paragraph. I moved to broadband when I noticed my POTS dial-up costs were more than the cost of a monthly broadband subscription. That would remain the case today. I am a typical light user.

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I did say if you only browse and email, i take it you do more then that?

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talk about stupid and pedantic but also a misleading fountain of disinformation that skims over the facts. your nonsense posts take the biscuit

My posts are not nonsense at all, I have read sky

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My posts are not nonsense at all, I have read sky

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I have not at any point argued over silly little minor points (aka TROLLED) such as Plusnets free 1 month trial, which is clear about its facts you need to stay for 12 months to get that month free.

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Not being one to carry on a conversation beyond making my point, but I hardly call raising awareness of the fact that it isn't a free trial and that it isn't clear that it isn't free to leave plusnet if you aren't happy with the service, trolling.

Just because people don't adhere to your idea of free, open and honest does not justify you making personal attacks against other people on this forum. I suggest while you are looking up the definition of pedantic you also look up the definition of troll and then remember the old adage "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

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Yes they are. You're not posting from experience, just conjecture.

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Really and i assume you have experience of Plusnets FREE 30 day thing do you???
Or is that just conjecture and more useless info from you?
I would be thrilled to know

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Not being one to carry on a conversation beyond making my point, but I hardly call raising awareness of the fact that it isn't a free trial and that it isn't clear that it isn't free to leave plusnet if you aren't happy with the service, trolling.

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It is when you persistantly argue with isp staff over it when they have been upfront about the terms of said free trial. Its also trolling when you continue to post nothing on topic with relation to the original thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

please note this part: "Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, more often than not based on what they thought was said rather than what was actually said by the other person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others."
Looking at some of movies post history id say that sums him up nicely.
Fear not though I wont feed him anymore, there is after all a fine line between fat and obese.

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Really and i assume you have experience of Plusnets FREE 30 day thing do you

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I have plenty of experience with plusnet and sky - which you obviously lack. You're just posting based on what others have said. You don't -know-.