Lets discuss this Connection issue with Nelly ?

Lets have a link to problems with online connections such as Nellys and the fact that he seems to struggle to find any decent server and suffers really bad when playing online even though he has a super fast Fibre connection.

I know we have done this to death on many different forum threads but the more information we gather the clearer things may become.

I know others have consoles and play games without any problems and I'm one of them apart from the other night when battlefield 4 was unplayable,but i put that down to the server issues and not my connection as i played Killzone for about 4 hours last night and never encountered one single problem.

There will be many other console gamers with Fibre connections that don't have issues,Spook lives very close to his exchange and has a Fibre connection but don't get online problems like Nelly,but the difference here is Spook uses a PC unlike Nelly that uses a state of the art Gaming Machine

Anyone else that has a Fibre connection and a console post your online thoughts and opinions,do you suffer with online problems and connections,how far are you from the exchange?

Im pretty close myself and don't encounter half the problems Nellys does so why is that ?

I am not on Fibre but ADSL Max at around 6 Mbps and generally my online gaming is fine, have not tried BF4 obviously but it was ok in BFBC2 and BF3.

I am sure Nelly has ruled this out but could it be a problem with your router ? Are you connecting using wireless or a wired connection ?

Knowing his love of games i would hazard a guess that its hot wired mate,nobody that loves games like he does would go for a wireless connection,saying that then if thats the case then you would defiantly be on to something but i doubt it very very much.

i use the Homeplugs to steam the Fibre down from the office to behind the Television,one of the best things i ever bought i can tell you that having put up with wireless gaming connections up until about 4 years ago when i heard about these babies

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

I am not on Fibre but ADSL Max at around 6 Mbps and generally my online gaming is fine, have not tried BF4 obviously but it was ok in BFBC2 and BF3.

I am sure Nelly has ruled this out but could it be a problem with your router ? Are you connecting using wireless or a wired connection ?

So thats sorted then��seems we have a new nickname for Mrnelster���NELLY

Nelly tell us your set up and what equipment/Router/firmware you using,wired or wireless,i would really like to get this sorted for you if thats possible ,but from your previous posts i think I'm right in thinking it has nothing to do with your equipment and the way the games on consoles operate ?

What i don't get is the fact that there are many others in exactly the same position as you that don't encounter the issues you do,and thats the part i just don't understand ,if it was across the board then i get it but it isn't and thats the bit thats not sinking in.

I know you about to petition EA/Dice but who is your ISP and what do they have to say about your problems,whats the point in paying for a premium service and not getting any benefit out of it ?

Im guessing Nell that you upgraded to Fibre because of your passion for Gaming and not downloading stuff 10x faster.

Well i have fttc and connect at the full 80/20MB Bt profile with no issues at all wirelessly.
Played BF3 and all COD games upto MW3 on the 360, also Ghosts on Xbox One with no issues at all!!
Do you have fttc or fttp Nelly? Dunno if that would or even should make a difference to his online woes

I can answer that as far as I know, Nelly said he uses Plusnet like me and that he's got FTTC. If he's got FTTP then I'll be dam.ned and he can sort it out himself.

He's not alone as I recall in suffering due to poor 'matchmaking' as the game devs describe it. Can't remember but it's always been COD games that used to get him, then Battlefield 3 and now 4. He used to say it was something to do with latency compensation - his being ultra fast so some kind of artificial lag would be applied to his connection which bu'ggered things up for him big time as it did anyone hosting a game with a super fast connection (importantly faster than the average player who connected).

He used to think using dedicated servers would help then investigated client side/server side hit detection issues which I believe Mr Toady knows a lot about.

I think Nelly should just bin his PS4 and go get a proper gaming machine like me. Soup up a PC or just borrow one or use a laptop or something and try playing any kind of online FPS just to see what gives. Though I'm not an ace player with catlike reflexes I'm not entirely hopeless either and used to do all right back in the day. I couldn't say I've particularly suffered any problems as Nels describes.

I had a game in BF4 tonight where everything went to pot and even the text input lagged a couple of minutes behind what I was typing (no sheet!) It was absurd and the tanks were sliding all over the place. I would urge Mr Nelly to give the game a much longer try out than he has and to really try different servers first before coming to any firm conclusions: try servers far away if you think your connection is working against you that way. Try different things.

Lastly, Battlefield games take a while to get used to. I know there's no good reason for you getting such low score per minute (not skill based) but once you're more familiar with the maps and more in the zone you'll rack up plenty of points without much effort. Sometimes you can get into a negative pattern against the flow as, if you go Commander you will see how true this is, what you get are waves and waves of enemy players all going for the same spot (a bottleneck of sorts) or find yourself unwittingly facing off a whole rapidly deploying squad where you just can't win no matter what. It pays to take a step back and try spawning with a strong squad or at least running behind someone else! Seriously, use them as the bullet magnet as like Toady said, it's pretty hard at times spotting the enemy player for all the foliage and smaller player models/camouflage. Don't give up Nelly! And do complain to DICE. There are millions of us with some complaint about the game. The number of bugs is ludicrous. They should have at least sorted out the servers by now.

