FTTP rollout

Hello, awaiting FTTP in my area, broadbandchecker says my exchange is a The exchange is not in a current fibre priority programme

Openreach check says Build planned between now and Dec-2026
https://www.openreach.com/broadband-network/fibre-av...

Openreach pdf check says next 12 months
https://www.openreach.com/content/dam/openreach/open...

How likely is it to get fttp in next 12 months?

Thanks

Its more than likely that your exchange area will be upgraded in the next 12 months, there is two caveats to it though 1) it may come back out of the 12 months and go into "in the future" - and 2) your street/property may not be covered.

For comparison mine says the same for the first two results and did say the same for the 3rd to until recently.

It has now switched to building now but that hasn’t changed the estimate in the checker - it’s still says between now and 2026.

In reply to a post by sm1234:

Openreach pdf check says next 12 months
https://www.openreach.com/content/dam/openreach/open...

You should be so lucky. My exchange isn't even listed in the pdf doc, so who knows when Openreach fibre will arrive here. Actually this seems to be another error/inconsistency in OR build info, to add to the others I noted recently here.
I would say it will have arrived when you can order it. Till then you might as well consult Mystic Meg as trust anything you find on Openreach sites.

In reply to a post by Thaumaturge:

You should be so lucky. My exchange isn't even listed in the pdf doc, so who knows when Openreach fibre will arrive here. Actually this seems to be another error/inconsistency in OR build info, to add to the others I noted recently here.
I would say it will have arrived when you can order it. Till then you might as well consult Mystic Meg as trust anything you find on Openreach sites.

Maybe your fibre connection will come from a nearby larger exchange. I think that is why the exchange my telephone line goes to is also not listed.

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

Maybe your fibre connection will come from a nearby larger exchange. I think that is why the exchange my telephone line goes to is also not listed.

No: the full-fibre build plan shows local exchanges, not headend exchanges. In other words, it's a list of "exchange areas", i.e. the smaller footprints around each local exchange, even though FTTP may be lit from elsewhere. If your local exchange isn't in the list, then you're not in the plan.

As for Mystic Meg: I'm afraid you'll need a seance to contact her for predictions.

They started building here in mass when another provider started building, so if you have an alt net starting up to threaten Out of reach, that may move them. If not then they will get to you when they can be bothered.

The bit about your street is key. My area is in the middle of being rolled out at present, however my street was removed from build possibly due to the cost of new civils to lay ducting where the Alt-Net doesn’t want to use the Openreach ducts. In my case, the street has now been placed in the ‘to be covered by BDUK’ category and that isn’t due to have a contract awarded until 2024.

The issue (allegedly) is the Alt-Net dug into all of the footpaths in the surrounding roads and my road has a 2m wide service strip instead (same thing but no footpath on top) and the street is block paved. They could have gone along the service strip but decided not to and it’s been left to BDUK to pick up the bill instead.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

They started building here in mass when another provider started building, so if you have an alt net starting up to threaten Out of reach, that may move them.

There are 3 altnets building out where I live and there has been very little increase in Openreach activity.

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are 3 altnets building out where I live and there has been very little increase in Openreach activity.

The claim by Adrian is a myth that has no legs but he likes to keep telling it while calling Openreach names like "Out of reach" which is childish when he has full fibre available by two providers one being Openreach or was it "Open within easy reach"

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are 3 altnets building out where I live and there has been very little increase in Openreach activity.

Two Alt Nets in Farnborough/Aldershot area, and the only OR FTTP is in the new housing estate where it is likely the builder funded it.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are 3 altnets building out where I live and there has been very little increase in Openreach activity.

Two Alt Nets in Farnborough/Aldershot area, and the only OR FTTP is in the new housing estate where it is likely the builder funded it.

My nearest town already has full fibre from Openreach as well as Virgin (not sure what they provide) and I believe 2 altnets have recently announced plans so the town will be saturated with providers. For me I only have Openreach and don't expect anyone else will be coming my way and I am happy with that personally.

