Roughly how long to wait now?!

Sorry folks, but I'm a bit excited about getting fibre-ed up. Our exchange (Great Yarmouth EAGYT) has gone from "Future Exchanges" straight to "Accepting Orders". Our cabinet was joined by a second FTTC a few months ago. The latest visitor to the cabinet was someone from Morrisons who sat in front to the cabinet doing stuff. I walked past this morning when it was quiet and there's no noise coming from inside the cab.

Any ideas how much longer with these clues please?!

Sorry

You should have asked the guy at the cab...

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

You should have asked the guy at the cab...

That's a fair point, but I was driving away to go shopping (This was Saturday) and by the time we got back, he'd gone

The noise isn't much of one. A faint hum if you put your ear up to the vents, that's all.

What does this checker say for your phone number?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

What does this checker say for your phone number?

Annex M is best mentioned

Just checked a neighbouring cab and they're live with FTTC

In reply to a post by fatandpale:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

What does this checker say for your phone number?

Annex M is best mentioned

Huh, wt*? what has annex m got to do with FTTC ?
If the BT wholesale checker still say's no FTTC but just gives a placeholder date (same as exchange date ) then you could try this site Openreach where & when ( info only correct when they bother to update it) see what it says for your post code , it should give the PCP cab number that you are connected to ,
failing that you could always e-mail them [email protected] And they should be able to give you a better clue as to when your FFTC cab will be AO , that's assuming that they are still responding to equiries via that e-mail
So unfortunately there is no way of knowing as to the date that you will be able to order FTTC , maybe get yourself a crystal ball? or ask septic peg or was that mystic meg to have a look for ya

Edited by tommy45 (Sun 06-Jan-13 19:48:19)

Nothing at all to do with FTTC, but the question asked was what does it say about my phone number. Annex M is the best available service mentioned. No cab information on Openreach checker

I'd rather have seen a copy and paste, but no matter. The reason for this post is just to point out that Annex M is very often far from the best option for users. It is mentioned merely because it is now a standard BT Wholesale product.

But that's a whole different subject.

In reply to a post by fatandpale:

Nothing at all to do with FTTC, but the question asked was what does it say about my phone number. Annex M is the best available service mentioned. No cab information on Openreach checker

It's not sounding good on the FFTC front if no info regarding FTTC is available for your PCP , did you also try entering your address in the bt wholesale checker instead of only phone number? (To cross reference)
How far are you from the exchange,do you know?, just that there is a possibility that you are a( EO )Exchange only line, in which case there is usually no PCP along the route from exchange to your home, so FTTC does not cover these lines, But in the future (crystal ball time again) BT openreach may decide to roll out FTTP will headline speeds of 330mbps down and 30 mbps up, whoops the A** of Annex M don't it

Edited by tommy45 (Sun 06-Jan-13 20:40:46)

In reply to a post by tommy45:

It's not sounding good on the FFTC front if no info regarding FTTC is available for your PCP

I think the presence of a FTTC cab next to his is a good sign.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by tommy45:

It's not sounding good on the FFTC front if no info regarding FTTC is available for your PCP

I think the presence of a FTTC cab next to his is a good sign.

Then perhaps you should be able to enlighten the op and everyone else reading this thread, after all you seem to know for certain that the PCP in question is where the op's D'side pair terminates , that's if of course they have a D'side pair But all bt checker info suggest perhaps this info is maybe incorrect The op's line may not be routed via that PCP (Or perhaps someone is basing their assumptions on the leaked (outdated openreach document)
Not only this but a DEAD unpowered FTTC cab could end up being removed, and there have been some that have been removed ,
Just as the initial rollout plans changed in each area, so some cabs that initially where planned to get FTTC never did get installed ,
So until it has power and it's fibre spine in place,the FTTC cab means very little to the end user,Speculate all you want
How is that any better news than the open wound blurb publish 4 times each year?

Edited by tommy45 (Sun 06-Jan-13 21:23:04)

Ooo, you're so negative.

It's definitely where my d-side pair terminates

lol

In reply to a post by fatandpale:

It's definitely where my d-side pair terminates

lol

well until it has power and it's fibre spine in place,the FTTC cab means very little, As far as being able to order a FTTC product goes, Contact openreach via that e-mail NGA. enquiries is really all you can do to find out any more upto date info, As it'snot info that we the humble end user or even isp's are privy to in most cases , as openreach like to treat it as a top secret mission

In reply to a post by tommy45:

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by tommy45:

It's not sounding good on the FFTC front if no info regarding FTTC is available for your PCP

I think the presence of a FTTC cab next to his is a good sign.

