Not impressed by Win 10 Auto-Updating!!

Got back to my Laptop, this morning, to find that it had Auto-Updated & needed a re-boot - which I duly complied with.

After re-booting, it informed that there were other "important" updates that needed to be installed/completed (presumably before I could get to the jobs that I needed to do on the Laptop), this I duly complied with!

After 2nd re-booting, it informed that there were even more other "important" updates that needed to be installed/completed (presumably before I could get to the jobs that I needed to do on the Laptop), this I duly complied with!

3 re-boots & a lot of downloading before I could use my Laptop!! Just remind me - Win 10 is "meant" to provide speedier start-ups so you can get on with your work, isn't it?

Anyway, thought that I would randomly check on the details of these ultra-urgent (stop-everything) type of critical updates.

At random I clicked on the history of one of them & it was described as:- "update to resolve issues in Windows. For a complete list of the "issues" see the associated Knowledge Base article". Clearly, if it "resolves issues", it must be hyper-critical?

As it was KB3081449, I checked up on this:- "This update improves the Windows 10 out-of-box experience"! IOW, there wasn't a single "issue" listed - so it appears that it has absolutely NOTHING to do with "resolving issues" &, hence, I really cannot see why it could be regarded as "Critical" - surely it is simply in the "nice-to-have" category that could have been installed at my convenience??

However, what I think is also interesting is that the KB goes on to say:- "we recommend that you install any language packs that you need before you install this update"!

So, according the MS's own Knowledge-Base, it should NOT have been installed until AFTER I've installed any Language Packs that I might need!!

So why didn't it ask me to review & agree the requirements BEFORE Auto-Installing??


NB:- I would also add that the KB makes NO mention of any specific improvement in OOBE, just leaves to vague generalisations!

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

However, what I think is also interesting is that the KB goes on to say:- "we recommend that you install any language packs that you need before you install this update"!

So, according the MS's own Knowledge-Base, it should NOT have been installed until AFTER I've installed any Language Packs that I might need!!

So why didn't it ask me to review & agree the requirements BEFORE Auto-Installing??

They probably expected that anyone old enough to have done the reboots has an appropriate language pack in their brain for use after completion of the updates.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 29-Aug-15 12:53:12)

I would guess that you've Windows 10 Home installed?? Please see attached LINK

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-releases-tool...

IF you are indeed to have HOME installed but wanted to have some controls over for MS Windows 10 auto-upgrade!

Hope this link may help!!!

Edited by deleted (Sat 29-Aug-15 14:00:26)

Best thing is to stay with Windows 7 or 8.1, at least you got more control over updates.

sadly that wont help, it can only manage updates that have already been installed, so is a bit of a joke of a tool.

win7/8 have updates once a month via patch tuesday and user has full control.

win10 I have on average been getting updates at least once a week which are automated, so disruption is way higher. Last week was 2 updates back to back.

Keeping win10-well away from production machines at the moment.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

win10 I have on average been getting updates at least once a week which are automated, so disruption is way higher. Last week was 2 updates back to back.

In the last week there has been updates on 6 out of the 7 days!! It really is getting stupid!

It's called beta testing.

That advanced?

I often wonder how they managed to make such a good job of Windows 7.

In reply to a post by micksharpe:

I often wonder how they managed to make such a good job of Windows 7.

How's about 6 years worth of patches etc etc? Might have something to do with it. By the way, Windows 8 and Windows 10 is still far more stable than Windows 7.

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

By the way, Windows 8 and Windows 10 is still far more stable than Windows 7.

I would dispute that !
I look after dozen Win 7 (all flavours) machines in my extended family, two used for daily work from home.
We have NEVER had a problem !
Mind you I install all updates manually, usually a week or 10 days later, having first checked for problem reports.

Currently I don't envision a move to Win 10 until July 2016.....
Regards,
Martin

It has given me very few problems. I even bought a copy before SP1 was released. Usually, I wait until SP2 before I buy any MS product. I think I'll wait for SP4 before I try Win 10.

In reply to a post by martinsq:

Currently I don't envision a move to Win 10 until July 2016.....

My thoughts exactly.

+1

10 is just a virus. I have gone back to 7 pro which is just the best one they did IMHO

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

In reply to a post by micksharpe:

I often wonder how they managed to make such a good job of Windows 7.

