Openreach Upgrades

Is there any way of finding out if my line will soon be upgraded to support a faster connection, like FttP and/or g.fast?

I currently have FttC and as I'm located a good distance from the serving cabinet,
my speeds are not great, especially the upload which is 3.5Mb approx.

Thanks in advance.

Edited by shaneosborne (Sat 24-Aug-19 19:38:05)

https://www.dslchecker.bt.com/

If you then give us your cabinet number and exchange someone might be able to provide more information. But upgrades tend to happen as/when/if openreach feel like it. Those in the know who have a more precise idea are often not allowed to tell or else avoid doing so because it results in them being pestered by people wanting to know.

If you�re a good distance from your cabinet, g.fast is not going to help you.

HAYLE Exchange, served by Cabinet 6.

TR27 4NY

You'll be waiting for some years

I thought so! 8 doors away, they have full fibre! What a p!sstake!

In reply to a post by shaneosborne:

I thought so! 8 doors away, they have full fibre! What a p!sstake!

What's a p!sstake!? no one has a right to full fibre.

Have you considered getting a quote? if 8 doors along they have full fibre, the infrastructure can't be too far away.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Aug-19 12:23:10)

In reply to a post by shaneosborne:

I thought so! 8 doors away, they have full fibre! What a p!sstake!

8 doors away and in your position I would be getting a quote real sharp.

I would agree with that too. I thought Cornwall had full fibre - just checking with the https://www.superfastcornwall.org it seems not

Edited by Taras (Sun 25-Aug-19 11:25:24)

A quote for fttpod? How would I go about that? It does seem odd as to why BTO stopped works where they did....

The Superfast Cornwall project, in my view, was nothing but a let down....

Edited by shaneosborne (Sun 25-Aug-19 11:40:16)

Can I cheekily ask if you have any information on Cabinet E1 on Elmsted exchange (NDELM)

Thanks in advance.

John

Edited by lodge (Sun 25-Aug-19 11:55:08)

In reply to a post by shaneosborne:

I thought so! 8 doors away, they have full fibre! What a p!sstake!

Does that property 8 doors away have the same postcode TR27 4NY? If it does, then according to the DSL checker none in this postcode have Openreach FTTP (WBC FTTP) available. Otherwise it may be that leased fibre or an altnet might be serving that property, none of which would show up on the BT DSL checker.

Not sure if this is correct or not;

https://s.amsu.ng/0vDAq22bxvUN

I�ve tried a few properties from other postcodes which are closest and can�t see any FTTP for them either

Postcode Distance (km) Distance (miles) Active?
TR27 4FP 0.08 0.05 Yes
TR27 4JR 0.219 0.136 Yes
TR27 4NJ 0.133 0.082 Yes
TR27 4NL 0.147 0.091 Yes
TR27 4NN 0.153 0.095 Yes
TR27 4NT 0.155 0.097 Yes

In reply to a post by shaneosborne:

Not sure if this is correct or not;

https://s.amsu.ng/0vDAq22bxvUN

That screenshot seems to be taken from the Cerberus FTTP pricing page & is generic info:

https://www.cerberusnetworks.co.uk/connectivity-broa...

What does the BT/Openreach DSL checker say for that property 8 doors away?

https://www.dslchecker.bt.com/

(use address/postcode/house no if necessary)

TR274PE

There is a short lane separating us, 20m max

Edited by shaneosborne (Sun 25-Aug-19 12:20:36)

https://s.amsu.ng/qjSFwMAZrksN

I take it you haven't got full fibre?

That's more like it

Yep well worth getting a desktop FTTPoD quote from Cerberus or others. However to get an accurate FTTPoD price you may need to get a site survey done (£200+ cost) as one of my neighbours was quoted £17k (desktop survey price) for FTTPoD...despite being approx 20m away from the fibre DP used for my FTTPoD install in 2017. According to the Openreach bod who did my fibre CSP, a 2 port DP was installed so it should have a free port.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Aug-19 12:37:25)

Might be out of scope as Vfast are thought to cover the area

TR27 4RJ near and with FTTP available

Exchange SLOUGH is served by Cabinet 46 Sl1 2tt

I've been reading for over a year that g.fast coming but nothing.