Then perhaps you should be able to enlighten the op and everyone else reading this thread, after all you seem to know for certain that the PCP in question is where the op's D'side pair terminates , that's if of course they have a D'side pair But all bt checker info suggest perhaps this info is maybe incorrect The op's line may not be routed via that PCP (Or perhaps someone is basing their assumptions on the leaked (outdated openreach document)
Not only this but a DEAD unpowered FTTC cab could end up being removed, and there have been some that have been removed ,
Just as the initial rollout plans changed in each area, so some cabs that initially where planned to get FTTC never did get installed ,
So until it has power and it's fibre spine in place,the FTTC cab means very little to the end user,Speculate all you want
How is that any better news than the open wound blurb publish 4 times each year?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results/id/1... http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results/id/1...

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The OP has a telephone number recognised by the BT Wholesale checker.

Therefore he has a D-side pair.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 06-Jan-13 23:39:20)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

The OP has a telephone number recognised by the BT Wholesale checker.

Therefore he has a D-side pair.

The BTwholesale checker would also recognise EO lines too, unless they where MPF (Full llu) and if an EO line it wouldn't have a D'side pair, as they only run from pcp's
But the OP has confirmed that it's not an EO line, And i was aware that the checker recognised the number they entered , But as it did not give any info ( placeholder blurb) for FTTC I suggested that the OP tried entering their address and post code instead, just to cross reference ,As the BT Wholesale checker always provides upto date and accurate info output for telephone number input alone, doesn't it?

But as i said if theres not info for FTTC on the various other checkers such as the infinity checker,(again best to use address instead of number) It's not looking very promissing for the cab to go AO anytime soon , because they usually allways will give a placeholder date,(although they can mean very little sometimes)

In reply to a post by fatandpale:

It's definitely where my d-side pair terminates

You're better off emailing the nga team at openreach - you'll be peeing into the wind otherwise..

For example, the FTTC cab I'm connected to was installed Feb/March last year, but I was only able to order in late November.

There are a myriad of reasons why a given FTTC cab hasn't been made active, usually it comes down to blocked ducts which sometimes need road closures or roadworks to clear, and those can take months to arrange with the council.

In reply to a post by tommy45:

The BTwholesale checker would also recognise EO lines too, unless they where MPF (Full llu) and if an EO line it wouldn't have a D'side pair, as they only run from pcp's

A fair point, so long as it is correct, which I don't know. Sounds logical however.

But as it did not give any info ( placeholder blurb) for FTTC I suggested that the OP tried entering their address and post code instead, just to cross reference ,As the BT Wholesale checker always provides upto date and accurate info output for telephone number input alone, doesn't it?

On the other hand, that and your later reference to using the address checker for cross-reference doesn't sound logical at all, being self-contradictory. Plus the address checker specifically says:-

Please note that the address checker is less accurate than the telephone number checker because the result is not based on an individual telephone line at the premises. BT's ability to provide Broadband to your address is dependent on the presence of an existing BT line and other factors, including the availability of broadband at your serving exchange, and the length of the line connecting you to the exchange.

I have never seen anyone on these forums ever suggest using the address for any purpose once the number of existence of a live "BT" line to the premises has been established.

Actually that last point is true but strange. It is worthwhile during the first 2-3 days after the allocation of a fresh number. The OP's number does not satisfy that criterion.

I've sent an email to DGA team as you suggested, will report my findings if any. Thanks all for the assistance. I can assure you our line is not EO (3KM cable run). I'm certain of which cab we are connected to because I once carred some tools to it for an OR Engineer because parking outisde it was a sod.

Well the reason that i suggested inputting the address instead of number, was because i have known doing so has given completely different results, regarding FTTC availability example -Number input shows nothing about FTTC

(BTW all the other checkers where also showing nothing for FTTC based on number only)

But checking by addrress it's output was = FFTC available, (cab AO) But a week later inputting number only would give AO info , So the BTW checker doesn't always follow logic or give complete info from number input
So i hope this explains why i suggested cross checking via address input,

Edited by tommy45 (Mon 07-Jan-13 12:50:39)

Fair enough.

Morrisons is the electric contractor to pair the cab to mains..

I`m moving to St georges area fairly soon and also want FTTC. I live over Gorleston and the cab I connect to was suppose to be enabled last March!

I'm on the cab next to Great Yarmouth Glass...

Still no reply from NGA team, anyone emailed them recently and can give me a time frame?

Ta

Its usually about 7-10 days as you will get the automated email and they will reply, with the volume they get it proably takes them a good while to get through.

Ho hum... Hope it's sooner

Thank you for your email


Information about the commercial fibre project can be found on the rollout site :-
http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/


In your locality work is ongoing. Currently this is awaiting power and other works, and the estimated date for cabinet eagyt15 enablement is close April 2013 assuming there are no issues.

Please register your interest on the website as this helps us assess local demand patterns



Many thanks

Cab 15, Same cab as mine

So their saying April 2013.

