I have 2 seperate lines - one with BD, one with BE. Both are similar length and attenuation is within 3dB. So I don't have a direct comparison. However I'd expect any difference to also include minor differences in the modems.

I meant your attenuation is the same as the OP's which means the comparison of your line and his is close. I think ADSL2+ adds around 3dB to the attenuation.

Sorry, I'll pay attention.

The point is you may get a significant boost above 2Mbs. Also when I said Be, I'm actually on the O2 "basic" service (no caps, just limited to 8000/1300) - right now at 3933/952 @ 60dB atten. Was upto 4700 earlier in day.

Not bad at all - looks better than Bulldog. I think Be have some setting which improves performance - the one that breaks Draytek routers...