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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 22-Jul-13 08:13:37
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faulty DVD/CD give BSoD in windows 8


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i am sorting out my disks and some of them are not in great condition as they are getting on a bit and been stacked in a pile. but what gets me is that when windows 8 can't read a disk it will give me a BSoD. i never had that on windows 7.

i do clean them before I put then in the drive, but some just don't work.

Never known a computer to BSoD, just because of a faulty disk.

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 22-Jul-13 10:38:54
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Sounds like a faulty device driver or the DVD/CD rom drive is somehow causing a hardware fault in the system. I've never heard or experienced this fault before though.

Any antivirus software installed?

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 22-Jul-13 12:55:06
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Re: faulty DVD/CD give BSoD in windows 8


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i managed to see the error the last time, it was something like driver irq not less or equal, storport.sys.

i use comodo antivirus.

I never heard of this problem either to be honest, I did not have it on windows 7, but then there are a few small problems with windows 8 I did not have with 7.

i been thinking of going back to 7 anyway, so maybe this will get me moving to reinstall it.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 22-Jul-13 14:17:12
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Re: faulty DVD/CD give BSoD in windows 8


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Unfortunately Windows has never been very good at dealing with fault CD/DVD's - usually Explorer just locks up though...
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 22-Jul-13 15:18:55
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Maybe so, but it should not reset the computer.

Oh well i will reinstall Directory opus, maybe that will do the job or just use the laptop as that have Linux on it.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 22-Jul-13 20:51:38
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Indeed - but unfortunately that side of Windows is poor.

It sounds like you could replicate it - one thing you could do to see if your CD/DVD drive is the problem is to use either another internal one or a USB one.

If it happens again then it might be worth contacting Microsoft and report a bug or two...
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 22-Jul-13 22:13:49
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In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:
Indeed - but unfortunately that side of Windows is poor.

It sounds like you could replicate it - one thing you could do to see if your CD/DVD drive is the problem is to use either another internal one or a USB one.

Easy to replicate, just put a dirty disk in the drive.

nothing wrong with the drive, i blame windows 8, never had the problem with windows 7.

If it happens again then it might be worth contacting Microsoft and report a bug or two...

contacting Ms is like contacting Talk Talk.

I think we need a decent OS, oh i wish I could get a decent video editor for Linux.

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 23-Jul-13 00:24:28
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Re: faulty DVD/CD give BSoD in windows 8


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In reply to a post by zyborg47:
nothing wrong with the drive, i blame windows 8, never had the problem with windows 7.

Was waiting for that all day!

Come on Adrian - don't be so naive. It is more likely nothing to do directly with Windows 8. I thought you was never ever using Windows 8 anyway?

You blame Windows yet don't use any alternative? Very strange logic.

What sort of PC is this anyway? Some old [censored] junk from 10 years ago? Buy a new computer for £300 or so, you won't regret it, and you'll start to love Windows 8.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 23-Jul-13 08:58:53
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Almost certainly bad hardware. The worst that would happen is explorer may stop responding, but if you crossed it off, explorer would just reload.

Windows 7 was probably masking the bad hardware due to different drivers in use.

Either this or the hardware is incompatible with windows 8 (not likely).
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 23-Jul-13 09:18:04
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In reply to a post by Pipexer:
Was waiting for that all day!

I am so glad i did not disappoint you then


Come on Adrian - don't be so naive. It is more likely nothing to do directly with Windows 8. I thought you was never ever using Windows 8 anyway?


Yeah, but I did not pay for it, so I thought I would give it a go. it is not a pirated version either in case you are thinking that.
if it is not a problem with windows 8 then why do Windows 7 work?

You blame Windows yet don't use any alternative? Very strange logic.


Because there is not a decent video editor on the alternatives, apart from OSx, but over priced comes to mind with that.

I have Linux on my laptop and I do have a second drive on here with Linux and do go back to it to see if the video editors on it have improved and they have, but not enough


What sort of PC is this anyway? Some old [censored] junk from 10 years ago? Buy a new computer for £300 or so, you won't regret it, and you'll start to love Windows 8.


Do you really think I would even put windows 7 never mind windows 8 on a ten year old machine? I have never had a ten year old machine as my main computer. Ok i do have a ten year old machine, but this is not it and that is a old 233 with windows 98 running and is used for my security cameras.

This machine I am using is about 2 and a half years old with some upgrades along the way.

