OR Ultrafast Price

Openreach has release a new price list for g.fast ultrafast broadband witrh two products 160/30 and 330/50.

https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefi...

Pilot pricing from 9 January 2017 onwards

£49 for Managed Engineer Install with CP Device, £99 for Managed Engineer Install with Openreach Modem
£9.95/month rental for 160/30Mbps and 330/50Mbps

Edited by adslmax (Thu 27-Oct-16 18:23:36)

yes they do, skipped it as its only pricing for the pilot which are usually priced cheaper than full live services.

Will OR will add g.fast on my cabinet (VDSL2 80/20 to 330/50 next year?)

As its your cabinet I am certain they won't just to upset you personally.




Or put another way - no one knows probably not even Openreach

In reply to a post by adslmax:

£9.95/month rental for 160/30Mbps and 330/50Mbps

I am assuming its a typo on their site due to they talk about the speeds at the top and it has 330/30Mbps so I am assuming the 50 should be 30.

Mind you 50Mbps up would be nice
Paul

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Or put another way - no one knows probably not even Openreach

This could be the case, they still seem to be having issues enabling our FVA LOL.

Paul

It has long been touted that 330/50 will be the service.

I expect the FTTP top package to come in to line with that once the service is fully rolled out.

U must be lucky Paul with your BTBroadband Infinity 4 with 310Mbps (down) and 31Mbps (up)

No typo the G.fast service is looking at 330 Mbps down and 50 up.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

It has long been touted that 330/50 will be the service.

I expect the FTTP top package to come in to line with that once the service is fully rolled out.

Oh ok, I know FTTP was due a boost when G.FAST starts to be rolled out, I was also told the downstream will increase to like +550Mbps and the up was in the range of 50 to 72Mbps (why they said 72 I have no idea, magic number maybe?)

But 300 Mbps down and 30 Mbps up is fine us, not saying I would refuse if we got more up

Paul

In reply to a post by adslmax:

U must be lucky Paul with your BTBroadband Infinity 4 with 310Mbps (down) and 31Mbps (up)

Not during peak times we are not LOL, we loose up to 80% of that 300 from 5pm to midnight and over the weekends.

BT say it isn't an issue until our speed goes down below 20Mbps (i.e. 6.6% of speed) LOL.

This is it now:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
and
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Sort of congested, but not that bad.

But still better than what we got on ADSL2+

The first few hours we was doing tests to see how quick stuff would download, yes I know that's sad LOL.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Thu 27-Oct-16 19:00:24)

i assume the business will determine where it will gain most return from its investment

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Not during peak times we are not LOL, we loose up to 80% of that 300 from 5pm to midnight and over the weekends.

BT say it isn't an issue until our speed goes down below 20Mbps (i.e. 6.6% of speed) LOL.

This is it now:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
and
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Sort of congested, but not that bad.

But still better than what we got on ADSL2+

The first few hours we was doing tests to see how quick stuff would download, yes I know that's sad LOL.

Paul

Surprised it slows down that much!

Well, when it comes to a real area and not just a poncy part of Swansea then I will see if I can get it

But I won't hold my breath.

In reply to a post by adriandaz:

Surprised it slows down that much!

Well I don't check it all the time, but I have seen it drop from 310Mbps down to 65Mbps, granted its still a good speed (i.e. its still 13x faster than what we had before), but it was just a shock due to I have never had a high enough speed to see congestion.

I know its not the fibre from us to the exchange due to there is only about 5 of the possible 32 split fibres used and I know that 2 of them are on Infinity 1.

So my guesses are BT are cramming too many connection together.
But saying that, I do recall an engineer saying something about our exchange being a mess and not enough fibres at the back end (I think they called it that) so maybe that caused the speed issue. I know that about ~13K lines out of the ~25K lines are still waiting for fibre, which was down for FTTP the same time as us.

So overall I am still happy with this fibre connection, so far we have been able to still do what we want during those peek times, so no complaints from us.

Paul

In reply to a post by 23Prince:

Well, when it comes to a real area and not just a poncy part of Swansea then I will see if I can get it

But I won't hold my breath.

Well I was told when G.FAST starts to be rolled out that the remaining lines on our PCP cabinet that didn't get FTTP when we did, this was told by a couple of engineers I have spoken to and also confirmed by Openreach when I have spoken to them on the phone.

Our Exchange has in the past been used for pilot schemes and was told they will be later on.

However this won't affect me at all due to we are on FTTP, unless they want to pilot higher speeds which I wouldn't mind LOL.

But like you put it, I won't believe it until I see it.

Paul

So my guesses are BT are cramming too many connection together.

It seems that technically they aren't cramming enough together. It is a shared service and is not sold as you getting the full speed the whole time. If a previous post is correct and 20Mb is all they guarantee then actually they are still providing 3 times the speed than they actually need to so could oversubscribe it further.

