Cab Query LWHAM\P25

Hi there,

my Cabinet (P25) is down to be upgraded as part of LEP PLUS 15b. Just recently the OpenReach When & Where site switched to Journeystage 5 (Build) and I can see lots of surrounding activity on roadworks.org (Laying polyducts everywhwere).

Any idea when I'm going to be able to order Fibre?
Postcode is W6 0RF

Cheers,
maui

You'll just need to keep an eye on the Openreach where and when site and the BT Wholesale DSL checker.

The build could go smoothly and fibre be ready in a few months. There could be delays and it could be 6, 12, 18 months or longer before it's ready.

Hammersmith Cabinet 25 is due to go live by October 2016.

In general, once a cabinet reaches the build stage it takes around 5 months to go live - but can be quicker or slower than this.

That October date on Codelook is based on the cabinet being at "field survey" (expected within 9 monts) when the last data was input into the codelook database. (January plus 9 months is October). Codelook shows on the front page when the latest dataset is from.

You'll find when codelook next updates, it will show a go live date of 5 months ahead of the month that the data is from.

Edited by deleted (Tue 23-Feb-16 14:09:38)

they tend to have the live dates forward by at least 12-18 months (most of the time its 1-3 months from once the work has started assuming there are no problems then it can be lot longer)

they wont provide real approximate times due to about 10 or so people complaining to ofcom about slipping live times, so Openreach fix was it be live in 2 years even if its live next week

as i found out with a business customer FTTC install we nearly had a lease line installed even though the cab was installed and lived very stealthy

BT did not even give us an estimate they could see the other side of the dual carriageway had FTTC and said that it may be unlikely you get FTTC (probably fiber to the industrial units as most of them have dark openreach fiber),1-2 months i noticed FTTC cab had appeared and 3 and half weeks later we had it installed (after one failed order and 1 near failed install as the engineer turned up across the road at another industrial unit but lucky enough he had my number, well not lucky i made sure i was on the order)

we got 40/10 with option for real 80/20 if needs be due to distance to the cab so close

Edited by leexgx (Tue 23-Feb-16 19:03:26)

It could be worse and you get put down for FTTP as part as the Commercial Project, you are pretty screwed and have to wait for yours in favour for BDUK projects to finish.

Our area (i.e. half our road and some side roads) are down for FTTP and have all the hardware installed, just not activated yet and that started 50 months ago (over 4 years) BT say it will be done, just no exact completion date yet.

Paul

its like NTL in some areas they installed all the ducts and even empty cabs but never put the hardware in them

but Openreach is doing most of the fiber on the poles but then not bothering to link them up in some locations mind boggles (no ordering of them)

but this is what seems to be the problem with FTTP is seems its really only for New builds, every where else is VDSL unless it's not feasible then you might get FTTP in 1-10 years

In reply to a post by leexgx:

its like NTL in some areas they installed all the ducts and even empty cabs but never put the hardware in them

but Openreach is doing most of the fiber on the poles but then not bothering to link them up in some locations mind boggles (no ordering of them)

but this is what seems to be the problem with FTTP is seems its really only for New builds, every where else is VDSL unless it's not feasible then you might get FTTP in 1-10 years

Oh we are viable, BT/BTOR have both said in may occasions that we are viable and that it will be done and is still being upgraded (even though its been 4 years) and I get the end of the month speech, but saying that, since I got my local MP involved things have been moving along due to we had BT's Fibre Engineers throughout July last year down our road and side roads replacing all the fibre cables linking all the FibreDP hardware in the chambers all together and we also had their fibre splicer dude splicing fibres, now there is some work being done outside our exchange to-do with fibre and those dates tally up with what I have been told.

So I am just hoping.

Paul

Seems they have just finished putting up the new Cabinet (ie the one on the right in the pictures). Is that how they do it nowadays (I tought they would replace the old cab)?

Let's see how long it takes to go from the Building stage to "Accepting orders"

Cheers,
maui

Nah the old cabinet doesn't get changed unless it's falling apart pretty much. The new cabinet has all of the new technology in it and there's simply a bunch of copper cables connecting the old and new. Fingers crossed it shoulnd't be too much longer.

The just switched to the "Connecting" stage, estimating fibre availability within the next four months.

Does it really take that long? What could possibly take another four months when the Cabinet is built and connected?

I've seen cabinets stuck at this stage for more than 4 years . 4 months is just a finger in the air date. Could be done next month if they can get round to it and there are no issues

Wow...that's concerning.

So they are going around putting up new cabinets and then leave them there until they come back full circle?

Anything I should be looking out for (more roadworks, maybe by the power company?)
I noticed there is lots of polyduct laying activity in the vicinity (which could mean nothing since the exchange is pretty close too)

The joys of a large infrastructure project, where one cabinet is not important, but getting the overall amount enabled is. i.e. rather than have teams waiting around, they keep them busy so the team for the next stage on a cabinet are not always waiting in the wings to pounce, but more likely to be elsewhere busy doing another cabinet.

