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Not doubt it will be Windows 11. So what do people think of the early build? I was surprised when I saw it was going to be called Windows 11, since Windows 10 was going to be the last Windows. Anyway, my first thoughts.
Not found of the new start menu, not that I like Windows 10 start menu, but the new one looks worse, I am glad the taskbar can be changed back to the left.
When I ever update to it I will use a third party start menu like I do now.
It looks very macOS like with the rounded corners, it doesn't bother me if they are rounded or not, I don't really look at them. i have read that performance is slightly better than Windows 10, maybe they should do that with Windows 10 then.
At the end of the day, it is Windows 10 with some tweaks, I do like the new snapping feature, that looks useful.
My view with Windows is that MS added too much into it, certainly with Windows 10 and all the apps and other gunk like Cortana, I just want a OS to run the software I want to run, yes I know people are different and there are people out there that likes all the gunk and may use it, but then we should have a choice on set up.
While i would like to have a play with the new OS on another machine or even a virtual machine, I would not be in a rush to update this machine to it.
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There's a Webinar by MS on Win 11 on 24 June @ 11am ET. Think that's 4pm GMT.
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There's a Webinar by MS on Win 11 on 24 June @ 11am ET. Think that's 4pm GMT.
Have you not seen the leeks of it? There is a ISO out and there are videos of it on YouTube, it is an early version,
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I have seen the leaks in screen shot form on a few Chinese sites. I wouldn't DL the ISO never know what is in it. I might watch the Live Stream Launch see what they say. Looks like a Mac clone from what I have seen.
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I have read a bit about it, even downloaded the checker to be nosy and my all powerful machine with a load of ram and powerful video card is not compatible  . It seems to be happening to a lot of people.
Something to do with TPM2.0, but my machine has that, in the CPU.
Not bothered to be honest, I have little interest in updating to it, I do not like the start menu for a start.
just like to be nosy.
It is having the consumer version of teams, if you use Windows 11 home then you have to have a MS account and leave the machine connected to the net on set up.
Timeline is gone, not a bad thing.
Android apps will be in the store, no idea how they will run, I presume some sort of emulator.
Nothing there to get me excited, but then Windows have not got me excited since XP
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My desktop lacks a TPM 2.0 module but apparently you can get them from Scan although they are on back order for my Gigabyte Motherboard. Checker said not compatible but my laptop HP is compatible.
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I've enabled TPM 2.0 in the BIOS and it seems to be on but still not compatible. I wonder if there is a tool with more detail as to what is stopping it.
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My Desktop is now compatible. Problem was not TPM 2.0 but I was booting from MBR disk and not GPT. Once I ran MBR2GPT for Disk 0 in System32 on Win 10 and re-tested I was getting a green compatible but lost my dual boot option. Also I will have to lookup what WinRErepair is all about as the above advised me to run it.
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I had to look up a couple of acronyms there. Which then led me to having to look up "exabyte". That's a bit large.
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Yes apparently GPT partitions are the way forward especially with a UEFI motherboard. I've also got my dual boot back using a workaround.
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UEFI, which requires a GPT partitioned disk, makes multiple booting much easier, especially as it allows as many partitions as you want.
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I've enabled TPM 2.0 in the BIOS and it seems to be on but still not compatible. My desktop is too old for even a TPM add on option. Shame.
This requirement will also stop Intel Mac users from dual booting into Win11 as Apple hardware doesn't support TPM 2.0. They have their own incompatible chip in later Macs.
It is unclear if virtualisation (VMWare, Parallels, VirtualBox) will be able to provide a "software emulated" TPM - one to watch.
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The requirement is not TPM 2.0 (although that is recommended) but >=TPM 1.2. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibili...
You can install Windows 11 on VMWare or VirtualBox (e.g. https://techwiser.com/download-install-windows-11-vi... ).
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The requirement is not TPM 2.0 (although that is recommended) but >=TPM 1.2. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibili... Yeah, don't have one of those either. Cheap 2015 motherboard. Secure Boot is enabled and works well for years. Oh well
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I do, for Bitlocker: https://imgur.com/a/sRtoPYJ
Windows 11 encrypting drives by default would be a good improvement.
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I do, for Bitlocker: https://imgur.com/a/sRtoPYJ
Windows 11 encrypting drives by default would be a good improvement.
No argument from me, my laptops have always been encrypted, but not automatically desktops - but now in 2021 I don't see that as an issue as performance is so much higher.