Edited by deleted (Wed 23-Aug-23 13:06:42)

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are 3 altnets building out where I live and there has been very little increase in Openreach activity.

My anecdata is that in 5 towns here ()sequentially) where an altnet built - Openreach (or their contractors) took the opportunity to put their fibre in the ground after the altnet desilted the ducts. According to OR's plan they don't have one for 3 of those yet all 3 are live. The other two are currently being built and are orderable in parts of those towns.

which towns ?

Mine says the same - City Fibre are already in, waiting for go live. And (I think May Group) are putting fibre cable in now as I type in the OR Ducting, with open manhole and ladder tied to the pole outside!

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are 3 altnets building out where I live and there has been very little increase in Openreach activity.

Maybe they think they would not get the customers. As soon as Zzoomm started building here, Openreach followed them,

In reply to a post by dect:

The claim by Adrian is a myth that has no legs but he likes to keep telling it while calling Openreach names like "Out of reach" which is childish when he has full fibre available by two providers one being Openreach or was it "Open within easy reach"

So why all of a sudden did Openreach decide to to FTTP around here as soon as Zzoomm got here?
They are out of reach, a very fitting name for Openreach, you tried contacting them?

They talk to their customers. You aren't their customer, the ISP is.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

So why all of a sudden did Openreach decide to to FTTP around here as soon as Zzoomm got here?

Nothing to do with any AltNet's plans!

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

So why all of a sudden did Openreach decide to to FTTP around here as soon as Zzoomm got here?
They are out of reach, a very fitting name for Openreach, you tried contacting them?

Lets talk facts rather than gossip down the pub after a few beers, Openreach don't just rock up and start pulling in cables, there are months of design work and pre-work (longer for big towns/cities) before the build phase can start so what you're saying is just not true. It may appear to some that they are just chasing the tails of altnets but honestly you really surprise me that you don't take much in from this forum.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

Maybe your fibre connection will come from a nearby larger exchange. I think that is why the exchange my telephone line goes to is also not listed.

No: the full-fibre build plan shows local exchanges, not headend exchanges. In other words, it's a list of "exchange areas", i.e. the smaller footprints around each local exchange, even though FTTP may be lit from elsewhere. If your local exchange isn't in the list, then you're not in the plan.

As for Mystic Meg: I'm afraid you'll need a seance to contact her for predictions.

The exchange I am interested in belongs to the Holyhead group of 9 exchanges. The Holyhead exchange is shown in the list as 'building now'. 4 of the other exchanges are listed and shown as 'building in the future' and 4 are not listed.

What do you think that Openreach will do about proividing FTTP in the exchange areas that are not listed?

Zzoom plan to cover 1 million premises by 2025. Openreach plan to cover 25 million by 2026. Zzoom and all the Altnets will be aiming to cover some of the same areas as openreach. Given the huge scale of the openreach program against all the Altnets, they are bound to tread on each others toes at some point.

In reply to a post by ian72:

They talk to their customers. You aren't their customer, the ISP is.

you do realise that not everyone has broadband or a phone, and not everyone wants to contact Openreach for that reason. Try contacting them when one of their poles is not standing straight.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

So why all of a sudden did Openreach decide to to FTTP around here as soon as Zzoomm got here?

Nothing to do with any AltNet's plans!

You just keep believing that. Apart from one road here, they had very little interest in providing fibre here, well not as quick as they did. If Zzoomm did not come along i expect it would have been another couple of years at least.

In reply to a post by dect:

Lets talk facts rather than gossip down the pub after a few beers, Openreach don't just rock up and start pulling in cables, there are months of design work and pre-work (longer for big towns/cities) before the build phase can start so what you're saying is just not true. It may appear to some that they are just chasing the tails of altnets but honestly you really surprise me that you don't take much in from this forum.

Sure, this city have been on Openreach list for a while, for full fibre, but we were told another couple of years at least and that was just before zzoomm started announced that they were coming here. That shocked me to be honest, and I still wonder why they came here, as I doubt they even heard of the city. It is very fishy that just after Zzoomm put fibre down my road that Openreach followed.