Roadworks.org just turned up "
Connections Projects:NEW SUPPLY SCHEME: (APPROX DEPTH 450mm-600mm):INSTALLING A TWO 100AMP THREE PHASE SERVICES" for May 11th. Pretty sure it has to be the new Cabinet as there's really nothing around that would need a new supply scheme.

Fingers crossed.

3 phase supply, don't think so unless they have mis-described it

Maybe local area has hit a limit, so an upgrade to local supply and then the a feed for the cabinet.

Sounds plausible (to me). The new cabinet was built on the inner side of the footpath facing the old PCP street side. I would guess they will change/upgrade the power supply of the existing cable leading to the neighbouring apartment building.

I want to believe

Yep, it was something else. This sounds more like it:

roadworks.org entry

Wonder if there will be another Roadworks entry for the actual connection to the PCP (I still suspect they might have done the cabling when they set up the new cabinet in the first place)

There have been some Roadworks on the Cabinet (One explicitly mentioned connecting Power and another was some more poly-duct laying). Nothing seems to be planned in the immediate future.

So I am wondering whats happening next. Can anyone give me a bit more insight on whats missing forP25 in W6 0RF to go live?

Power seems to be connected now. I don't think there is a security lock yet, but is that actually required for all active cabinets?

Codelook has the Cabinet down to be live in August. Nothing on roadworks.org
I would really appreciate if someone with a bit more "insight" could tell me what the current status of the cabinet is.

Cheers,
maui

. I don't think there is a security lock yet, but is that actually required for all active cabinets?

Yes

Hmmm good to know. Do you have any more insight into the current status of P25 on LWHAM. It looks ready to go and August is approaching (I know...it's just an estimate) and I really want to know what's left to be done until it can go live.

"Locate and excavate 1 blockage in existing duct in footway" ...there seem to be a lot of them. So I assume all of those need to be cleared so they can actually pull in the fiber to the Cabinet. Hope they can still deliver in August.

Well they will be cutting it fine if they did get it all done in August.

I can see the following jobs to be done around Broadway Shopping Centre, if that's the area you are referring to.

Date: 5 Aug - 9 Aug
Location: A219 Queen Caroline Street, London, Hammersmith And Fulham
Description: Install 3m of 1 way poly duct in Footway,locate and excavate 1 blockage in existing duct,Provide 2 core drill(s) into jointbox or building

Date: 25 Aug - 26 Aug
Location: A219 Queen Caroline Street, London, Hammersmith And Fulham
Description: We need to get into boxes in the road to allow as to pull in a new fibre cable working 22:00 to 05:00 for one night see attached drawing

Date: 25 Aug - 26 Aug
Location: A306 Hammersmith Bridge Road, London, Hammersmith And Fulham
Description: We need to get into boxes in the road to allow as to pull in a new fibre cable working 22:00 to 05:00 for one night

Date: 25 Aug - 26 Aug
Location: A219 Queen Caroline Street, London, Hammersmith And Fulham
Description: We need to get into boxes in the road to allow as to pull in a new fibre cable working 22:00 to 05:00 for one night

But it might be possible.

Paul

Hmmm, to be fair I have no idea. Those roadworks seem a bit off, but I don't know how they intend to route the fiber. The exchange is closer to my postcode.

Here's a map of the elements I know. P25 is my Cab.
Hammersmith FTTC Map

Most Cabs around King Street seem to be enabled...wonder why they passed P25 without enabling it during the first pass.

Judging from the Codelook data here they have only managed to finish one cabinet in 2016 so far. This looks not very promising...

Edited by deleted (Tue 09-Aug-16 10:21:42)

The latest roadworks sounds more like it:

Location: A315
Description:
INSTALLATION OF POWER DUCTING AND POWER CONNECTION TO BT CABINET
Works ref: BC005KN1WHAMERSMTH25-SW1
Current status: Work in progress
Roadworks, delays possible
17 Aug - 22 Aug

Pin is right where my cabinet is. Wonder if it's just power or if I will have to expect more roadworks for the actual fiber (especially since there are multiple live cabinets on the same street I expect the fiber to already run the entire sidewalk)

In reply to a post by mauimauer:

Pin is right where my cabinet is. Wonder if it's just power or if I will have to expect more roadworks for the actual fiber (especially since there are multiple live cabinets on the same street I expect the fiber to already run the entire sidewalk)

Yup, Roadworks can be spot on some times.

Also your exchange is >> here << if you didn't already know.

As for more work, you will have to see after that power connection work has completed, you could also take a walk down there when they are installing the power and take a sneak look LOL.

If there is loads of blue cord in there, there is a good chance no fibre has been pulled through yet.

Paul