Thanks SPOOK.

The thing is, the game renders beautifully. No slipping, sliding or rubber banding. I think we need to differentiate between lag (as in the game state itself) and "lagging" behind the play. I tried the careful approach last night and took a sniper rifle to Hainin in the bushes at the rear of the multi storey. I shot a guy twice in the centre chest from the ground, 50m away max? He didn't die. A few seconds later it says "kill assist counted as kill" or something similar. It's frustratingly illogical and I don't get it.

I believe it's the netcode, not the line or any of the accessories (routers/cables etc.) and that I am being placed into games containing substantially higher latency players than my sub 10ms. Toady's supposition that the client side detection allows a collision detection advantage is (rightly or wrongly) of no real consequence if there is a positioning disadvantage. That clearly explains the lack of hit markers and why aim assist doesn't work. I suspect aim assist requires you to be within a set parameter of the "character box" before locking on. It doesnt work at all in BF4 and always behavs very strangely at times in Call of Duty. In COD, most maps have a blind corridor layout. This makes prediction code a lot more reliable and is reflected in my experience by having to camp at one end, and shoot head on to get any kind of hit detection. The openess of BF4 is non conducive in that respect. So if the sniper rifles don't work that well either, then there is little to no point in playing. I feel strongly that this is an expected result of the coding and that it is dishonest not to mention it at the point of purchase, i.e. on the box, akin to the minimum specification requirements on PC games.

They don't have any server options on console SPOOK, you can't pick a locality or connection based on latency. I personally believe that a 5 bar ping could mean anything and every server I have seen shows 5 bars. If that is populating games from 300ms downwards, my 9ms will mean I'm going to get hammered every time.

And I would definitely come to yours with my ps4, not to moan about lag, but just to let you see for yourself what Killzone really looks (and plays) like. I think I would have confidence in your opinion as to how close this ps4 game has gotten to high end PC.

I have FTTC but when I had standard ADSL it was the same but nowhere near as bad. I used to have a 30 ms ping even though my bandwidth maxed out at 1Mbps. I often had similar problems (as everybody does, it will never be perfect) but now with sub 10ms it is permanently the same.

In Killzone Shadowfall there is an online botzone, and it is the same but more telling as other players can join on the fly. You can kill the bots easily, but when the other players join the same issues start again. In the later COD games you could choose connection quality in the matchmaking menus, but still only as "Normal, Better or Best". Best came with the warning that you may have to wait for a substantially longer period for the lobby to populate. In Mercenary mode, no parties were allowed, so as to prevent matched latencies inviting their high ping friends into the game. It still wasn't ideal with just "Normal, Better and Best" but it did go some way to improving things.

The crucial point here is choice. I would happily wait longer to get into the right game, than have poor experiences forced upon me. Believe me, everybody (and I mean absolutely anybody) with a KD above 1.5 that isnt a sniper/camper and likes to assault bases, need an honest appraisal of their abilities. It is without a doubt most likely to be connection based.

Could you try downloading/uploading something whilst joining a server or even during the whole round to see if that helps at all, as it should affect your ping at the time? I know it wouldn't be a permanent fix but may explain if it is that your connection is so good!!

Also this is my Pingtest result
[IMG]http://www.pingtest.net/result/90559914.png[/IMG]

Speedtest result
[IMG]http://www.speedtest.net/result/3168705544.png[/IMG]

I see none of the issues you describe Nelly, really is a strange one eh!!

Good idea Jorkila, I think I recall that pingtest site has some more advanced tools to measure connection stats?

My own ping and bandwidth results.

Showoff

I am sure Killzone exceeds anything I've seen on the PC for graphics, including Skyrim all souped up with the texture pack and modded to the hilt. Sometimes it's more about the artist's creative vision and palette that makes for appealing visuals rather than sheer detail alone. Would love to see this and play it in single player, even give multiplayer a go.

Don't know how you'd feel about PC gaming Nelly? It looks very much like you'd enjoy the experience to be honest. You seem to be craving the types of online games that work best for PC. Do you think you could rent a gaming PC for a bit? Is there such a service? I'd loan you mine if you could pick it up but I'd have to give it a deep clean if ya know what I mean. Get rid of all the naughty stuff.

Can't believe there are no server filtering options? I've got an idea though but wouldn't know how to implement it but could you try to connect your router via a proxy server someplace then you can put Jorkila's suggestion into practise. I don't think downloading is going to interrupt you ping and latency too much as your bandwidth is probably far too high: that said the upload side should if you can seed a popular torrent or somesuch but that just seems a little but worth trying just as a temporary measure.

