In reply to a post by RobertoS:

last Olympics, and more recently the Commonwealth Games held in Manchester.

More recently?

Last Olympics : 2008
Manchester CW games : 2002

In reply to a post by vivaciti:

I think your logic is a bit floored there, I see a forum on here for the post office!

Funny I guess you intended the pun seeing how you are based in a carpet shop?

The point is, you don't have a forum here because you don't qualify - the Post Office obviously do.

If you think you deserve your own space, take it up with the site owners.

Based in a carpet shop? We are not based in a carpet shop! You clearly don't have all the information you think you do!

So you didn't intend the pun?

>>They i belive have their own network too

My hunch is that the referral operators that market on ThinkBroadband don't have their own network and don't have a relationship with Telefonica but go via another firm, like Daisy or suchlike

Not sure this is the case with Vivaciti or Xilo and certainly isn't the case with A&A

Although, Be do have a partnership with Daisy, but that's partly due to other plans on the Be Wholesale side of things

In reply to a post by JonRennie:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

last Olympics, and more recently the Commonwealth Games held in Manchester.

More recently?

Last Olympics : 2008
Manchester CW games : 2002

Ah, being a yoga devotee I often type whilst standing on my head, so reverse the two citations.

More seriously, my addled brain slipped Manchester in because that's where I live and nowhere else counts. I meant the latest, 2010 in India.

In reply to a post by nredwood:

Not sure this is the case with Vivaciti or Xilo and certainly isn't the case with A&A

Although, Be do have a partnership with Daisy, but that's partly due to other plans on the Be Wholesale side of things

It is definitely the case with Vivaciti and Xilo - they resell Daisy's Be Wholesale product.

Which makes Vivaciti and Xilo et al fundamentally different to A&A. A&A are most certainly not resellers contrary to another post in this thread.

It also makes them fundamentally different to the Post Office and Orange. Lines become blurred, but neither the Post Office or Orange are what I would classify as resellers. Even on a white label managed BT wholesale service, they buy their own dedicated virtual path capacity in both major legs (they can even be different capacities!) and are in direct control and purchase of QoS policies, line profile policies etc, even though it is all BTw end-to-end. Contrast this with Vivaciti and Xilo et al who have no direct control of the product they re-sell from an intermediary and which they must share with other re-sellers.

For the end user, the quality of the chain is far more important than the structure however.

All of these are ISPs - an ISP is whoever the end user pays their money to or has their contract with. Someone tried to imply Daisy Wholesale are the ISP and not Vivaciti - while I get the distinction, I would say Daisy Wholesale are not an ISP whereas Vivaciti are.

In reply to a post by vimto_girl:

All of these are ISPs - an ISP is whoever the end user pays their money to or has their contract with. Someone tried to imply Daisy Wholesale are the ISP and not Vivaciti - while I get the distinction, I would say Daisy Wholesale are not an ISP whereas Vivaciti are.

I disagree, they are Resellers not ISPs - that's why they're in the Resellers forum.
If you call support, they will contact the ISP on your behalf - support is dependent on their priority, not yours.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

I disagree, they are Resellers not ISPs - that's why they're in the Resellers forum. If you call support, they will contact the ISP on your behalf - support is dependent on their priority, not yours.

A reseller is by definition an ISP. Daisy Wholesale by definition are not an ISP.

Support do not necessarily need to contact an intermediary - it depends what support they are giving you. Any ISP supplying ADSL is ultimately dependant on another chain somewhere. Even on an LLU end-to-end product, you have to join the Openreach queue. And whatever system and access Daisy has for resellers is super-fast I can assure you, things are done before you even have a response from for example Be Retail.

It makes perfect sense that on the TBB forums, Vivaciti are in the ISP section of the forum, under the sub-forum Resellers and other Providers with the description "For discussion about DSL providers who are not listed on their own". So please stop bleating on, you only ever make yourself look stupid and desperate.

You should have just stuck to staying Vivaciti do not perform their own routing and peering, but instead they resell Daisy Wholesale who in turn perform that to a far higher standard than Be retail. This would be the straight up truth.