The negativity surrounding the new Xbox One.....

Put any funny and negative video in here.

Negativity

And just for the record I am not a Sony supporter because every multi platform game I have bought during the last 3 years was for the 360 as it was a gamers machine with the best version.

So Microsoft have had quite a lot of my money,but they won't be getting anymore based on last nights show .

Edited by time2die (Wed 22-May-13 10:32:12)

The only money Microsoft get from me is from Windows 8...

Bajam! Big fall for Microsoft in convincing gamers they've created a new games machine and not a htpc that happens to play games. Good video.


Loved the Angry Joe rant btw. Definitely agree it's the end of the 'advantage' for MS, at least until they retract the secondhand installation fee and try and match Sony for online value. Blocking mates from borrowing games is just stupid: MS would be better to create an e-book lending system for games if they wanted to merely make more money from secondhand sales. That one aspect alone spells disaster for MS' PR dept as surely, we'll be seeing more of what the console is capable of (for gaming) come E3?


Looks like MS are too much in bed with EA, hence the complete lack of innovation regarding what the have to offer so far in new gaming IP. Just rehashes and American sports like NFL, baseball, hockey and the like which are only played competitively in 'America'. Always too US centric. I bet the emphasis on TV will only work well with US based services too. But I still think it's about the future evolution though agree it's probably half a generation or so too soon when gamers are screaming for a graphically enhanced gaming experience not box of tricks for tv and films.


There really isn't that much difference as far as games potential goes between the new Xbox and a PC, they even lookalike. If your games are going to forever be tied to your account you might as well stick with Steam, at least you can always download them again and you have more than 500GBs of space. PC is the way forward!

Yea I have to say I am surprised at the lack of gaming content around the Xbox it's all based on the TV services. As an entertainment hub it seems like a great little device, but I also want more power from it. It looks so ugly as well, what were they thinking? Everyone these days wants technology that is powerful but is also aesthetically pleasing, your TV is pretty much the focal point of modern day living rooms, this box will look very ugly beneath it.

Jaxx at some stage during this thread will probably say that I keep repeating myself ,but I'm totally gob smacked at the complete lack of support for who made the Xbox 360 in the first place.

The hardcore gamer,the one who will be outside the shop for hours for a midnight launch,the guy that buys the majority of games and the people that buy the console on day 1 and are never bothered about cost.

This was a brilliant chance to go head to head with the playstation 4 reveal and they totally [censored] it up Big time

I don't even think they mentioned the words game machine,like you said Spook how will all this tv even work outside of the USA and do we actually care.

There is no way on earth this will be the console of choice for gamers,and like I said Sony must have had the biggest after show party because Microsoft should have shown a Games Machine and not a giant ugly looking VCR with voice recognition and Kinnect 2.

Totally not interested,and I would rarther buy a Nintendo WIi U and that's desperate

Epic Fail in every way possible and only a fool could defend this presentation based on what it was suppose to serve ......Games.....it's suppose to be a [censored] game console for Gods sake

Edited by time2die (Wed 22-May-13 16:37:41)

I think you are getting ahead of your self. This was a hardware reveal. and reveal they did. The games will come in two weeks time at E3 - then I will decide if its worth it.

I think the fact that it runs a variant of hyper-v and 3 OS's is awesome, couple that with offloading some compute to the cloud makes judging how this will turn out quite tricky.

Writing off a console on a limited reveal is nonsense.

Edited by deleted (Wed 22-May-13 15:39:17)

And just to emphasise how much MS and EA are in bed they bring out the offloading some computing to the cloud chestnut.

Given that was totally shot down with SimCity yet MS still want to tout the same rubbish.

And as for the hardware this looks jaded already, I know this is being built to a price point but given that this may used for the next 5-7 years this looks jaded already compared to what they could have built it from.

To be honest the hardware reveal was a tiny tiny part of it they were obsessing about it's media capabilites and the only game mentioned was COD and how we will get a doggy.

There will be very little else at E3 about games i expect, MS are heading away from games and trying to compete with Smart TV's and set top boxes.

It is odd they are trying to compete with tablets and phones with Win 8 and now with media centers and smart TV's where there is lots of competition. If they stuck to their core markets and pushed home some killer products they would be ok but they seem to have lost major focus in the last three years trying to be something to everybody and thus not being attractive to anybody.