As for the sniper side in BF4. It can take several hits at times. There are GUN symbols at designated points on certain maps and you'll find a unique weapon including a very high powered sniper rifle (a proper one shot to kill model). The trouble is there's these defensive perks you can equip that increase the amount of damage you can take and there can be medic supplies about too plus you begin to heal quite quickly and I'm not sure how long it was between the 2 shots. A headshot would have earned you more points but by all accounts you got more than 75% player damage as you got a 'Kill Assist counts as Kill' message. For all you know the guy could have only had 5% or less health left when you'd finished with him and someone else cleaned up after you. That used to happen a lot with me in BF2 so it's good you finally get some credit (fair play DICE).

It's far too early for you to come to the conclusion the game is flat out not worth playing and you will adjust and your score will dramatically improve. Ccxo is right about learning the maps as you'll have a far better idea about where to expect enemy and can filter things better to narrow your focus.

I'm getting better myself. It's only taken me about 100 hours of playing so far and I am only really just starting to understand the maps. Ok, so I am admittedly a bit of a slow learner but it does make an enormous difference. I was playing Silk Road last night and got stuck with some noobhead in an APC who was completely wasting our time shooting into the air at a helo too high for him when he should have been far more focused and heading off to a capture point. Needless to say the chopper was an attack model and destroyed us before I even had the chance to hop out.

No doubt! I like your download speed though.

See, your 18ms is a weird one. My line is almost the same as SPOOK, so saturating the upload would be unrealistic. Also, he is on PC so has server options to reduce the risks of high pingers. But why don't you suffer as bad? And Timey as well? I need to talk to my ISP first and see if there are routing issues.

For example, on Blacklight Retribution I can see my ping and it is always between 60 and 180ms. It is only a *Beta and in my experience things normally get worse on release proper (too many players and not enough servers means accurate matchmaking normally gives way to demand), but you can see that your ping is better matched. You can also see that a 100ms advantage between matched ability is still substantial and the guys on180ms are harder too kill than those on 60-80 (like me) which is likely why pro gamers are so retentive with regard to lower ping times.

You for example, could have a different route when gaming, increasing your latency. I hear back haul has an effect on latency too, so talking to my ISP may enlighten me even if they cannot do anything about it.

*When I played BFBC and BF3, both betas were ok. Not great, but ok. On release, both were unplayable for me.

I'm pretty rubbish with a sniper rifle and I rarely get kills but seem to die a lot from others with the same kit. I.m sure you know that in BF games you have to allow for bullet drop over distances.

Meeting up at Spooks sounds like a great idea

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

I'm pretty rubbish with a sniper rifle and I rarely get kills but seem to die a lot from others with the same kit. I.m sure you know that in BF games you have to allow for bullet drop over distances.

Meeting up at Spooks sounds like a great idea

Unless he is a complete Pschopath and resembles Leather face from Texas Chainsaw Masacre ?

Then that idea don't seem so good

It's not just me then.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadvie...

Haven't had a chance to speak to Plusnet yet, but the guys at Aquiss agreed that low ping was a distinct disadvantage without accurate matchmaking. Pity I couldn't afford to stay with them.

Doesn't explain why jorky thinks his is fine unless he has worse routing to their servers, which is exactly what I want to discuss with Plusnet. I'm assuming I connect through Plusnet > Playstation Network > DICE? If I could ping the PSN from my PC we could compare with other users here and possibly eliminate that first?

Can you go through a proxy server? Is that even an option or even worth pursuing?



Well, the link you give makes for interesting reading.

Lag switches...

Edited by deleted (Wed 18-Dec-13 17:12:49)

Timey's place is likely not only much bigger than my small hovel but far tidier so I vote we all storm round there. I'm sure his missus won't mind!

I always seem to connect to a poxy server.

Been reading a little about VPN's but I don't know if when set up via the PC, whether it will encompass internet traffic from all devices (which would be necessary for it to be effective with consoles).

Is a proxy the same sort of thing?

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Is a proxy the same sort of thing?

Dunno. But surely this is the right place to ask? Not this particular forum of course. you don't get any knowledgeable guys about t'internet in here. But there must be someone here somewhere.

Yah, poxy servers. Like it! I've found quite a few of those too but maybe for different reasons though the more I read about the issues (that thread link you posted) the more I realise I've seen examples of that in my own gaming experiences.

Do you reckon it's worth finding out more about that lag switch thing? Might be interested myself if it gave me a leg up! Gotta be worth experimenting with just for educational purposes I guess.

It appears a proxy is a cheapass version of a VPN. I'm not interestsed in anonymity, just a longer route to server, say 70ms overall. Will PM you the details when I choose a provider.