Hope so

Anyone interested in this particular Cabinet, I emailed NGA team again and the date's been pushed back to July 2013. I believe to only remaining works to carry out is the connecting cable between the DSLAM and the old copper cabinet (Is there any way to tell when this has happened visually from the outside?)

Is there any way to tell when this has happened visually from the outside /

No, you would need to see inside the copper cabinet.

OK...

Did my regular weekly check this morning (definitely not daily!!) and all mention of FTTC has disappeared from the BTW checker. Does this mean that after doing all the work, OR have changed their mind?!

Possibly, but very unlikely. Estimates often disappear and reappear some time later, sometimes this also happens just before the cab goes live. Nothing to worry about.

I have some bad news. That telephone cab next to the fttc needs replacing, to do the work the wall the cab backs to has to be removed. There are no tails from the fttc to the existing tel cab and two teams have already took a loom and walk away. On a plus side the homeowner who owns the wall has granted BT open reach permission but this is classed as problem cab. I too run off this cab but I also have inside knowledge of the issues.

Funnily enough, I was just thinking this the other day. A BTO Engineer I had out for a broadband fault a couple of years ago said the Cab was FUBAR, and would need to be replaced at some point.

Do you know if the original timescale will still apply of 31st July for activation?

Edited by deleted (Mon 10-Jun-13 13:51:58)

The contact I have is the ones who changes the cabs, they have no order to change this at the time of writing.

Experience tells me this date will slip again and I predict an end of September slot.

[censored] I know but with the information I have and the past experience of cab date movement on a problem cab (I moved from gorleston and cab 17 was also a problem cab and was one year overdue).

OK mate, thanks for the information. Be very grateful for an update as you get one

Well Well Well.

I`m the bearer of great news.

First of all I`ll give you this little treat:-

"[email protected]
5 Jul

to me
Dear Mr Thompson,

Thank you for your email.

The completion date for Great Yarmouth PCP15 is early-August 2013

Please be aware that the engineering work required to commission a Fibre Broadband cabinet is often complex and should conditions on the ground change, there is a risk that the delivery date may be effected. Please track the date for commissioning through the line checker of your chosen service provider.

Regards"


And now for the best news of all take a look over at roadworks.org

Just looked on roadworks.org and they have planned roadworks for 2nd of August to 6th of August to replace the old and decrepit PCP

So orders in after 6th imminently then

Doh, just read the bottom part of your post!

No worries, Exciting Times!

Now who to go with, i`m looking at Plusnet myself, currenlty with Sky but their Sky Fibre Pro is £30 a month without Telephone

I'm with Plusnet with no contract at the moment... They've been bobbins for online gaming (My Battlefield 3 hasn't worked properly in the evenings for months)

Plusnet is very very good value, though

And now its been removed from roadworks.org and cab 33 they were working on moved to start October!

Fun and games continue, this bares all the hallmarks of cab17 in gorleston all over again. I called that situation the stick and carrot, ill let you make your mind up as to why

That completely blows. They've kicked this cab back three times now. Are you emailing NGA again to find out what their problem is?

Nah had enough, by all means i`ll let you contact them and give us an update but as far as im concerned i`ve been through this all before based on previous experience.

LOL - NGA Team have given up also it seems. Never have so many words been used before to say so little:

Exchange Gt Yarmouth

Cabinet 15



The exchange that your line is fed from Gt Yarmouth is enabled and accepting orders for cabinets that have already been deployed.

However the cabinet feeding your line PCP 15 is not due for deployment until Phase 9a Which is Q2 2013/14, (Aug-Sep 2013) the cabinet in question is current planned as FTTC.

Please be aware that the engineering required to commission a Fibre Broadband cabinet is often complex and should conditions on the ground change, there is a small risk that the delivery date may be effected. Please track the date for commissioning through the line checker of your chosen service provider.



Many sites that show Fibre Broadband availability dates only show when the Exchange goes live and not individual cabinets off that particular exchange.



I hope this helps to clarify why the site you are obtaining this information from appears to be giving conflicting information.

Can`t organise a P!!! Up in a brewery, the confliciting information that guy speaks is from their own NGA team...

And whats this speak of Aug-Sept then says Q2 13/14? Is that not conflicting in itself?

As I say been through this all before with them and to be honest i`m now looking at a directional wlan system with a mate on Virgin cable, looking at buying 100mb at his house and routing it here. He`s not far.

Edited by deleted (Sat 03-Aug-13 11:03:07)

This is precisely what I'm doing with a friend who lives a few streets away, using 5Ghz outdoor wifi kit to link up, he'll only be able to get 30meg FTTC but that's still a considerable improvement on my current connection!

In return I'm paying for the FTTC service which he can use for free, and paying his line rental as a good will gesture.