It you want to get full speed all the time then you have to spend significantly more on a lease line with 1:1 contention. If you pay consumer prices then you should expect to see contention and BT are not cramming "too many" connections together but are correctly running their services.

Post deleted by adslmax (reply to the wrong person)

Edited by adslmax (Fri 28-Oct-16 17:40:31)

Got email from openreach ian binks was confirmed that my exchange cuckoo oak will be bringing g.fast to 27 cabinets by 2018.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Got email from openreach ian binks was confirmed that my exchange cuckoo oak will be bringing g.fast to 27 cabinets by 2018.

Nice

Paul

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Got email from openreach ian binks was confirmed that my exchange cuckoo oak will be bringing g.fast to 27 cabinets by 2018.

That's *really* interesting: It gives us some idea of the way that BT are thinking about cabinets...

Right now, codelook tells us that:
- Cuckoo Oak has precisely 27 cabinets, and no remaining EO bundles.
- 15 cabinets were given FTTC commercially
- Those 15 cabinets are the only ones currently live
- 11 cabinets have been planned for FTTC, subsidised by BDUK. Not yet live
- 1 cabinet has no NGA plans at all.

So... Openreach appear to be planning to put a G.Fast pod at every single cabinet. And that includes cabinets that have been upgraded commercially, cabinets that have been upgraded with BDUK subsidy, and a cabinet that has remained without an NGA service plan.

Interesting on that. but I don't understand why is one cabinet has no planned of FTTC? Very odd for cuckoo oak to have 99% out of 100% for FTTC cabinets, just 1% isn't on planned.

I hope to get it - on a 80/20 sync my hopes of being able to get the higher speeds are high!

Should be! I always connected at higher sync rate 80/20 for over 2 years now. Much closer to the cabinet approx 200-250 meter away as my downstream attenuation are 11.3dB. I do remembered that openreach engineer say my line length to the cabinet (fibre) are 250 meter away.

I think G.Fast can get 330/50 for any length between 50 to 300 meter, if I was correct?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I do remembered that openreach engineer say my line length to the cabinet (fibre) are 250 meter away.

I think G.Fast can get 330/50 for any length between 50 to 300 meter, if I was correct?

Not with the hardware currently available.

The existing trials are getting, very roughly,
- 300Mbps+ out to 150m
- 200Mbps out to 200m
- 100Mbps out to 250m

That is using hardware that meets the initial G.Fast standard, or possibly the "amendment 1" changes.

However, to get the better range, the hardware needs to meet the "amendment 2" changes. This is where BT hopes for 350Mbps (combined speed) at 350m ... but even that isn't a certainty yet. The hardware may be out by the end of 2017.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

The existing trials are getting, very roughly,
- 300Mbps+ out to 150m
- 200Mbps out to 200m
- 100Mbps out to 250m

Nice I'm at 75 metres or so.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Got email from openreach ian binks was confirmed that my exchange cuckoo oak will be bringing g.fast to 27 cabinets by 2018.

Interesting! I'll ask someone higher up the food chain than Ian what the score is with all this. Quite surprised there are plans for exchanges up to 2018 already, let alone specifics on which cabinets, and even more surprised he saw fit to tell a random online about them.

I would've expected this information to be released to CPs first.

I'll report back to the forum when I hear back.

Post deleted by Ignitionnet - need to do more research before posting on this specifically.

Edited by deleted (Sat 29-Oct-16 23:01:46)

Hi Ignitionnet
Since you are going to ask them - can you do me a favour and ask how many cabs are they planning to enable at Langside, which is one of their Jan 2017 pilot locations?
Thanks!

In reply to a post by Mml:

Hi Ignitionnet
Since you are going to ask them - can you do me a favour and ask how many cabs are they planning to enable at Langside, which is one of their Jan 2017 pilot locations?
Thanks!

Sorry, it's not really our business unless they want to announce it to their customers. Even if I were given such information in private it would stay that way for obvious reasons. Asking for commercially sensitive information then advertising that you got it, alongside who provided it on a forum is rarely a good idea.

My request was more along the lines of asking if these details are available yet, and if they are when the plans for everything are going to be made available, so everyone benefits.

If it ends up no such information was passed it saves them getting a bunch of requests for information. Everyone's a winner either way.

hhhmmm ian is not openreach be very surprised if that was the case and if something was shared around a direction of travel iit would not have been public information for broadcasting in a public form

Gfast is in trial that trial will get bigger and then will be launched at openreach discretion where it will make the most return on its investment

In reply to a post by Fastman2:

Gfast is in trial that trial will get bigger and then will be launched at openreach discretion where it will make the most return on its investment

I would expect nothing else but apparently a fairly small exchange, a bit over half of whose cabinets were enabled in the second half of the commercial FTTC rollout, is getting ubiquitous G.fast coverage by 2018.

I'm pretty dubious too if I'm honest. We'll see.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Got email from openreach ian binks was confirmed that my exchange cuckoo oak will be bringing g.fast to 27 cabinets by 2018.