You must work for Microsoft,it's suppose to be about Gaming and if anything this is where there presentation should have focused ,E3 they could have gone on about there multimedia functions which is what the Xbox One is....A multimedia Gadget with little to do with games.

And come E3 mate I doubt you will be still singing its praises,you must be one of only a few people that actually think what they have put on the table is decent.

They talked about there Kinnect and voice control and NFL and all the other American sports games nobody gives a dam about outside of America .

This is not a Gaming machine in any shape or form,add to that they are going to charge for someone else to play a used game,that's if there is any ?

Nicely put mate and I could not agree more,I love my games like millions of other people and nothing would have made me happier than Microsoft presentation blowing me away with a great looking console and some must have games....I saw neither.

But on a a positive note they have just saved me a load of money and a massive glass shelf space on my media stand in the lounge ,I would normally fit 3 items on each shelf but it looks like the Xbox One needs the whole shelf just for itself ,and it looks like the glass shelf will have to be a inch of plated armoured glass to house it

I say something good about Microsoft therefore I must work for them? Not sure how that works?

I will admit that in the first 5 minutes I was quite impressed with the fast app switching etc but but after that it got a bit boring. I wish they had showed more games but we will see them in due course.

As for me not singing its praises after E3 - do you know something I don't? I don't see how you can judge the Xbox one after a reveal like this, same goes for the PS4.

I still believe Microsoft as a software company will have the edge when it comes to the software side of things. Being able to leverage tech from their enterprise division just goes to show that.

Edited by deleted (Wed 22-May-13 17:23:53)

Hey mate no hard feelings of course you don't work for Microsoft but your Bill gates brother in disguise .

Only me bringing a little humour into the proceedings and my utter disillusioned state of mind after what i just witnessed .

I hope they surprise at E3 myself but most of my ramblings on concern what they showed last night and where they are well and truly focussed and thats a Media Hub.

Love to come back on here June 10th -12th and say how wrong i was and my faith is restored,but the internet is alive with mass displeasure and you wont find many Gaming sites backing this Microsoft no show and thats including Xbox dedicated gaming sites .

Edited by time2die (Wed 22-May-13 18:11:02)

I think you are getting ahead of your self. This was a hardware reveal. and reveal they did. The games will come in two weeks time at E3

Do you know something we don't?

Writing off a console on a limited reveal is nonsense.

The PS4 reveal got the gaming media buzzing again for the first time in 2-3 years. If MS had anything they would have shown it. It is nonsense to believe there will be some big surprise in two weeks time.

Hitler aint happy

I hope he is right mate but my money says they will show very little,may be a new Halo and a few others but thats about it.

Im totally lost for words to be honest and find myself constantly repeating myself after what should have been a really exciting Gamers event,unfortunately someone forgot to tell Microsoft that the primary role should be a Gaming machine and we have to at least Match What the Sony presentation showed the world.


Narr........Lets give them the EA/sports show and NFL [Who Friggin cares] and a lot about Television.......Guess what i have one of them for the past 50 years ,but its got Voice Activation........Really.......So my Samsung tv at present and guess what i don't use it.

GAME OVER.............

"Whoopty [censored] do!"

From what I have read today there is going to be no backward compatibility with the 360

As I've spent quite a bit of dosh on 360 games over the past 4 years this is pretty disappointing from what looks like very capable hardware which they want 400 quid for.


There really ought to be a way to implement emulation or include a Power PC CPU as a second processor that can be fired up when a 360 game is inserted.

Yep, they have shafted their user base in favor of the shareholder its as simple as that, jumped in bed with EA just to spit roast you and me for extra measure, though I saw that one coming last week. Banged on about TV and more [censored] TV, a good dose of Sports and Football America. When it came to game CoD, a [censored] dog, just like in Fable well I was [censored] amazed, not.

In summary it was a braying donkey that springs to mind.

Edited by NilSatisOptimum (Wed 22-May-13 20:26:43)

Not just any old dog......it was scanned from a real deal, navy seal dog don't you know?

My dog's name is Charlie and he is the village idiot. The whole street gets hours of enjoyment from sticking him in a pillow case and repeatedly lobbing him from a first floor window onto the kids trampoline. That's social gaming right there.

And it doesn't cost 400 quid.

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Not just any old dog......it was scanned from a real deal, navy seal dog don't you know?

