In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Sorry, but no. I have no idea where you live. (Though I now see by back-tracking through the thread that it is a poorly served area for "wireless" links).

Not really important, but I've made four contributions to this topic, the first of which actually tells people where I live.

The thread is discussing the general policy, not your particular village.

Indeed so, and I have given some examples where the general policy could disadvantage people living or visiting areas such as ours by quoting specific examples from our area. I expect there are other places like ours, poorly served by mobile infrastructure and which have things like defibrillators which are accessed from a cabinet with a lock requiring a key code obtained from the emergency services operator. How is that code to be obtained in a power-cut? Again a specific reference but it raises a question for the general policy.

The problem will gradually diminish as investment is made in our infrastructure but there will probably always be a few awkward cases the one-size-fits-all policy leaves gaps. How do we try and maintain what others will see as a basic service in those awkward areas?

A wired phone works straight off the PSTN socket of the SH2 using digital voice.

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Edited by deleted (Mon 03-Feb-20 09:03:43)

In reply to a post by thomaswarne01:

a question about faults, how will consumers know they have a copper line fault for FTTC, GFast etc when there is no voice side to do 17070 test? as surely if the line keeps dropping sync you will lose the phone whereas pstn would still perhaps get through albeit crackly etc..
So how will faults be identified on Digital lines only?

I don�t imagine the providers could kick it out to Openreach as a voice fault.

If your voice service kept dropping/sounds garbled at times and no fault is found on a line test it would be normal procedure. Openreach would be sent out on a some kind of broadband fault.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

1. power lines are frequently cut by the weather (although apparently not comms lines)

Not surprising; comms lines are underground from exchange a couple of miles away to the edge of the village while power is on overhead lines for several miles into the village.

Another interesting point is that most exchanges have backup generators that fire up in the event of a power cut. That would keep ADSL2+ and FTTP going regardless of your provider.

However most of us are on FTTC at the moment and those cabinets will only work on batteries for half an hour or so after a power cut. As previously mentioned though this all hinges on you having a UPS in the house for the router!

Edited by deleted (Mon 03-Feb-20 09:03:26)

Not everyone chooses to live where they are born in, some cannot afford to move to somewhere less rural when they grow up, please think before you comment

Indeed-and I personally am increasingly of the opinion that we should be providing high speed broadband to everyone, no matter where they live. The money is there, we are not a poor country!

If someone wants to work from home in the middle of nowhere I feel they should be able to.

Totally agree, I'm lucky in where i live, I'm also an oldie so don't rely on just a mobile/smartphone but have dropped my fixed line telephone for a VOIP one, but luckily where I live I have only had one short power outage since I moved here in 1996, so it doesn't really affect me, like it would someone who lives in a rural area where power cables are above ground and could be cut off for days or longer.

However most of us are on FTTC at the moment and those cabinets will only work on batteries for half an hour or so after a power cut. As previously mentioned though this all hinges on you having a UPS in the house for the router!

Half an hour? They run for up to 8 hours.(entirely dependant on capacity)

My DSLAM ran for over 7 hours on the batteries.

There's a thread on kitz where a user was asking why their connection kept going down every 8 hours for 15 mins (for about 3 days).
It turned out the DSLAM had lost power. The 15 minute outage was the batteries being changed by OpenReach.

They wouldn't bother installing batteries in every single DSLAM if they lasted half an hour.

Also not all homes served by a cabinet share the same power source so UPS not always required.

Edit: I'm aware your an engineer btw. That's still not correct though.

Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 03-Feb-20 11:37:24)

Whilst I fully agree that all should be able to access high speed broadband wherever they have chosen to live there is still the question of the initial cost of providing that connection. How much of that cost should be born by the commercial company providing the connection (e.g. Openreach) and how much by the end user and should the state contribute and if so to what degree?

Taking another examples of infrastructure. Mains drainage, here the customer is required to pay the cost when a local authority/water board decides to provide this service in an area that previously relied on septic tanks and soakaways. Similarly when a local council decides to surface and adopt an unadopted road it is the owners of the properties along that road that are required to pay the full cost of the works.

Not an engineer now. I don�t know where I got half an hour from, that would be rubbish wouldn�t it?

7 or 8 hours is pretty decent then.

In reply to a post by MCM:

Whilst I fully agree that all should be able to access high speed broadband wherever they have chosen to live there is still the question of the initial cost of providing that connection. How much of that cost should be born by the commercial company providing the connection (e.g. Openreach) and how much by the end user and should the state contribute and if so to what degree?

Taking another examples of infrastructure. Mains drainage, here the customer is required to pay the cost when a local authority/water board decides to provide this service in an area that previously relied on septic tanks and soakaways. Similarly when a local council decides to surface and adopt an unadopted road it is the owners of the properties along that road that are required to pay the full cost of the works.

State should contribute most of it if someone is out in the sticks. But it should be done nonetheless.

Edited by deleted (Mon 03-Feb-20 20:12:09)