Nothing to do with beers down the pub.

In reply to a post by witchunt:

Zzoom plan to cover 1 million premises by 2025. Openreach plan to cover 25 million by 2026. Zzoom and all the Altnets will be aiming to cover some of the same areas as openreach. Given the huge scale of the openreach program against all the Altnets, they are bound to tread on each others toes at some point.

I realise what you are saying, but this is a small city, ok it has some large estates, but still a small city, We normally don't get stuff like this, and it is strange how all of a sudden, we now have two fibre networks in the city. Well, still a bit not covered by Openreach.

I don't like openreach, I don't agree with a company having such an advantage in the market but then I don't like BT. the only reason why I went with plusnet was because at the time they were the only ones that could get me connected so quickly and the service was good, so I stayed, mainly lazyness. The same with staying with FTTC which I was going to stay on, mainly lazyness. But now FTTP is fitted and working I am glad I did it, not so much for the speed as it makes no difference to me, but for the price.

In reply to a post by sm1234:

Hello, awaiting FTTP in my area, broadbandchecker says my exchange is a The exchange is not in a current fibre priority programme

Openreach check says Build planned between now and Dec-2026
https://www.openreach.com/broadband-network/fibre-av...

Openreach pdf check says next 12 months
https://www.openreach.com/content/dam/openreach/open...

How likely is it to get fttp in next 12 months?

Thanks

Sorry about your thread having gotten so long and filled up with nonsense about overbuild.

The PDF covers your exchange area and is when the build in the area will start, it isn't specifically related to your property.

The Openreach check however is related to your property, so the two aren't contradicting each other they are giving different information.

The answer is no-one without insider knowledge can really give a likelihood only guesses. Sorry.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are 3 altnets building out where I live and there has been very little increase in Openreach activity.

Two Alt Nets in Farnborough/Aldershot area, and the only OR FTTP is in the new housing estate where it is likely the builder funded it.

My nearest town already has full fibre from Openreach as well as Virgin (not sure what they provide) and I believe 2 altnets have recently announced plans so the town will be saturated with providers. For me I only have Openreach and don't expect anyone else will be coming my way and I am happy with that personally.

I currently have Openreach FTTP and 2 of the altnets have built to the end of my road.

At the moment I'm having problems with Openreach not being able to resolve a throughput issue which I've been having for about 3 weeks now. I'm only getting about 400 Mbps on a gigabit connection and having multiple dropouts every day.

So why all of a sudden did Openreach decide to to FTTP around here as soon as Zzoomm got here?

Actually, from what I can make of it, Openreach announced they were building in Hereford on 29th July 2020.

https://www.openreach.com/news/west-midlands-include...

Whereas Zzoomm announced they were building in Hereford on 13th October 2020.

https://zzoomm.com/next-zzoomm-town-hereford/

So I venture that yet again you are making stuff up.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by ian72:

They talk to their customers. You aren't their customer, the ISP is.

you do realise that not everyone has broadband or a phone, and not everyone wants to contact Openreach for that reason. Try contacting them when one of their poles is not standing straight.

People who are interested in doing things rather than mouthing off would probably go onto the internet, search for "damaged telegraph pole" and be taken to this page (https://www.bt.com/help/landline/fix-a-problem/how-c...) which tells you that the poles are managed by Openreach and where there is an 0800 number to make an immediate report.

Edited by GonePostal (Thu 24-Aug-23 10:59:53)

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

The answer is no-one without insider knowledge can really give a likelihood only guesses.

This is so true, Mystic Meg could do a roaring trade on predicting when people will get full fibre.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

It is very fishy that just after Zzoomm put fibre down my road that Openreach followed.

Follow the evidence and its not fishy at all.

I contacted OR and got an email 2 days later explaining that the pole didn't actually belong to them and to contact Brsk.

Time to take off the tin foil hat again.