My dog's name is Charlie and he is the village idiot. The whole street gets hours of enjoyment from sticking him in a pillow case and repeatedly lobbing him from a first floor window onto the kids trampoline. That's social gaming right there.

And it doesn't cost 400 quid.

LOL

Xbox One Summed Up

You might like this:

Why Xbox One Fails

Yeah seen it mate and was extremely funny,i watched countless trashing videos of the xbox one which as a gamer i am not happy about.

The mind boggles as to what Microsoft key men were thinking about and i don't know how they can turn this around,only a Magical E3 presence totally focussed on Games and mind blowing New IP'S can they at least redeem themselves,but personally i think they have done extreme damage to the Xbox Brand and have handed the next generation console war well and truly right into Sony Hands.

I am a supporter of all great gaming consoles but sadly the once great Nintendo are in decline and have seriously lost there way especially with the Joker in the pack the Nintendo Wii U which apart from been seriously under powered for a suppose next generation console it also has no decent games and 3rd party developers eloping at a frantic rate.

The only positive thing i saw from the Xbox One [stupid name] presentation was there commitment and announcement that it will ship worldwide Holiday 2013.

Now if Sony are wise and have learnt there lesson they will do exactly the same,because as we know they have stated at the moment with there Feb Reveal that it will ship Holiday 2013 in at least one territory .

Given Sony recent Playstation releases that territory has never been Europe there biggest fan base but the americas and Japan with Europe always coming some 5 months later normally around March.

If they do the same then they will have made a fatal mistake and it may well force people that have no real interest in Xbox One to purchase that console to play the next generation games that will ship november time.

I love games especially games like the Playstation exclusive The last of Us in 3 weeks time,given whats out in November like Watchdogs,Destiny and a load of others ,why would i want to play these games on last generation hardware when there is a next generation console on the market.

So Sony if you really want to sink the Microsoft Ship then release the Playstation 4 at the same time and gamers will flock to your console in there droves unless Microsoft have something really special up there sleeves but I'm calling they don't.

Another funny Hitler Xbox One Rant

Edited by time2die (Thu 23-May-13 12:29:17)

Another Good Read and to be honest you don't have to go far to find so much negativity towards Microsoft.

At a cost yes am sure they will add another CPU

A good lunchtime giggle, to lighten my thoughts the Xbox 1.

I wonder if its too late in the game for either of them to change specs...like swapping in some more ram etc.

Ram would not be a big issue as i would guess they have a few extra slots,Sony have little need to add anymore as there specs are fine.

Microsoft as you know said they will ship the Xbox 1 with 8gig of ram but did not mention what type so we are guessing that it is what was rumoured the GDR 3 or whatever you call it.

Its all a bit of a smoke storm if you ask me and there are more questions to answer after there so called Reveal than there was before it.

Personally i think they have just crapped on the core audience, the gamers that would have bought the console on Day 1and i think they have really opened up a huge can of worms and gone completely in the wrong direction.

Even though its so heavily media focussed ,outside of the USA its virtually useless........Not that i give a rats [censored].

It would be quite amusing if all that stuff they showed us for the TV experience did not work in the UK! To make it work here it will at least need to work with Sky and Virgin Media.

Xbox one will use DDR3 vs GDDR5 for PS4. Higher bandwidth at the expense of cost and availability. I think I'd rather have GDDR5 though!

Edited by deleted (Thu 23-May-13 15:54:14)

They have already said some of the multimedia functions regarding Tv wont work outside of the USA .

Suppose we will just have wait for E3 and the Microsoft no show part two,if they have any basic knowledge and understanding and watch all the twitter,facebook and all the other Media fury then they will step up there act.

After all Facebook and Twitter and the Rest are all social Media and they certainly know a lot about MEDIA.

Shaggy

Edited by time2die (Thu 23-May-13 16:52:57)

However they have too actually read what's being said in media in the first place, then god forbid, actually counter and be positive. I can't see Microsoft from this point, pull off E3! All I see from Microsoft these days is innovative in ways to wreck their loyal customer base. They deserve what's coming.

Edited by NilSatisOptimum (Thu 23-May-13 17:45:11)

Totally Agree mate and i hope that those loyal gaming fans leave them in there droves and elope to the Playstation 4,i would say the PC but thats owned basically by Microsoft.

Seriously i hope that people vote with there wallets and Microsoft go down the same console route as Sega But for different reasons,and one of those reasons is Greed and another is this has nothing to do with Games and Gamers which built the Xbox Brand in the First place.