How's about 6 years worth of patches etc etc? Might have something to do with it. By the way, Windows 8 and Windows 10 is still far more stable than Windows 7.

Not for me I have a problem with NVidia drivers, all the Win 10 drivers crash my machine only the Win 8 V347.88 are stable. But Windows Update keeps wanting to install the new buggy drivers on my machine despite using rollback in device manager to get back to the Win 8 drivers. I think I have stopped WU from updating the drivers but it seems to stop all other updates including Virus Definitions. If I manually check for updates the driver gets installed so I have to rollback the driver ad infinitum.

In reply to a post by micksharpe:

I often wonder how they managed to make such a good job of Windows 7.

It's the tweaked, patched re-brand of Vista, that's why.

In reply to a post by martinsq:

I would dispute that !
I look after dozen Win 7 (all flavours) machines in my extended family, two used for daily work from home.
We have NEVER had a problem !
Mind you I install all updates manually, usually a week or 10 days later, having first checked for problem reports.

Currently I don't envision a move to Win 10 until July 2016.....
Regards,
Martin

So it would appear that you are disputing my statement that Windows 8 and 10 are more stable than 7 when you haven't even tried 8 or 10.

Interesting!

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

So it would appear that you are disputing my statement bland assertion that Windows 8 and 10 are more stable than 7 when you haven't even tried 8 or 10.

Allow me to correct that for you.

I haven't used Windows 8 but as far as I am concerned, for Windows 10 to be more stable than Windows 7, it would have to be [censored] good indeed.

In reply to a post by micksharpe:

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

So it would appear that you are disputing my statement bland assertion that Windows 8 and 10 are more stable than 7 when you haven't even tried 8 or 10.

Allow me to correct that for you.

I haven't used Windows 8 but as far as I am concerned, for Windows 10 to be more stable than Windows 7, it would have to be [censored] good indeed.

Saying Windows 7 is more stable than Windows 8 is just silly. You don't see people saying Windows Server 2008 is more stable than Windows Server 2012 do you?

If people have a problem with using the interface in Windows 8, that is a different matter, it is nothing to do with stability.

fwiw I believe that Windows 8.1 / Windows Server 2012 R2 is probably more stable than Windows 10 currently, but strongly suspect that will probably change in the next few months when the next "major" update comes out.

I do actually have considerable experience to back my views up but it would be wasted on the irrationality of the Windows 8 and Windows 10 haters, some of the comments about Windows 8 and 10 are just sheer nonsense and it is clear it doesn't matter what facts or figures I could present that people would be disinterested.

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

Saying Windows 7 is more stable than Windows 8 is just silly.

I didn't say that. I'm just speaking from my own experience which is running Win 7 on my desktop and my laptop, and I have found it to be very stable indeed. When I come to make the switch to Win 10, if it serves me as well as Win 7, I shall be delighted. For the time being, I am content to stand and watch the discomfort of early adopters as they struggle with mandatory updates.

Edited by micksharpe (Tue 01-Sep-15 00:47:01)

well it gets worse.

build 10532 available.
it downloads.
it does its preperation.
it reboots

Then the update screen appears, its the same screen as when updating from windows 7, so the feature updates = upgrade entire OS again including reinstalling drivers, so that bugged out process si repeated on feature updates.

Well I was watching it on the copying files stage, then at about 30% the system just rebooted, after it booted again, it said "restoring previous version of windows".

So it failed but I have absolutely no idea why, because the whole process is dumbed down with no reason given to the end user.

I love Microsoft's new generic error message:

Something happened

I do with they would give much more details for things - both for updates and error messages.

Apparently only business users will get more information about updates, for some reason. They should know what is in each update, so why cant they make accurate information available for everyone ?

Edited by deleted (Tue 01-Sep-15 13:24:20)

More stable than 7!!!!

I've only had 2 issues in 5 years. I still use XP on two PCs without any issues in the last 6 months.

W8 and 8.1 have big issues with many users and W10 seems to be causing huge disappointment.

Produce some figures then.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

well it gets worse.

build 10532 available......

You are not talking about the version of Windows 10 that most people are running but about Windows Insider Preview which is aimed at geeks who are (should be?) helping Microsoft to sort out bugs. It is test software - of course there are bugs!