They provide contact details for damage by phone, web, chat and twitter I believe . Try contacting an Altnet out of hours for a damaged cabinet or pole. That will be a mission impossible

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

Actually, from what I can make of it, Openreach announced they were building in Hereford on 29th July 2020.

https://www.openreach.com/news/west-midlands-include...

Whereas Zzoomm announced they were building in Hereford on 13th October 2020.

https://zzoomm.com/next-zzoomm-town-hereford/

So I venture that yet again you are making stuff up.

Openreach may have announced, but they only did one or two streets and then once Zzoomm came they seemed to have come alive.

openreach has too much of an advantage, need to be sold off away from Bt.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

People who are interested in doing things rather than mouthing off would probably go onto the internet, search for "damaged telegraph pole" and be taken to this page (https://www.bt.com/help/landline/fix-a-problem/how-c...) which tells you that the poles are managed by Openreach and where there is an 0800 number to make an immediate report.

What part of the not everyone has broadband don't you get?

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

The answer is no-one without insider knowledge can really give a likelihood only guesses.

This is so true, Mystic Meg could do a roaring trade on predicting when people will get full fibre.

I doubt it, she is dead.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

I contacted OR and got an email 2 days later explaining that the pole didn't actually belong to them and to contact Brsk.

Time to take off the tin foil hat again.

Lucky you, I have thankfully not had to contact them, but I have heard from people who have.
All poles in this city belong to Openreach, including the one a couple of roads away from me that looks like it is going to fall over anytime soon. I suppose the tress that are growing around it may hold it up.

don't trust Openreach, after all they belong to BT.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Openreach may have announced, but they only did one or two streets and then once Zzoomm came they seemed to have come alive.

Yet again you are making things up. Just because you make something up and want what you have made up to be true, it does not make it true.

Clearly Openreach announced their build before Zzoomm in Hereford.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Lucky you, I have thankfully not had to contact them

Now you are making yet more things up that you admit you have absolutely no experience of and nothing to support your allegation that people are unable to contact Openreach about leaning poles or other unsafe plant.

People who come to the forum seeking advice may not be aware of your habit of offering untruths and stuff that you have made up. This seriously diminishes the quality of the forum for visitors.

Edited by FibreBubble (Thu 24-Aug-23 21:26:45)

I doubt it, she is dead.

I wonder if she saw that coming ?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have heard from people who have.

Adrian Adrian Adrian!!!!!!!!

I've never had a problem contacting Openreach. They replaced a footway chamber lid when an altnet ripped the frame out the ground trying to get into it within a week, and had a barrier around it the morning after I reported it.

After FTTC moved onto a waiting list I contacted Openreach to ask what I was meant to do about moving provider at the end of my contract term, and received a reply letting me know when FTTP was planned to arrive. When I then got an email saying that I had been dropped from the build plans I emailed back again, and they explained that they'd sent out updates in error, I was still in scope, and every few months I receive an email from a named person at Openreach to let me know that things are still progressing as planned.

They are far better to deal with than Cityfibre, in my experience.

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

The exchange I am interested in belongs to the Holyhead group of 9 exchanges. The Holyhead exchange is shown in the list as 'building now'. 4 of the other exchanges are listed and shown as 'building in the future' and 4 are not listed.

What do you think that Openreach will do about proividing FTTP in the exchange areas that are not listed?

They will add them to their build plans as and when they are ready to do so.

OR are aiming to have ~85% FTTP coverage by December 2026, but they haven't published plans to build in all those areas yet. Every three months or so they re-issue the plan, and add new exchange areas each time.

It would be silly to try to make up-front plans right up to the Dec 2026 horizon. There's only so much they can plan and build at once, and it's a rolling programme.

Not everyone has broadband but the majority do and/or have internet access via their mobile phone.

We ALL know that you have a downer on BT and OR but in your own word (I have never had to contact them).

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I doubt it, she is dead.

I wonder if she saw that coming ?