It consist of a Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 XMS3 ram
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition 3.5GHz
Asrock 970 extreme 3 motherboard
Seagate 500Gb hybrid drive.

Then added 12 months after a corsair 128GB SataIII SSD unit.
Video card is now a Sapphire Radion HD6570 with 2GB of DDR3 ram

So I think it should cope with windows 8 ok, it may not be a top end machine these days, but it can still give my mates I7 a run for it's money when rendering video.

i expect there is a problem with a driver somewhere, but I don't really have the time to muck about with it, so if it don't work I will put the image i got of windows 7 back on, that will sort it out. Anyway, I am not using windows 8 as MS wants us to use it, I got a start menu on and don't have the metro showing, so I may as well go back to windows 7


i don't know why people get so defensive about windows 8.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 23-Jul-13 09:55:13
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If you want to quickly try Linux without putting your drive back in have you thought about installing Linux onto a USB flashdrive and doing a custom install and putting the linux boot manager onto the flash drive so the windows boot manager doesn't even know it's there,

As for win8 I can easily see it being a MS driver issue rather than a specific hardware one.

My dad was bought a new computer last Xmas by my brother and he has had Dell out every month so far to fix some issue or another due to win 8 problems with hardware issues and finally Dell admitted that Win8 was rubbish and they downgraded his computer to win7 and all the issues went away.

Don't know why people defend MS in general and win8 in particular as it is an absolute mess.

The whole project has gone wrong with $900 million of unsold surface sitting unsold that now are having an aggressive price cut to try and clear them.

Anyways I have gone to Linux and the only thing I use win7 for now is video editing as my video capture card being 5 years old will only work with pinnacle studio 14 as that has the driver built in.

Pinnacle 16 apparently does not and so when I can get round to it I shall be buying a new card that does work with Linux.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 23-Jul-13 10:39:20
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In reply to a post by undecidedadrian:
If you want to quickly try Linux without putting your drive back in have you thought about installing Linux onto a USB flashdrive and doing a custom install and putting the linux boot manager onto the flash drive so the windows boot manager doesn't even know it's there,


I got a 128GB Maxtor drive with Mint on that i boot up to now and again. I use the bios boot system to boot from it when I require it.

As for win8 I can easily see it being a MS driver issue rather than a specific hardware one.

My dad was bought a new computer last Xmas by my brother and he has had Dell out every month so far to fix some issue or another due to win 8 problems with hardware issues and finally Dell admitted that Win8 was rubbish and they downgraded his computer to win7 and all the issues went away.


I know it is not a hardware problem, it is certainly a driver problem. i would do a clean install but the problem is the hassle of doing so as it is not just software I have to reinstall, it is a load of plug-ins for Vegas and photoshop as well.

windows 8 do seem a bit faster, but it is not worth it if there are still problems. the update 8.1 seems more to do with the Metro Ui than anything else.


i know of someone who down graded from 8 to 7 or in his words, upgraded, they got a Laptop and needed 7.


Don't know why people defend MS in general and win8 in particular as it is an absolute mess.


I suppose it is like other things, people defend Android, apple and other products. If it works for them then fine.

The whole project has gone wrong with $900 million of unsold surface sitting unsold that now are having an aggressive price cut to try and clear them.


The Surface Rt is horrid, really limited, but then I find that with all tablets with a limited Os on, like Android and Ipads. i don't see the point in them, but some people do.

I know someone who got a Surface Rt because he thought it would be better than his laptop and he would not get viruses and stuff like that. which he don't, but he have found out how limited the RT is.

The pro looks better, but over priced.

Anyways I have gone to Linux and the only thing I use win7 for now is video editing as my video capture card being 5 years old will only work with pinnacle studio 14 as that has the driver built in.

Pinnacle 16 apparently does not and so when I can get round to it I shall be buying a new card that does work with Linux.
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I got a HD camcorder so all my files just get dragged onto the computer, no capture card needed, i have got one, well it is a TV tuner as well, but I don't use it these days.

Kdenlive is available on Linux, which may come up to Pinnacle standard, I have not see all used Pinnacle for years. Kdenlive is ok, but it falls below Vegas.


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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 23-Jul-13 10:49:00
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Windows 8 has probably installed the wrong drivers

I had a netgear wireless USB once and windows installed it as a Realtek card automatically. In device manager it saw it as Realtek not netgear. It was no end of problems, bsod all the time, then I installed the netgear drivers. Perfect.