You have to seriously ask who is responsible for this god dam terrible decision to bring out fundamentally a Media Centre with Kinect 2.0 and Voice recognition and a tie in with EA games that nobody gives a Toss about.

Take away the success of the Nintendo wii [a one of]and just look at the sales of the Nintendo Wii U the Xbox Brand was the console of choice for a serious Gamer [consoles that is not PC]........Why would you throw that down the gutter.

Could be the spies in there camp got the wrong information and thought that Sony would do the same thing,or clever Sony let them think that is what they were going to do.

Either way these machines would have been in development for years and there basically is no way of turning back.

I think its a interesting thought really given that Sony has Smart Televisions and other media devices,get the wrong information on what you think your competitor is doing and hey presto you end up with this Xbox One Garbage.

Interesting

Article

And i may yet revert to buying one after this event on Tuesday Evening and especially if they bring a new Zelda Or Metroid to the show.

Edited by time2die (Thu 23-May-13 18:12:46)

TV side, suspect it will be just a HDMI pass through for UK and many regions. So still needing remote to change channels, and no data integration, unless Sky manage to get an app into the device that is more than just a video player.

The PS2 never really died, so the xbox 360 may do the same, carrying on for some years in various forms.

Now if smartglass can be made more useful e.g. better server browser.

In things like BF/COD running a larger map on the smartglass would be more akin to real life with referring to maps to decide where to go what to do.

In reply to a post by huwwatkins:

You might like this:

Why Xbox One Fails

When you put it like that why would anyone want one

Smartglass is using your tablet as an extra screen? Yeah, having a better mini map would be good for BF3, GTAIV etc. I hate (and I mean HATE) the mini map in BF3. It sucks big time.

In reply to a post by time2die:

The only positive thing i saw from the Xbox One [stupid name] presentation was there commitment and announcement that it will ship worldwide Holiday 2013.

Now if Sony are wise and have learnt there lesson they will do exactly the same,because as we know they have stated at the moment with there Feb Reveal that it will ship Holiday 2013 in at least one territory .

Holiday 2013?? When is that??
Not that I'm bothered but I have no idea what holiday 2013 means.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Smartglass is using your tablet as an extra screen? Yeah, having a better mini map would be good for BF3, GTAIV etc. I hate (and I mean HATE) the mini map in BF3. It sucks big time.

Play on the hardcore servers then

In reply to a post by NilSatisOptimum:

Yep, they have shafted their user base in favor of the shareholder its as simple as that, jumped in bed with EA just to spit roast you and me for extra measure, though I saw that one coming last week. Banged on about TV and more [censored] TV, a good dose of Sports and Football America. When it came to game CoD, a [censored] dog, just like in Fable well I was [censored] amazed, not.

In summary it was a braying donkey that springs to mind.

ea are a company that decimated good devs. buy sell keep the best before they even came to fruitition.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

TV side, suspect it will be just a HDMI pass through for UK and many regions. So still needing remote to change channels, and no data integration, unless Sky manage to get an app into the device that is more than just a video player.

The PS2 never really died, so the xbox 360 may do the same, carrying on for some years in various forms.

Now if smartglass can be made more useful e.g. better server browser.

In things like BF/COD running a larger map on the smartglass would be more akin to real life with referring to maps to decide where to go what to do.

the ps2 never really took off. personally i went pc at that point and quite glad i did.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

TV side, suspect it will be just a HDMI pass through for UK and many regions. So still needing remote to change channels, and no data integration, unless Sky manage to get an app into the device that is more than just a video player.

The PS2 never really died, so the xbox 360 may do the same, carrying on for some years in various forms.

Now if smartglass can be made more useful e.g. better server browser.

In things like BF/COD running a larger map on the smartglass would be more akin to real life with referring to maps to decide where to go what to do.

the ps2 never really took off. personally i went pc at that point and quite glad i did

just look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83EUuibmDp8&list=FLd6...

that isnt me or anything to do with me. fuckign scrubs

Edited by deleted (Thu 23-May-13 19:54:23)

The two things which really annoy me about the Xbox One that I just can't ignore or be positive about at all (even from MS' point of view) is the definite requirement for always on internet (regardless if that's constant or not) and the blocking of borrowing games. Both unforgivable and unnecessary conditions in my opinion.

