Thanks for the clarification, Andrew. I guess that may have been the case for that building.

I am well aware the situation in my case is not unique. Only 59% of City of London have access just for FTTC. So the percentage for FTTP is even smaller. This wayleave issue that we talk about is not just a problem with my building management, but it is certainly a common issue amongst most buildings around the city and central London.

I've been observing last few years the Hyperoptic map https://hyperoptic.com/map/?residential
Mostly the entire City of London area has grey marks for the buildings where permissions have yet to be granted.

What I am going to do as suggested by others is to wait and see how FTTC performs when it becomes available soon. If it is not to satisfaction then I'll try and organise with the residents of my building and meet the team to discuss with them about why FTTP is important. I guess meeting with 3-5 other residents might be more helpful than me trying to fight alone speaking to the authority. Because it's easier for the management team to ignore me when I am the only one approaching them asking for Fibre.

I don't think I'd want to move elsewhere because that's only going to let the management team off the hook and relief them. They need to be put under pressure & me leaving will only make them happy. And considering all the other major positives I have where I live moving elsewhere just for Full Fibre may not be rational.

In reply to a post by dotmannn:

So far my openreach checker hasn't updated. Slightly annoying but what can you do!

I guess that cabinet in Hanbury Street that you posted a few weeks ago will not serve you, but will serve me instead. It is probably a capacity issue. You'll probably have to wait for another cabinet or hope that you'll get FTTP instead. Since my building has 82 flats I'd think that the cabinet will have to be prioritised for the entire building and may not have enough capacity for others that's why.

Why do you think VDSL2 cabinets can only support 82 lines? Maximum is 384 actual live VDSL2 connections.

If you are the only one wanting FTTP you might even be the only one who orders VDSL2 once available.

I am well informed about a single cabinet supporting a maximum of 384 lines.
However, there is a difference here. Bishopsgate is a very large area to cover with majority of the residential properties being part of high rise buildings.

If for example we talk about a small rural area with 384 individual houses all connected to 1 cabinet this wouldn't be an issue.

If we are to divide 384 lines to 80 flats on average per building that would be around 4-5 residential buildings to a single cabinet. But we know properties connected to the Bishopsgate Exchange has many, many more buildings than that. Individual houses are very few in the City and Central London thus requiring several cabinets for FTTC.

The fact that the postcode for dotmannn hasn't been updated to reflect this suggests that this postcode area will not be served by that cabinet. The remaining 300 or so lines will probably go towards other buildings. But we will only find out more information soon and only BT OR have more detailed info on this.

As for FTTP, I know I'm not the only one demanding this in the block. I started this initiative in August 2014 and in February 2015 for Hyperoptic and in roughly 6 months 30+ people registered their interest for my building in the "Progress of registered residents".

Of-course most people want faster internet, it's just most of us are busy and haven't been organised as a unit to meet with the management team to ask them to give wayleave consent. Also many people don't even register and participate on these forums or other community sites to share their views, that doesn't mean they aren't interested in FTTP or even FTTC.

And that is why for example the cabinet 23 was a fairly small area and likely that other cabinets are going to be.

In dense urban areas like yours it is very very rare for cabinets to have a footprint at the classic idea people of a 1km radius footprint.

As for the Bishopgate exchange footprint it covers an area around 1km wide by 1km high

9 cabinets without VDSL2 currently, 20 cabinets and around 68 different EO bundles.

Time to start leafleting your building and increasing the voices saying that they MUST have FTTP if you want to sway your building management

If your assertions on wayleaves being a massive problem are the case, then the result will be that residential suburban areas that are owner occupied are going to see more of the Fibre First, and that is not Openreach or Hyperoptics or any other FTTP operators fault but the owners of buildings being obstructive.

Remember that for firms dealing with building management the time of their staff and in particular time spent by the legal department is far from free.

Stop worrying about capacity.
They install AIO (all in one) cabinets less and less as they can only hold 128 lines max.

You will likely have a PCP and FTTC combo. No idea why you think this is limited to 384 lines also.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/bt-op...

A possible 672 FTTC lines there.

If we are to divide 384 lines to 80 flats on average per building that would be around 4-5 residential buildings to a single cabinet.

Take up rates are not as high as you appear to think.
They will be even less with 12-16Mb ADSL available.

They don't install cabinets with the intention of every home taking the service. Far far from it.
If take up exceeds expectations they can increase capacity by adding larger line cards (to 384 lines) then they can drop a whole new cabinet.

Lots of 288 line Huawei cabinets that are installed in my area serve 600-900 properties. That's with 2-3Mb ADSL available in this area.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Take up rates are not as high as you appear to think.
They will be even less with 12-16Mb ADSL available.

Take up definitely isn't very high. The cabinet I'm connected to took 4 years to reach capacity (256 lines) and that's on a PCP that serves around 1100 properties. ADSL speeds range from 2 Mbps to 12 Mbps.

Very area dependent. This 625-ish premises PCP filled a Huawei 288 in 7 months and was full enough that the second 288, delivered within a year of the first, was upgraded to 384 lines pretty early on in the high density rollout.

SFBB take up here is certainly in the 80s, if not 90s, percent.

I'm now seeing that the Cabinet that was meant to be installed between 20-24 August has changed to 22 Oct - 26 Oct

Hanbury Street, London, Tower Hamlets

I don't understand why that's the case when it says "Roadworks, delays unlikely".

Anyway, I am seeing another work 20 Aug - 22 Aug from BT.

Wentworth Street, London that is much closer to where I am.

1 ,Erect 1 cabinet and base (600mm x 300mm x 1000mm),Provide 1 core drill(s) into jointbox or building

Current status: Work in progress

Anyone know what that is?

I have emailed Openreach Fibre Enquiry to ask them where Cabinet number: 5 will be located. I still think it will be in Hanbury street as it coincides with the checker connect status. There's no other description with a DSLAM cabinet to be installed anywhere on the roadworks map around my area.

What I get from FTTC will be make or break. If I get decent speed/reliability from FTTC then of-course I'll be less reliant on getting wayleave for FTTP. But of-course if FTTC fails then I'm going to have to start leafleting and letting residents know that we need FTTP and get the management team to be more willing to accept our demand.

(600mm x 300mm x 1000mm) is a brand new shiny PCP.

BT Openreach never cease to amaze me! The checker has been reverted back to In Scope from Connect stage!

Just as it recently did from FTTP plan back to Superfast.

You're in a plan to get Superfast fibre but we haven't started work yet.
It'll be built either as part of our fibre programme or through a partnership with your local authority.

Exchange name: Bishopsgate
Exchange status: Fibre enabled
Cabinet number: -
Technology: Pending - EO Line

Ha, I'm not too surprised at that seeing how it has been a decade waiting without FTTC. I was hopeful that at least if finally FTTC would come I wouldn't be too worried about FTTP. But I guess I can't take BT OR seriously anymore...