Any info

You should have a pod on your cabinet as its showing as live, but that postcode is too far from the pod to get a G.fast service, hence not showing for you

In reply to a post by shaneosborne:

I take it you haven't got full fibre?

No I haven't, I suspect your broadband speed is considerable better than mine and a lot of others on this forum (based on my assumption you're getting around 18mbps download).

If I wanted full fibre badly enough I would put my hand in my pocket and pay for it via Fttpod

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Yep well worth getting a desktop FTTPoD quote from Cerberus or others. However to get an accurate FTTPoD price you may need to get a site survey done (£200+ cost) as one of my neighbours was quoted £17k (desktop survey price) for FTTPoD...despite being approx 20m away from the fibre DP used for my FTTPoD install in 2017. According to the Openreach bod who did my fibre CSP, a 2 port DP was installed so it should have a free port.

Out of interest, did they proceed, and if so, what did it cost?

I wouldn't have thought Openreach would connect a property to a DP which wasn't planned to serve it (otherwise that property would already be marked in the database as being able to take WBC FTTP). But with luck it wouldn't be very expensive to install another DP, and run a fibre cable back to the same splitter that serves the first DP.

To the OP: after you've got your free desktop quote, proceeding with FTTPoD will cost you £250+VAT up-front, and only then will you get your surveyed accurate costing, which you can accept within 30 days or decline (but if you decline, you lose the £250+VAT).

On top of the FTTPoD cost, there's also a hidden cost in that for the first 12 months you'll be paying a higher monthly rental: from Cerberus it's £100+VAT per month for 330/30, which is the only FTTPoD speed they sell.

After 12 months you can regrade to a standard 330/50 FTTP service from them, which will be cheaper, or a slower speed (cheaper again) - or change to a completely different ISP.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Yep well worth getting a desktop FTTPoD quote from Cerberus or others. However to get an accurate FTTPoD price you may need to get a site survey done (£200+ cost) as one of my neighbours was quoted £17k (desktop survey price) for FTTPoD...despite being approx 20m away from the fibre DP used for my FTTPoD install in 2017. According to the Openreach bod who did my fibre CSP, a 2 port DP was installed so it should have a free port.

Out of interest, did they proceed, and if so, what did it cost?

I wouldn't have thought Openreach would connect a property to a DP which wasn't planned to serve it (otherwise that property would already be marked in the database as being able to take WBC FTTP). But with luck it wouldn't be very expensive to install another DP, and run a fibre cable back to the same splitter that serves the first DP.

No, the neighbour didn't take things further as he didn't want to to risk losing £250 just to find out the true cost for FTTPoD. He's getting the full 80/20 sync on FTTC anyway. I've told him if/when Openreach decide to upgrade our street to FTTP it might just be a case of Openreach upgrading the 2 port DP to a 8/16/32 port DP so the whole street can order FTTP. So I think he's holding out for 'free' FTTP

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Aug-19 17:43:24)

Does anybody have an update on when Birstall exchange cabinet 8 may be getting an upgrade to offer anything other than ADSL.

I am so surprised that an area with over 15,000 residents still has not got any FTTC and are stuck with ADSL unless they want VM whom unsurprisingly are massively over subscribed in this area with constant poor speeds.

The BT wholesale checker has shown FTTC as planned for well over 18 months but still no sign of the FTTC cabinets going along with nothing showing on Roadworks website appears nothing soon. The local MP was told 2years ago that FTTC was coming soon but still nothing and Superfast Leicestershire don�t want to know as Virgin is available

In reply to a post by flagrag28:

Does anybody have an update on when Birstall exchange cabinet 8 may be getting an upgrade to offer anything other than ADSL.

I am so surprised that an area with over 15,000 residents still has not got any FTTC and are stuck with ADSL unless they want VM whom unsurprisingly are massively over subscribed in this area with constant poor speeds.

I'm not sure where you are getting your info. I'm assuming the 15,000 you mention is the entire exchange.

Only cabinets 1, 3, 8 and 10 don't have FTTC.
Cabinets 2,4,5,6,7,9,11 and 12 all have FTTC.

In reply to previous comment the 15,000 is from the size of Birstall population, I am not aware of any active cabinets on the Gates estate area and most of the estate on the same side as the exchange.