We have been running the standard issue Windows 10 Home on two computers for over a month now. During that time 17 updates have installed without a hitch. The PCs are running fast and stable. Apart from a few glitches with Edge there have not been any problems at all. (Note that IE11, Firefox and Chrome all run normally.)

In reply to a post by broadband66:

More stable than 7!!!!

I've only had 2 issues in 5 years. I still use XP on two PCs without any issues in the last 6 months.

W8 and 8.1 have big issues with many users and W10 seems to be causing huge disappointment.

Issues like what?

Replying to entire thread, all this trouble could be avoided by using a stable Linux distribution such as Mint 17.2. Actually, would that be so "silly" while waiting for the Windows program to sort itself out?

Trevor Adcock

Don't you know?

wow what an error message, really informative

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Don't you know?

No, I am not aware of any real stability issues with Windows 8. Perhaps you can inform me of them.

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Don't you know?

No, I am not aware of any real stability issues with Windows 8. Perhaps you can inform me of them.

stable here to be honest, only one problem that is really pigging me off now is that it loses connection to the network and I have to reset the adaptor, that happens every hour or so. Fine with Linux, so certainly not a problem with the computer and fine with 7, but windows 8 and 10 it does it.

Anyway,k i had a look on the net today and found something about adding the gateway IP address manually, I have no idea why that needs to be done, but we will see if it helps.

As I said, I'm on W7 and am not aware of any stability issues with that either.

Google is your friend.

It's "Horses for Courses" really, I had a lagging Laptop, which I had on Win7 Pro 64bit - They transferred me to Windows 10 Pro 64bit, although I should really have done a clean install, I didn't, but I can do one later........

I have found the whole Laptop responds very well and is far better all round with Win10 and incidentally, to answer your first post, I CAN alter when the updates are done etc... I have only just found today, whilst checking your post and my laptop that I can actually schedule WHEN to do the updates, which is an improvement if I know I am getting up for a meeting or a break at a certain time etc.

It's not a special Laptop or anything, I am pretty sure I got it from Tesco when they did them, so it's quite old, it's an Acer Aspire 5738Z with only 4gb Ram and a 300GiB hard drive. The old windows7 which is kept automatically for you, along with a copy of all your settings as they were when you upgraded it are kept on the hard drive which is a tad annoying as this has taken the disk from about 100Gib if that to three quarters full at around 233GiB, so I will have to decide soon, or move the whole backup to either DVD or Portable Disk!!! But at least I suppose, for the time being I have the option.

only one problem that is really pigging me off now is that it loses connection to the network and I have to reset the adaptor, that happens every hour or so. Fine with Linux, so certainly not a problem with the computer and fine with 7, but windows 8 and 10 it does it.

I had something like this with one PC (think it's this one with Win7), and found that there was a setting to allow the ethernet to go to sleep. When it was told not to sleep, the problem disappeared (I too was alerted by Linux behaving differently)

" to answer your first post, I CAN alter when the updates are done etc... I have only just found today, whilst checking your post"

You seem to have replied to the wrong person.

OOOooooops!

In reply to a post by dandnsmith:

only one problem that is really pigging me off now is that it loses connection to the network and I have to reset the adaptor, that happens every hour or so. Fine with Linux, so certainly not a problem with the computer and fine with 7, but windows 8 and 10 it does it.

I had something like this with one PC (think it's this one with Win7), and found that there was a setting to allow the ethernet to go to sleep. When it was told not to sleep, the problem disappeared (I too was alerted by Linux behaving differently)

Tried that, tried to fix IP address and gateway address, still have the problem, I updated the drivers a couple of days ago, still get the problem.
I did try to go back to windows 7, but my USB3 ports had problems with it.
I am getting to the stage where I will stick linux on as my main OS and stick Windows onto the slower drive. It is only the video editing software that is keeping me with windows anyway.

Thanks anyway

Post deleted by MrSaffron

I currently have their snooping filtered on my router and I have managed to disable auto updates using only microsoft tools (so no hacking or messing around with code).

Users using the pro version can set windows update to notify when updates are available using policy editor, in addition microsoft released a tool that allows you to hide updates, these two things combined make the update system a lot more like previous versions of windows.

Regarding the filtering I am using ipset and dnsmasq on my router to block hostnames and ip's known to be used for the snooping, although its probably going to require someone to maintain the list as I expect microsoft will keep changing it in a game of whack a mole.

I posted details on kitz forum, so you can search for my posts there if curious.

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