Checkmate

i did say "just to humour those who know better"

looks like the subtefuge worked!

Good point.

I amended my post as john is helpful - unlike the perpetual bombardment from the Entanet fanboys when it is mentioned that Entanet throttle their customers connections.

Edited by deleted (Fri 03-Aug-07 01:41:18)

BE don't throttle. It's possible that the speedtest you were using was busy or it could have been contention at the exchange.

I have noticed that Tony_Keith does seem to have some form of problem with entanet for some reason and as is his usual style has battered the word throttle to death in this thread. I personally would never recommend something that I haven't experience of myself

Edited by deleted (Fri 03-Aug-07 03:34:27)

I'm sorry, I mistook keith_thfc for Tony_Keith.

It was keith_thfc who clarified the preferred method of throttling by Sky.

BE don't throttle.

Precisely the point I was making.
I was highlighting that just because one may be getting reduced speeds because of momentary network incapacity (and it wasn't the speedtest that was causing the problem), it doesn't always count as throttling.
Remember, of course, that any exchange congestion [affecting BE speeds] is on the BE network, and as they only have around 40-50 users per exchange, it's unlikely to be local.
So, at the time I did the tests, BE's network was suffering from reduced speeds, due to too many users trying to download at the same time.
It's exactly the same end result [as with Entanet], only the reduced speeds with Entanet are achieved in a controlled manner, where BE's reduced speeds are uncontrolled, but do both count as "throttling".

I have noticed that Tony_Keith does seem to have some form of problem with entanet for some reason

He does seem to have some kind of problem, but I'm not sure it's just with Entanet
I think he's just attention seeking, and if we could all ignore him, he'd move to another forum and get his kicks there (maybe one involving the pros & cons of stuffed vegetables).

It's a shame, because this forum doesn't need the kind of venom spat out be certain people.
A work colleague stopped using this forum because he got so fed up with the attitude of some posters (who shall remain nameless).

OK, Entanet do have a speed limiting mechanism in place.
We all know that, and we all know what it's for (only, certain "contributors" like to bang on about its existence, and call it throttling, without accepting it's there for a reason, is idle for around 20-22 hours a day, and is viewed by customers as, generally, a good thing).
It's called ALT (anti-loss tool).
OK, it's a fancy acronym, and TK doesn't like them. So I propose, from now on, we call it a Derek (far easier to work out what it does, from that name).

I personally would never recommend something that I haven't experience of myself

Same here (except Newnet & IDnet - I recommend them because of the repeated good postings, and very few bad ones).

I certainly wouldn't slag off a service I know nothing about.
I have personal experience of, or have witnessed friends connections with; Plusnet, Eclipse, AOL, Tiscali, Talk-Talk, Metronet, BT, ACE, BE & Bulldog, so I feel qualified to comment on those providers.
Maybe TK would care to state his personal experience of Entanet connections & customer service.
If he has none, he should be toning down.

unlike the perpetual bombardment from the Entanet fanboys when it is mentioned that Entanet throttle their customers connections.

Maybe if certain "contributors" stated the truth (Entanet impose temporary speed limits, for 2-3 hours each weekday, to protect pings & limit packet loss, to keep time critical applications such as gaming & VOIP at normal performance), rather than just jumping it at every opportunity with the Daily Mail style statement "Entanet throttle" (Daily Mail style, as in that used for dramatic effect, and with little relationship to the facts)?

As I've aksed before (but don't expect you to be able to reply), maybe you'd care to provide a link (to a post on this forum) where an Entanet "Fanboy" has stated, within the last couple of months, that the ALT doesn't exist?

They/we are not "Fanboys" (and you accuse Entanet of using fashionable silly names for things).
They/we are Entanet customers who prefer to clarify and balance some of the junk non-Entanet customers like to quote.

Yes, Entanet do sometimes limit speeds to protect their users.
No, it is not so they don't have to provide so much capacity (their network sits well under capacity for around 20-22 hours each weekday, and they're adding centrals every few months).
Yes, it could technically be called throttling, but that would mean us having to state that every ISP throttles (because no ISP has enough capacity to meet full demand, with full speed 24/7, so if the limit of a 622Mbps central is reached, that ISP is throttling.

You still with AOL? Don't they throttle?
Weren't you stating (a few months back), that AOL don't throttle, and will not be in the future? Talk about a Fanboy!

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You still with AOL? Don't they throttle?
Weren't you stating (a few months back), that AOL don't throttle, and will not be in the future? Talk about a Fanboy!

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He did go very quiet after the FUP was imposed after the Takeover.

I am quite impressed with the Entanet method and if I weren't with BE would go with one of their resellers, as most people on this forum who are with them would reccomend them. I would rather be able to download at 4.6 mbit/s than have the speed on certain protocols restricted all the time as is the wont of some ISPs

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"Suspend, close down or restrict the whole or any part of the Services in order to carry out emergency or other repairs, maintenance and/or improvements or to prevent overload of the network or to preserve the safety, security or integrity of the Services and any Internet traffic conveyed "

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Now you're getting ridiculous, that sort of clause is standard in every ISP you care to mention. For example Be say in their legal section...

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Be may need to make changes to its network or the technical specification of a Service or may need to suspend provision of the Services for operational or technical reasons. Be will use all reasonable endeavours to notify you in advance of such changes or suspension if it materially affects your Services. Obviously we

Just tried to delete my post in response, but tis too late.

to you.