Oh, and I should add the requirement to buy the Kinect and always have that attached in order to use the console is ludicrous and alienating too (how many people want to have an active camera system connected to the web pointed their way 24 hours a day?)

Most of the people I know who have an Xbox 360 don't have broadband at all. Full stop. Actually that's everyone apart from some of the guys on this forum. And they don't live in emerging markets or developing countries or in highly isolated rural areas. They live in cities. And they buy trade in games and trade in games they've bought full price in order to... play more games! Duh. Microsoft!!! Now, even if they wanted to upgrade to the new Xbox they can't. They're stuck with the old one.

I actually felt ambivalent about the new Xbox and all its media features and innovative (gimicky) functions before as I wanted to remain open minded and be a little more positive and thoughtful about acknowledging and accepting MS' long held view of becoming a central entertainment hub. They're not alone in this ambition but they're certainly going about it the wrong with in cannibalising a very succesful games console, ripping its guts out and plonking it back in, trojan horse fashion, as a new console. It makes me think I wouldn't be surprised to see an Xbox 720 announced at E3 just for gaming but probably just not this year.

Yeah, c'mon Microsoft. Release the real succesor to the Xbox 360 as well as a media centre that happens to play games like a PC.

Hardcore in BF2, meant they took away all the vehicles and you spent most of your time running from one location to another.

The other type of hardcore gaming meant knives oot and lots of people bunny hopping everywhere.

Yeah, I'm not l337 enough for hardcore just yet I don't think but it would be nice to get a proper map for sure or none at all even, I guess. It's a distraction I tell ya.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

The two things which really annoy me about the Xbox One that I just can't ignore or be positive about at all (even from MS' point of view) is the definite requirement for always on internet (regardless if that's constant or not) and the blocking of borrowing games. Both unforgivable and unnecessary conditions in my opinion.

Oh, and I should add the requirement to buy the Kinect and always have that attached in order to use the console is ludicrous and alienating too (how many people want to have an active camera system connected to the web pointed their way 24 hours a day?)

Most of the people I know who have an Xbox 360 don't have broadband at all. Full stop. Actually that's everyone apart from some of the guys on this forum. And they don't live in emerging markets or developing countries or in highly isolated rural areas. They live in cities. And they buy trade in games and trade in games they've bought full price in order to... play more games! Duh. Microsoft!!! Now, even if they wanted to upgrade to the new Xbox they can't. They're stuck with the old one.

I actually felt ambivalent about the new Xbox and all its media features and innovative (gimicky) functions before as I wanted to remain open minded and be a little more positive and thoughtful about acknowledging and accepting MS' long held view of becoming a central entertainment hub. They're not alone in this ambition but they're certainly going about it the wrong with in cannibalising a very succesful games console, ripping its guts out and plonking it back in, trojan horse fashion, as a new console. It makes me think I wouldn't be surprised to see an Xbox 720 announced at E3 just for gaming but probably just not this year.

Yeah, c'mon Microsoft. Release the real succesor to the Xbox 360 as well as a media centre that happens to play games like a PC.

i leave my smartphone at home now when i go out on my motorbike. i have done for years.......

That's an American term for November time,it's actually worded holiday season .

In reply to a post by time2die:

That's an American term for November time,it's actually worded holiday season .

In marketing Xmas is known as the PGGS, Primary Gift Giving Season.

In the USA you have Thanksgiving in November and that is seen as the start of the PGGS and the ads etc all start rampiing up for Xmas.

This is where you get Black Thursday etc all come from as Marketing terms that have leaked out and have absolutly no relevance on this side of the Atlantic.

That reminds me people are bunny hopping a lot at the mo in BF3
That needs to be fixed it's ridicules. Tawts

In reply to a post by undecidedadrian:

This is where you get Black Thursday etc all come from as Marketing terms that have leaked out and have absolutly no relevance on this side of the Atlantic.

Good job too. Fecking yanks and their stupid sayings

Yes they do it makes my eyes bulge and my sphincter tighten with anger

In reference to m.uk.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Always_Online_Connection:

The Xbox One does not require an Always Online Connection, but it does require a periodic internet connection. After connecting your console to the internet and logging in to your Xbox Live, you can play a game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console. [1] Offline gaming is not possible after these time limits until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies offline.
As explained by Microsoft, �Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play�no more waiting for updates. While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection. Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you�re not playing."