Isn't there something unique about Cuckoo Oak though? That name rings a bell and I can't put my finger on why. Is that the exchange that they moved, onto a new housing estate? Or am I getting it confused with somewhere else?

Good result. I think my cabinet is staying as V.Slow for a while.

Another email from openreach, this time not from Ian. Different person has confirmed that no one's at openreach headquarters wouldn't know of which exchange or caninets for g.fast roll out next year. So, he say for Cuckoo Oak as a smaller exchange might not getting g.fast but probably very few cabinets will benefits from it, more likely my cabinet wouldn't get it. He say have to wait next summer for BT to confirmed phase 1 roll out lists on the ispreview or thinkbroadband or on the openreach press release.

Is it likely BTO have already decided which exchanges and cabinets would get g.fast when they were adding fibre backhaul capacity for FTTC? I would think they do not want to go through the duct clearing again if they can help it, and so have already laid enough fibre for the backhaul and between the exchange and cabinets for those where they knew they would deploy g.fast?

From comments here it seems small 250 property exchanges are unlikely to ever get g.fast. Agreed?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Got email from openreach ian binks was confirmed that my exchange cuckoo oak will be bringing g.fast to 27 cabinets by 2018.

Ian Binks doesn't work for Openreach. he is Regional Partnership Director West Midlands, BT Regions.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Got email from openreach ian binks was confirmed that my exchange cuckoo oak will be bringing g.fast to 27 cabinets by 2018.

So Ian is not aware of any plans for roll out to Cuckoo Oak and hasn't told anyone about them.

I'm not going to comment on what I think of you but suffice to say it's not complimentary.

EDIT: For anyone curious Openreach aren't going to tell you about the G.fast rollout in your area so don't waste your time or their asking.

Edited by deleted (Tue 01-Nov-16 18:33:38)

Depends a lot on what you mean by 'ever'

Current roll-out plan is to 10 million premises, and there are around 29 million in the UK and growing, and a further 2 million FTTP, so how lucky do you feel?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Another email from openreach, this time not from Ian. Different person has confirmed that no one's at openreach headquarters wouldn't know of which exchange or caninets for g.fast roll out next year. So, he say for Cuckoo Oak as a smaller exchange might not getting g.fast but probably very few cabinets will benefits from it, more likely my cabinet wouldn't get it. He say have to wait next summer for BT to confirmed phase 1 roll out lists on the ispreview or thinkbroadband or on the openreach press release.

Ian doesn't work for Openreach. According to him he told you nothing.

How dare you name drop someone to indulge your own fantasies. Your nonsense could've cost the man his job.

In reply to a post by godsell4:

Is it likely BTO have already decided which exchanges and cabinets would get g.fast when they were adding fibre backhaul capacity for FTTC? I would think they do not want to go through the duct clearing again if they can help it, and so have already laid enough fibre for the backhaul and between the exchange and cabinets for those where they knew they would deploy g.fast?

From comments here it seems small 250 property exchanges are unlikely to ever get g.fast. Agreed?

Openreach didn't add anything for smaller exchanges. They connected individual cabinets back to a central aggregation point. Whether those cabinets were serving one exchange area passing 10,000 premises or 10 exchanges passing 1,000 premises each is irrelevant.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Another email from openreach, this time not from Ian. Different person has confirmed that no one's at openreach headquarters wouldn't know of which exchange or caninets for g.fast roll out next year. So, he say for Cuckoo Oak as a smaller exchange might not getting g.fast but probably very few cabinets will benefits from it, more likely my cabinet wouldn't get it. He say have to wait next summer for BT to confirmed phase 1 roll out lists on the ispreview or thinkbroadband or on the openreach press release.

Now in more generic news, the size of the Cuckoo Oak exchange is irrelevant and to pass the 10 million premises by 2020 with ultrafast needs over 27,000 cabinets to be upgraded according to this fine website.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/7453-how-many-g-f...

Your exchange is parented by Telford Wellington, so enabling of the 10Gb CableLink to allow G.fast will happen there.

Telford Wellington also parents at least Donnington, Dawley, Stirchley, Newport, itself obviously, Oakengates, Hollinswood, Shifnal, Great Bolas, Weston under Lizard, Norton, and Great Chatwell, so there are plenty of opportunities for G.fast to be deployed to some of those.

It's quite likely that some of Cuckoo Oak will receive G.fast at some point. There are some pretty large cabinets that tick the boxes for customers within range.

Edited by deleted (Wed 02-Nov-16 11:47:42)

The model for 10 million with minimum number of cabinets or 10 million with minimum number not getting ultrafast at https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=... shows some in Cuckoo Oak area might be feasible

Of course what Openreach does may be very different from that model but if digressing it would increase the number of cabinets needed and costs - but with actual known take-up levels in areas that is likely to give a different output.

Will be interesting in a few years to overlay live G.fast with that map And send Openreach a bill if its 75% right or better.