Possibly something similar!
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 25-Jul-13 00:37:48
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Unfortunately no - once Explorer hangs, it is extremely hard to get a new instance running again.

I had trouble writing data as a USB drive today - some files would just stop copying with 0 speed, timer not going down etc etc

And lovely old Explorer hangs. Can't get Task Manager up (as Explorer has hung - even with the Vulcan salute). Fortunately Metro was still accessible, so you would think a quick logout and in would suffice, but no - the hard drive light was still continually on and a new DVD was still being seen as the old one - even though the new one was now blank and had no name.

Sp I had to reset the machine - which in turn caused problems with booting (hard drive detection was initially very slow). Its all okay now though in that regard.

Microsoft has released consoles and tablets, but still cant recover from a faulty DVD

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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Thu 25-Jul-13 01:30:47
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Any sort of BSOD code or message?

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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 25-Jul-13 12:15:41
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Wow never had this on my windows machine, I often had 100+ days of uptime and only restated for windows updated when I eventually felt they were absolutely necessary.

That was Windows 7 - now using osx which for me has been more buggy than windows was.

A bad disk just made my computer crash - I would cross it off. Explorer would close (start etc would dissapear) and then explorer reloaded. Happened a few times. Never needed a full reboot over it.

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(deleted) Thu 25-Jul-13 12:30:59
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I've always found Windows recover from a bad CD/DVD has always been extremely difficult - from Windows 95 to Windows 8, it's a problem.

Faultly hard drives recover has been fine though - usually have a limited time to recover anything before it totally packs in, but usually you can at least carry on okay...

From 10.5 (or was it 10.4?) , OSX has been rather flakey - I remember upgrading to, I think it was 10.6 and stability decreased quicker than a roadrunner escaping from a coyote. I found stability for OSX machines to be generally poor, which was one reason I went back to Windows.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 25-Jul-13 12:36:44
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On xp I definitely had a fair few bsod and lock ups during burning disks. If it failed mid way through the burning process it would hang for about 10 minutes and then bsod.

My newer machine didn't have these issues. I'd assumed windows 7 solved it but its probably down to the individual hardware more than the os, especially given I don't have these major issues now with different hardware.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Jul-13 09:08:23
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Any sort of BSOD code or message?


Only what I put above.

driver irq not less or equal, storport.sys

I done a complete restore now form scratch, the problems is I now have to stick all my software on, I did not want to do that, but it seems the best way.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Jul-13 09:09:34
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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
On xp I definitely had a fair few bsod and lock ups during burning disks. If it failed mid way through the burning process it would hang for about 10 minutes and then bsod.

My newer machine didn't have these issues. I'd assumed windows 7 solved it but its probably down to the individual hardware more than the os, especially given I don't have these major issues now with different hardware.


Annoying i must admit, done a complete reformat and reinstalled 8, going to test it it first before I put all my software back on.

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(deleted) Mon 29-Jul-13 15:47:14
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Its possible that cheaper DVD drives could cause the lock-up - but then it'll be case of dodgy coding there...
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Jul-13 19:19:46
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In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:
Its possible that cheaper DVD drives could cause the lock-up - but then it'll be case of dodgy coding there...



It is certainly not a cheap DVD drive, it is a LG blue-ray writer. Seems ok now, but I am not impressed that I had to reinstall windows. Stupid Microsoft.

They produce something that is better than the rubbish they was producing before and then on the next Os they go back to producing rubbish.

I have still not installed much software yet as I am still thinking of going back to windows 7.

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Standard User broadband66
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 30-Jul-13 14:12:58
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Re: Similar but not so annoying.


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I know this isn't a BSOD issue but sort of similar.
With my XP PC the USB card reader sometimes makes Explorer hang. Only way to resolve is to unplug the reader, reboot the PC, plug the reader back in and voila - usually all is ok but seems to be a strange occurrence.

This happens about 1 in every 10 uses of the reader. Why would it work in 9 cases and then throw it's toys out of the pram on the tenth? Drivers up to date and XP up to date.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 30-Jul-13 14:31:17
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Re: Similar but not so annoying.


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I have to say intermittent fault or bad drivers. Either way I'd be replacing it but then again I can't live with any instability from any device, especially as I do not turn off technology (just standby).
Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 30-Jul-13 14:31:54
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Have you tried older drivers? I often find the new ones can introduce new bugs.
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