I cannot believe that anybody reading this statement would buy one of these consoles. The arrogance of an American mega corporation banking on the gullibility of it's core customer base, is almost too difficult to comprehend.

I hope this turns out to be the biggest own goal ever scored by corporate greed. I'm actually willing it to blow up in their faces as publicly as is possible.

To be honest they have blown any advantage of owning a console away.

Console owners have to pay more for the games as the hardware is partially subsidised and MS/Sony/Nintendo gets a cut of the game price in liscensing fees.

It is why companies look at the amount of games that each owner buys in that life cycle.

If they are to introduce this sort of PC style DRM on the system you might as well not bother and go back to PC and buy games off steam.

They at least are cheaper than consoles when new and older games drop in price.

But there will still be people happy enough to take what is dished out and will happily empty their wallets and moan yet do nothing about it.

Edited by deleted (Sun 09-Jun-13 12:30:20)

I agree, but I honestly don't think this model will ever work. I rarely take a copy of games to a friends and never take my console when travelling. If I buy a used game I would be happy to pay a couple of quid to the developer. That's because I buy use game that have dropped to a tenner. I would never buy a used game for 30 quid in the first place. So it doesn't really affect me, but I still simply wouldn't buy into it out of principal. As you say, there are other options.

I do however see a slow humiliating climb down already beginning and if they haven't fully grasped the pending flop of Wii U proportions, they will do when Sony's pre orders eclipse their own.

As will companies such as Respawn Entertainment who have "sold" (literally) their soul to the console devil (which is a great shame as "TitanFall" sounded like a really interesting new IP).

And E3 will be make or break for Sony as the king of the next generation is surely there's for the taking .

They need to clarify there stance as they have not actually talked to much about trade in of games and the other things Microsoft are getting strung up for.

All we know is it does not need to connected to the Internet to play games,if Sony are wise then they can reign supreme and put the nail in the coffin for Xbox One butSony have a history of making the wrong decisions.

If some of the top brass at Sony have been monitoring the media and the uproar concerning the Xbox one then they don't have to do much to win the war of next generation consoles.

What does surprise me is the amount of morons still interested in something that is going to destroy gaming as we know it.

Another shock and surprise is the fact that giants like Amazon say the Xbox one is the most successful console in preorder history and out selling the playstation 4 in there preorder chart,same goes for Blockbusters,my local shop has 10 for Xbox one and 7 for playstation 4 and he said this a generally how it is throughout the stores around the country.

Are people really that stupid having witnessed Microsoft reveal ,I have. already signed countless online petitions regarding Xbox one and I really can never see me actually buying one in the future.

In fact there is more chance of me buying a Nintendo Wii U and that's a joke in itself.

To be honest, I'm not that worried. I believe the conferences will highlight the differences tomorrow and the PS4's graphical advantage will speak for itself. I believe the developer fraternity, not the MS marketing train.

I definitely won't be buying the xboxone and I'm not sure I need to buy a PS4
BF4 will be on the PS3, I'm not going to pay out £200+ just to play a game with slightly better graphics

I'm not going to pay out £200+ just to play a game with slightly better graphics

I am, can't wait!

Swanny it wont just be Battlefield my friend there will be many games that will be exclusive to Playstation 4 and even if they are on the ageing Playstation 3 they are going to look a lot better on a P4.

i really think you will end up getting a Playstation 4 but not at the release date as thats only us hardcore gamers like myself and mrnelster that support the Gaming industry will be doing that

Unlike the cheap skates who will be waiting a year or 2 for a price drop.

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

I'm not going to pay out £200+ just to play a game with slightly better graphics

I am, can't wait!

Me to........Front of the Queue unless Sony completely [censored] it up tomorrow

Looking forward to seeing a bit more info with E3 - obviously there has been some pretty horrific press, but I'm not going to throw my toys out the pram and say I'll never get an Xbox One because the simple fact of the matter is that it's early days yet, we just don't know enough about either machine to make an informed decision.

Xbone priced at £500ish when you take the required Xbox live subscription into account.

Not going down well on the web so far.

Im watching the xbox presentation as i type this,Metal Gear looks awesome but im still not sold and that game will also be on a Playstation 4.

Im to tired to watch Sony Conference that kicks of at 2am uk time so i will watch a rerun tomorrow at some stage,all i wont now is some confirmed release date and price from Sony and The Last of Us on Thursday.

TitanFall looks pants........Move on nothing exciting here.