LOL, that was the sort of thing that was everywhere at the time.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Not everyone has broadband but the majority do and/or have internet access via their mobile phone.

We ALL know that you have a downer on BT and OR but in your own word (I have never had to contact them).

True, i never had to contact Openreach and when they came here to sort out my Internet a few years ago they were ok, they did not fix the problem as they had no idea what it was, but they were ok.

My problem is with all large companies that seem to want to take over everything and knock out all smaller competition, including the one i work for.

"My problem is with all large companies that seem to want to take over everything and knock out all smaller competition, including the one i work for. "

You might want to give up on everything then. This is the way of the World.

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Openreach may have announced, but they only did one or two streets and then once Zzoomm came they seemed to have come alive.

Yet again you are making things up. Just because you make something up and want what you have made up to be true, it does not make it true.

Clearly Openreach announced their build before Zzoomm in Hereford.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Lucky you, I have thankfully not had to contact them

Now you are making yet more things up that you admit you have absolutely no experience of and nothing to support your allegation that people are unable to contact Openreach about leaning poles or other unsafe plant.

People who come to the forum seeking advice may not be aware of your habit of offering untruths and stuff that you have made up. This seriously diminishes the quality of the forum for visitors.

Not making things up at all.

The pole have been leaning for years, it is surrounded by trees. the manhole cover was left off, I did not see that, but I did see the door ajar on the cabinet as I said I went to do some shopping yesterday to Lidl and I pass the cabinet.

Believe what you want to believe, I don't care, if you want our broadband network to be run by one huge monopoly then that is up to you.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

My problem is

Everyone has a right to their opinions but we all have to draw the line at fake news (even you Adrian although you may not realise you're doing it) sadly you have provided several in this thread and in many others threads, be it about Broadband , Covid vaccinations as well as many other things.

Yet again you are making things up. Just because you make something up and want what you have made up to be true, it does not make it true.

Yet again you lack any respect, and have a total disregard towards the wisdom of those who've been both on here, and operating in this field, likely far longer than you have.

Now you are making yet more things up that you admit you have absolutely no experience of and nothing to support your allegation that people are unable to contact Openreach about leaning poles or other unsafe plant.

I am going to +1, specifically I have lived in an 1800s community with clay soil type and noted many poles were leaning. Whilst they were marked as "D" poles all of the markings including the actual D, and the card that marks the degrees a pole is leaning were entirely degraded with age. Openreach remained unresponsive, hard to make contact with, and ultimately uninterested. I hence agree, a person is lucky if they don't have to contact Openreach over this sort of issue.

I now live fairly remote. You are clearly blind to the vast majority of this country (by land area) which is rural. Leaning poles are common, in fact we have several poles that have fallen and despite reporting into Openreach there lacks any remedy as the fibre optic connection still functions despite the cabling no longer being held by the pole.

Take a moment to self reflect on how you can possibly be entirely informed as to the posture and state of all Openreach assets out in the field. I am assured you lack this visibility in full, hence at best you're making your own sweeping assumptions based upon your own limited experiences. Similar, you cannot attest over the responsiveness and willingness of Openreach to provide remedy to all end-users who contact directly. Again, whilst you may have positive experiences that is not a fact. Given the facts, you cannot with any reason make sweeping statements such as "yet again you are making things up."

All I can say is, yet again, you are making conclusions without any certainty. It appears you are venting, and this is your route, operating with a veil of "I only want facts to be on this forum" all whilst failing entirely yourself to operate in accordance with this ideology.

Overall zyborg47 is writing experiences that align much more closely with my own, than anything you are stating. Whilst I am all for experiences being voiced freely and appreciate how these vary, you lack the same decency.

To treat you with the same respect you treat others (enjoy):

Whilst people who come to this forum seeking advice may be unaware of your deep routed frustrations, anger and undertones of aggression, which manifest into attacking others who are well meaning on here, your behaviour is likely to seriously diminish the quality of the forum for both myself, visitors, and regulars.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 03-Sep-23 01:49:56)