My Asus B38M-G doesn't have a TPM and doesn't have a plug to add one. It is a 4th Gen Core i7 with 16GB RAM and SATA SSD, so goes pretty well, but can't really hold a candle to the latest 11th Gen i7's with M.2 SSDs.
More interestingly are the fairly new Mac laptops that people dual boot with BootCamp, which will not be able to run Windows 11. Apple won't care as they've moved focus to their new ARM architecture CPUs, and Microsoft won't care either.
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My Desktop is now compatible. Problem was not TPM 2.0 but I was booting from MBR disk and not GPT. Once I ran MBR2GPT for Disk 0 in System32 on Win 10 and re-tested I was getting a green compatible but lost my dual boot option. Also I will have to lookup what WinRErepair is all about as the above advised me to run it.
The checker is not very good, it seems to be more about getting people to buy new computers, it has a limited amount of CPU's in the list, so even if your CPU can one Windows 11, it will say it can't.
I can't remember what I formatted my drive to.
Anyway the more I read about Windows 11, the less I like it, not being able to move the taskbar would annoy me, I prefer mine at the top of the screen.
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I do, for Bitlocker: https://imgur.com/a/sRtoPYJ
Windows 11 encrypting drives by default would be a good improvement.
I only know a couple of people that uses bitlocker and they both uses it on laptops, my machine is not a laptop, so I have no need to use it or have my drives encrypted, which can be a pain in the neck. Bitlocker also only work on Windows pro>
I use Vera crypt for some usb drives that I sometimes take out with me, Veracrypt works on any version of Windows, linux and MAc.
Making TPM a must for windows 11 is stupid, just like forcing people with Windows 11 home to keep their computer connected to the net on set up and to have a MS account.
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Anyway the more I read about Windows 11, the less I like it, not being able to move the taskbar would annoy me, I prefer mine at the top of the screen.
That's annoying I prefer my taskbar on the right with pop out start menu. Might have a moan at the UI developer on twitter about that.
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There's a new health checker for Win 11 that gives more info.
https://t.co/hTWMe16DWO?amp=1
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TPM is only part of the issue, they've stopped supporting older processors from what it seems
https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/22549725/microsof...
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibili...
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/de...
My Asus Z97-A supports an add in TPM module (so I've ordered one, it was less than 10 quid), but my i7-4790 might not work. Shame, but we'll find out in due course. The machine has 16GB and 500GB NVMe boot device, and is plenty fast enough for me.
Win 11 runs happily in HyperV on it (not activated, and signed in with an offline account)
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I suspect that it's just "supporting" and that Windows 11 will run just fine on older processors.
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I suspect that it's just "supporting" and that Windows 11 will run just fine on older processors.
That is my understanding too. There will be an "unsupported CPU" warning that things may not work as expected but it should install.
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My Asus Z97-A supports an add in TPM module (so I've ordered one, it was less than 10 quid), but my i7-4790 might not work. Shame, but we'll find out in due course. The machine has 16GB and 500GB NVMe boot device, and is plenty fast enough for me. My machine is similar, i7-4790 CPU with 16GB RAM, and 500GB SSD (not NVMe) and runs very well with SecureBoot, UEFI, and GPT all enabled, just no TPM. Sadly I can't add a TPM module, no connector.
Well I've got a few years to buy a replacement
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I looked idly at a new motherboard, i9 and equal amount of memory and decided that if I can't get w11 to run, I can't justify the cost of a hardware upgrade - even if I did buy the this machine back in 2014/5, as this machine otherwise is still perfectly fast.
Only upgrade it has had was the boot 120GB boot m..2; replaced with the NVMe (to enable a few more VMs to run - rather than resorting to the 2TB spinny disk).
Additional googling seems to suggest the older CPU will work but just won't be in the supported list. I wonder if you might be able to pick up a replacement mobo as interim step.
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I wonder if you might be able to pick up a replacement mobo as interim step. Always possible, and something I considered. I'll watch and see what happens after launch and then maybe donate this as a good Win10 machine, and replace it. Win10 doesn't go out of support until 2025, at which point this machine will be 10 years old, which is a pretty good lifetime.
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I suspect that it's just "supporting" and that Windows 11 will run just fine on older processors.
Yeah.
I wanted a a peak at windows 11 just to be nosey, so I installed it on on another drive, sata 3 SSD on this computer and it runs fine with a Ryzen 7 1700, in fact it seems to be snappier than windows 10 on my NvME drive.