This was something that was discussed at a council meeting only in June and Openreach promised to investigate but have yet to provide any more updates when FTTC would be available.

When these cabinets do eventually get done will they just be. FTTC or will they add G Fast for the applicable lines ?

https://i.ibb.co/CmPZHYB/Screenshot-20190826-012508.jpg

You can check out what's available to each address on the codelook site.

https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=5...

Clicking each cabinet shows you what area they cover.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

https://i.ibb.co/CmPZHYB/Screenshot-20190826-012508.jpg

You can check out what's available to each address on the codelook site.

https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=5...

Clicking each cabinet shows you what area they cover.

Is he talking about the Birstall exchange Leicester or the place Birstall Nr Leeds John.

Maybe a bit of confusion here.

Probably the Gates estate referred to here.

In reply to a post by busterboy:

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

https://i.ibb.co/CmPZHYB/Screenshot-20190826-012508.jpg

You can check out what's available to each address on the codelook site.

https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=5...

Clicking each cabinet shows you what area they cover.

Is he talking about the Birstall exchange Leicester or the place Birstall Nr Leeds John.

Maybe a bit of confusion here.

Poster's original message refers to Superfast Leicestershire.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

In reply to a post by busterboy:

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

https://i.ibb.co/CmPZHYB/Screenshot-20190826-012508.jpg

You can check out what's available to each address on the codelook site.

https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=5...

Clicking each cabinet shows you what area they cover.

Is he talking about the Birstall exchange Leicester or the place Birstall Nr Leeds John.

Maybe a bit of confusion here.

Poster's original message refers to Superfast Leicestershire.

Yes sorry I missed that.

We have a Birstall near Leeds which made me wonder.

Edited by busterboy (Mon 26-Aug-19 10:12:59)

In reply to a post by busterboy:

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

In reply to a post by busterboy:

... nested quotes trimmed ...

Is he talking about the Birstall exchange Leicester or the place Birstall Nr Leeds John.

Maybe a bit of confusion here.

Poster's original message refers to Superfast Leicestershire.

Yes sorry I missed that.

And this which was the reason for my previous post .

Only problem is that VFast charge £250 installation for a 1 year contract or £200 for 2.
Maximum download speed is 25mbps and it's subject to site survey anyway.

In reply to a post by busterboy:

Yes sorry I missed that.

We have a Birstall near Leeds which made me wonder.

I had to re-read the original post before I twigged!

15,000 residents if you assume 3 people per property and ignore those that do have FTTC

More like 2,500 premises without FTTC then there is Virgin Media available to many, so 880 without any superfast option.

Public money can only be used if no other superfast option available.

No one is going to give money for a VDSL2 cabinet today as shift was towards full fibre for all cabinets (some VDSL2 still appearing but were planned a long time ago). So as all the existing cabinets were gap funded by the council they are the ones to ask as to what they plan and then they will only be interested in the 880 that don't have a superfast option. So this won't help you.

I am on FTTC 27Mbps Down & 7.5 Up and wondered if I can get a rough FTTP upgrade date ?

Exchange MANNINGHAM is served by Cabinet 32...

It says "FTTP is not available."

Also what difference between market A & MAreket B line again - Billing ?

Does local loop refer from Master socket to Exchange?

Thanks for reading!

market a&b is an Ofcom construct and sometimes just affects billing

As for date - pick a random year in the next decade, 1 in 10 chance of being right, i.e. no clues and even then might not be Openreach

Sounds about right... To be honest due to a complaint which may or may not have been BT's fault they gave us £70 + £30 +£18 credit and we only paying around £27 a month for anytime calls, FTTC & bt sports over a sky box...so its fairly happy days over here.

Thanks for your input.before.

We don't really use the web much I choose BT a while ago cos they were one of the 1st to support IPv6 & I get a fairly good quaility connection 18ms to the Smart hub which helps with gaming.

Fill in this form & get everyone on ADSL in your Postcode to do so...it may help speed the process of upgrading to FTTP or G.Fast ...

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-for-...

In reply to a post by Bilderberg:

We don't really use the web much I choose BT a while ago cos they were one of the 1st to support IPv6

Er..no. Not unless you're restricting the statement to 'cheap, mass-market ISPs'. Several other ISPs (IDNet, AAISP for example) introduced IPv6 five or six years earlier.