Remove VDSL2 you can use those frequencies on G.fast and guess what the range improves but only at VDSL2 type speeds....

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Given the Openreach long term plan is to just have FTTP and G.fast as the two broadband services .

So majority in a cabinet get FTTP and those with landlord problems e.g. no permission to get FTTP installed get the G.fast.

I'd argue that they should simply withdraw all service from the property, if the landlord is not prepared to allow the replacement service to be installed!

Then it just becomes an issue between the landlord and the tenants, and I would expect over time the government to give the tenants more rights in this situation.

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In reply to a post by Andrue:

Distance is also a major factor in G.FAST. If you're not currently syncing at 80Mb/s you're probably out of range of G.FAST.

I've seen plenty of people that have got G.fast that had a lower sync rate than 80, including my parents who had a sync rate of 65 and now enjoying a sync rate of 140 with G.fast

g.fast has a extremely low take up rate, the fact you seem to know plenty of people with the service is close to a miracle in itself, thats all I have to say

Do they care? Is it any better for them, and are they paying more than before?

Is it for them, or for you?

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 26-May-19 10:30:33)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Do they care? Is it any better for them, and are they paying more than before?

Is it for them, or for you?

They are very happy with the g.fast service and yes they are paying a little more than before, but say it's worth it for what they have gained.

Not sure what you mean when you say is it for them or for you. I can only guess that you are asking if they got the service for them or me. My answer for that would be for them as I don't live with them, but I do help with their tech stuff when they have an issue.

I�m surprised that it makes a significant difference to them unless they are running a hotel or something .

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I�m surprised that it makes a significant difference to them unless they are running a hotel or something .

I guess as you've still got a rather slow broadband speed you don't yet see the difference.

Just as an example of a difference they have is that when they go away (often they do) they download movies to watch from Netflix onto their devices. This is now much quicker than before and able to download multiple movies at the same time.

It's like when broadband first came out, people didn't think they would need more than 1 meg, now look at the complaints on forums

I can only agree and chime in with my experiences - the checker showed 197.7 to 172.1 with handback of 141.7 for clean, 146.8 and 96.6 with handback of 87.6 for impacted. I had hoped it would be somewhere sensible, but it turned out to sync at 113 down and 13 up. I used to be on 65 down and 20 up.

Unfortunately, Zen only manages 100 MBit/s on a speedchecker on a good day, and sometimes 80 on a bad, so in the end I traded around 15 to 20 MBit/s on the downstream for a loss of 7 MBit/s on the upstream, which isn't really worth it.

Because of the discrepancy between sync speed and speedtest results Zen opened a fault for an engineer visit, but I wouldn't be surprised if it actually got worse in the end. I'll have to stick with this for a year and it was a bit of a gamble, but I'd probably be back to VDSL2 afterwards - or indeed might gamble again and go with Virgin...

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In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I�m surprised that it makes a significant difference to them unless they are running a hotel or something .

I guess as you've still got a rather slow broadband speed you don't yet see the difference.

I wouldn't call my speeds "rather slow". More like the same as your parents had, both when on AAISP FTTC and now on 3G mobile. Except my upstream is now faster.

Just as an example of a difference they have is that when they go away (often they do) they download movies to watch from Netflix onto their devices. This is now much quicker than before and able to download multiple movies at the same time.

Twice as fast in fact, so two times as many movies at once. Not exactly "multiple", which suggests considerably more than two.

I think you just blagged them into it . It also raises the question of why "often" pay a load to go away somewhere to watch what you could do at home. I can take both my connections with me anyway, as I have one on my phone and one on my MiFi router. Each at around the 65Mbps mark here, and whatever I get elsewhere.

Two unlimited data connections at 65Mbps, total cost £42pm. How much is the 140Mbps G.Fast?

It's like when broadband first came out, people didn't think they would need more than 1 meg, now look at the complaints on forums

Going from 1Mbps to FTTC speeds is a far bigger step than 65 sync to 140 sync .

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

It also raises the question of why "often" pay a load to go away somewhere to watch what you could do at home. I can take both my connections with me anyway, as I have one on my phone and one on my MiFi router.

I download Netflix when I go away sometimes, amazing how much you can watch on a 9 hour flight, and I would think mobile reception wouldn't work either

PS it downloads nice and quick on my connection