I thought I was going to hate it and this will be a shock to people here, I kind of like it, well some of it, the start menu is ok, and being in the centre seems to be better to be honest. Not fond of not being able to move it to the top of the screen.
It even activated on this machine, which is something I really did not want it to do,, but there you go.
Still not sure if I would use it for my main OS, there are things I like that will not work as they should or at all.
Not being able to have software using the taskbar is a small problem,.
i am using it to do this post.
yes, I am shocked as well.
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You can move the menu to the left, like Windows 10, and bear in mind that this is just a beta so a lot of things will change before the release version. You might even want to give some feedback to Microsoft about positioning the task bar.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSaJfudt8S4
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wow, got to be the Arm version.
I have found some things out by having a muck around.
Windows 11 will run without TPM and secure boot, turn them both off and it works fine.
It will not install with TPM switched off, but there is a trick that can be used to allow it to be if you require it.
It will install with secure boot turned off, not sure if it will install if there is no secure boot option in the bios.
I really don't see the point in TPM being a requirement,
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I've converted all my disks to GPT from MBR and installed on a partition on a second SSD. Runs quite well and is quite fast. Had to redo backups after GPT change.
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There is one of the Htler Parodies on Win11 ... well worth watching. However, with some of te language, Seb may object to a link.
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There is one of the Htler Parodies on Win11 ... well worth watching. However, with some of te language, Seb may object to a link.
I will search for it.
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I've converted all my disks to GPT from MBR and installed on a partition on a second SSD. Runs quite well and is quite fast. Had to redo backups after GPT change.
I thought all modern machines used GPT, the only machines I used with MBR was my mates old machines and that was over a year ago.
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Win 11 Cumulative update is out with a few fixes in it.
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Win 11 Cumulative update is out with a few fixes in it.
Quick to install as well, that is more like it,
Taskbar can now be put on multiple monitors, and they have a new search box in the start menu, along with a load of fixes.
Not sure about the search box, I never used the one on Windows 10, there need to be some way to disable it, I suppose that will come later.
I still can't get used to the new context menus in Explorer,, keep trying to find cut,copy, paste, rename and move to bin in the list, also WinRAR is on the more options.
i know it is still early days and things may change, but i would really like to be able to put Winrar on the main context menu.
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My Insider preview of Windows 11 is running perfectly on a couple of old Dell Optiplex supposedly incompatible machines. Never really loved Windows 10 despite helping to create it, but Windows 11 looks like a winner and restrictions like secure boot that can easily bypassed are more about software control.
https://ibb.co/Qr0cddv
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Yes, got the update on both of the old Optiplex machines I have it running on and would have no worries about it on my main PC.
https://ibb.co/Qr0cddv
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You don't need it. Just download Windows 11 insider preview ISO and install manually after joining as an insider. Also, search for appraiserrs.dll to swap out and all checks then bypassed!
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I'm missing a feature from Windows 10, unless I've overlooked something: https://winaero.com/always-show-tray-icons-windows-10/
Edit, the shell: run hack on that page works, it's missing from the main UI though.
Edit 2, the hack does not survive a reboot.
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Taskbar settings > corner overflow > click on for each icon you want displayed permanently.
https://i.ibb.co/88kZzJg/Screenshot-2021-07-09-18143...
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The point of that option was to avoid having to toggle every icon. Also future icons may have to be toggled too.
I can't see why Microsoft removed this useful switch.
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Leave feedback on the hub. Now is the time to get features you like added back.
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I found an existing feedback report: https://aka.ms/AAd5sux
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Good maybe it will get looked at. For some reason "My Account can't access this feedback".
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Strange, here it is: https://imgur.com/rwsNfS3
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Edited by Oliver341 (Mon 12-Jul-21 11:17:08)
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This is going to get confusing. MS have announced Win 10 21H2 in the Autumn when Win 11 21H2 launches. :|
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Don't you think they should continue to upgrade Windows 10 - particularly as many machines won't support Windows 11?
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Most likely new Windows releases are now a driver towards people getting newer hardware. I think very few if any new features will be backported.
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But I'm sure they'll keep up the half-yearly updates to Windows 10 until it is retired in late 2025.
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Yep, for security related fixes.
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Windows 11 running perfectly on three old supposedly incompatible machines here. I am now getting messages that upon releasee I will "Be advised" to do a clean install of Windows 10, so many machines will be happily running Windows 11, where secure boot et al which are all bypassible is more about software control than machine capability
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