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ISP Representative UKDoc
(isp) Fri 21-Sep-12 20:19:58
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Re: Speed question


[re: 4M2] [link to this post]
 
Hello,

Please send your broadband telephone number in a private message and I will get the issues escalated. One of the team will contact you.

Regards

Gavin
Orange Home Broadband

'Here to help'
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Fri 21-Sep-12 20:24:10
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Re: Speed question


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In reply to a post by 4M2:
In reply to a post by beardedwonder:
It seems that they're not interested in attenuation at all, I imagine they're following whatever information is on their computer screen, and whatever that says goes.


I've had similar issues with ISP's in the past (not Orange though) and sent them copies of router stats and BT speed tests in order to convince them that there was a problem.

This was done in the form of "tickets" sent to the ISP which were then escalated to the appropriate level of technical support. Tests were subsequently done on my line by the ISP and it was agreed that there was indeed a problem. In my case an Openreach SFI engineer checked the entire line from my test socket to the exchange and located the fault. In your case it may not be hardware problem but in my opinion they are obliged to fully investigate the poor sync speed and hence the poor service that you are receiving and paying good money for!

A ticket system is what I would really like, however it doesn't seem like that system exists, at least not for customers. It's quite frustrating.

I have been taking two screenshots per day of my router statistics, but without the sort of system where I could post these they seem fairly useless. I will try to see if I can get 2nd line support to call me, must deal with the 'offshored' call centre first.
Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 21-Sep-12 20:38:29
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Re: Speed question


[re: UKDoc] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by UKDoc:
Hello,

Please send your broadband telephone number in a private message and I will get the issues escalated. One of the team will contact you.

Regards


Not me doc - perhaps you should offer assistance to the OP smile


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 25-Sep-12 13:43:53
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Re: Speed question


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It would appear that the saga is over, not to my satisfaction though.

Time Connected: 2 days 17:51:22
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23
Line Status     ---     SHOWTIME
Link Type       ---     Fast PathOperation Mode  G992.5(ADSL2+)  G992.5(ADSL2+)

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1
23
45
67
89
1011
1213
1415
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Stream Type     Actual Data Rate
Upstream        907 (Kbps.)Downstream      6912 (Kbps.)
 Defect/Failure Indication:
Operation Data      Upstream    DownstreamNoise Margin             6.1 dB         7.8 dB
Line Attenuation        19.7 dB         33.5 dB 
Indicator Name             Near End Indicator   Far End IndicatorOutput Power                10.1 dBm    0.0 dBm
Fast Path FEC Correction        0       0Interleaved Path FEC Correction NA      NA
Fast Path CRC Error             4291    49Interleaved Path CRC Error      NA      NA
Loss of Signal Defect           17      0Fast Path HEC Error STR         12018   50
Interleaved Path HEC Error      NA      NAError Seconds                   6677    62

The 3rd line (or whatever they're called) phoned me today, he initially asked about the dropping connection, which for some reason seems to have stopped. I asked why I wasn't getting the higher speeds that my line attenuation indicates I should be getting. He said that line length, interference, line quality and my equipment(!) can all affect the speed. I told him that I thought that the line attenuation reading would reflect any of those problems and would be higher if any of those factors was present. He reiterated that I was achieving my minimum speeds and that's apparently all that they strive to deliver.

I'm pretty fed up with the customer support, I was asked yet again what modem/router I had, whether I was plugged into master socket, any extensions etc. etc. Is the customer support purposefully structured in this way so there's no continuation between separate calls?

I logged into my Orange account and found that this was my predicted speed when I signed up! At least I'm doing better then that.

Hopefully the next 10 months will pass by relatively quickly and I can move providers.

Edited by deleted (Tue 25-Sep-12 13:46:04)

Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 25-Sep-12 14:29:22
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Re: Speed question


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In reply to a post by beardedwonder:
It would appear that the saga is over, not to my satisfaction though.


Is your current downstream throughput speed sufficient for your needs? Even if it is I agree that the situation is far from satisfactory but do you wish to pursue the matter further?

Earlier in the thread you did mention that Orange had detected a problem with the line: "Just spoken to them on the phone, they said that there was a problem with the line test (an exclamation mark) which meant it could be a problem with the line or something in the house. The fault has been escalated to another team who can get in touch with Openreach, so now i have to wait to see if I will get a call."

Maybe if you want to improve the downstream sync and hence throughput speed you will have to push Orange to arrange for an Openreach SFI engineer to thoroughly test your line from the NTE5 test socket to the exchange. You stated earlier that everything is OK on your side of the NTE5 and certainly everything seemed to be in order at the back of the NTE5 as shown in the photo.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 25-Sep-12 15:01:29
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In reply to a post by 4M2:
Is your current downstream throughput speed sufficient for your needs? Even if it is I agree that the situation is far from satisfactory but do you wish to pursue the matter further?

It is just about enough, I just feel that I am being denied the true speed of my line when other ISPs would try and deal with this problem.

Earlier in the thread you did mention that Orange had detected a problem with the line: "Just spoken to them on the phone, they said that there was a problem with the line test (an exclamation mark) which meant it could be a problem with the line or something in the house. The fault has been escalated to another team who can get in touch with Openreach, so now i have to wait to see if I will get a call."

The escalation team performed a test and didn't find anything wrong with line, each time I have phoned customer support they have performed a line test and it was only one test that showed a fault.

Maybe if you want to improve the downstream sync and hence throughput speed you will have to push Orange to arrange for an Openreach SFI engineer to thoroughly test your line from the NTE5 test socket to the exchange. You stated earlier that everything is OK on your side of the NTE5 and certainly everything seemed to be in order at the back of the NTE5 as shown in the photo.

I very much doubt that they will do this, two members of their escalation team have both insisted that I am getting all that Orange are obliged to deliver and anymore would be a bonus, one which they're not willing to pay for or sort out.

I think the only way they will send an engineer out is if my line starts dropping as it has done previously.

Edited by deleted (Tue 25-Sep-12 15:04:37)

Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 25-Sep-12 15:11:36
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In reply to a post by beardedwonder:
...two members of their escalation team have both insisted that I am getting all that Orange are obliged to deliver and anymore would be a bonus, one which they're not willing to pay for or sort out.


OK frown
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 25-Sep-12 17:31:31
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They is actually no obligation to deliver anything, though if zero you would have an easy exit from contract.

You are not dealing with people who understand the technology, just people repeating what another poorly informed person has trained them in.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 25-Sep-12 17:51:45
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That reminds me of another story:

A friend bought a motorbike that was supposedly capable of 120 mph from a dealer, when he complained to the dealer that the bike wouldn't do 120 mph the dealer replied that UK roads are limited to a 70 mph speed limit and so we can not verify the validity of your complaint.

If the motorbike wouldn't go at 70 mph (or even perhaps 1 mph!) then I guess the dealer would have had an obligation to correct the problem for my friend�
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 25-Sep-12 18:43:48
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
You are not dealing with people who understand the technology, just people repeating what another poorly informed person has trained them in.

I think that's the crux of the problem, it is a bit annoying when I read a thread on the TalkTalk forum where a user said he didn't think he was getting the correct speed with an attenuation of 33.5dB (~8000Kbps). The admins looked into this and managed to get him up to 11949Kbps in 6 days!
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