Cool. You can get free proxys is all but I have no idea about setting them up. If you chose one in the US you'd get a nice 100-150ms and more latency. Ooh. Lovely! Might be a lot more than that though all things considered. I dunno

Good luck with the VPN. I'll be interested to hear how it's going. Guess they won't let you connect to games outside Europe on your PS4 then eh? I can play in the States or even Australia if I want. Ah. Life on a PC eh? Can't beat it.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Is a proxy the same sort of thing?

Do you reckon it's worth finding out more about that lag switch thing? Might be interested myself if it gave me a leg up! Gotta be worth experimenting with just for educational purposes I guess.

h4x0r!!

White hat. White hat! Gotta be one to know what they're like y'know. Plus, it'd be nice to improve my game for a little while.

We'll since playing ghosts on my XBONE I've been having some seriously shocking rounds, now I'm not one to blame my connection as it's is very good and not super low latency like Nelster's but at times I'm losing every 50/50 and dying before I even manage to aim which seems a bit suspect at best.
Sometimes I'll watch the kill cams and. Ore often than not it's like they've seen me a second or two before I see them, I even get hit markers on hardcore game modes!
I've let my lad have a go and on previous COD's he's one of those that gets 40+ kills to less than 20 deaths every time but not on ghosts.
So at the minute I'm putting it down to being a new game and not connection but as I said at times it just feels that I was never gonna kill these guys even if I was given a days notice that they were gonna be there!!!

Called failing Eye site matey and old age ? Ask Spook and Nelly about it they give you some good gaming tips has something to do with Horlick's i think and Tena for men so you don't have to keep putting down the controller to relieve yourself every 5 minutes

You may be onto something there Timey but with me only being 34 I don't think I'm quite there yet

Yeah, 34. I remember. Still young enough not to really have to think about being old. I'm 40 now and though that's still spring chicken territory as far as old duffers like Timey are concerned, it really does make me think where did all that time go? My eyesight was shot by the time I was 24 I think. Though it's nowhere near as bad as Timey's....

As it's early days still I guess you and your son will rapidly improve in COD Ghosts. Is it a decent effort would you say and have you tried BF4 yet? It is somewhat concerning though I have to say. It's hard for me to judge cos I don't have a console and I play cra.p most of the time anyhow.

My K/D ratio has improved a bit but it's too early to have a lasting effect on my overall stats. I know the feeling tho, all too well. I don't think there's a kill cam as such in BF4: if it's enabled the player who killed you goes red in colour and it shows you where he was - no replay tho.

Happy Xmas btw Jorky! Everyone has to have a 'Y' affixed to the end of their username now by the way. Get in the festive spirit!!

Edited by deleted (Fri 20-Dec-13 17:58:04)

Back atcha!

Happy Xmas mate!

Happy Xmas mate have a good one

34 those were the days,think the milkman used a horse and cart then for delivering Milk when i was that age,and alpine and corona pop were been delivered along with the black faced Coal men.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Yeah, 34. I remember. Still young enough not to really have to think about being old. I'm 40 now and though that's still spring chicken territory as far as old duffers like Timey are concerned, it really does make me think where did all that time go? My eyesight was shot by the time I was 24 I think. Though it's nowhere near as bad as Timey's....

As it's early days still I guess you and your son will rapidly improve in COD Ghosts. Is it a decent effort would you say and have you tried BF4 yet? It is somewhat concerning though I have to say. It's hard for me to judge cos I don't have a console and I play cra.p most of the time anyhow.

My K/D ratio has improved a bit but it's too early to have a lasting effect on my overall stats. I know the feeling tho, all too well. I don't think there's a kill cam as such in BF4: if it's enabled the player who killed you goes red in colour and it shows you where he was - no replay tho.

Happy Xmas btw Jorky! Everyone has to have a 'Y' affixed to the end of their username now by the way. Get in the festive spirit!!

Hey remember���.It aint posted yet so don't cheek the older and wiser people that inhabit these very gaming forums you troll on

Spent 5 hours on me Wii U tonight playing Zelda Windwalker HD ,the games about 10 years old and its still draws me in like playing it for the first time and it looks 10 times better,Nintendo controller don't have to much life though,even worse than the new playstation 4 duel shock that last a mere 4 hours.

Edited by time2die (Sat 21-Dec-13 01:47:33)

Corona - get bizzy with der fizzy! Um? Or was that sodastream?? My uncle is your age and used to have lots of Corona stickers all over his bed. Little bubble men or something I recall. His family used to have Corona delivered with the milk. And you used to get money back at the shop for returning the empty bottles. Dem were the days...

Haha. I enjoyed that Zelda game I played on the SNES. It's cool you're enjoying it so much in HD glory on the Wii U. It's nice to play games of these types. They're not as stressful as say, I dunno, BF4!!!?? Hehe.

I'm off to bed now grandpa. Read me a story? Once upon a time there was a little boy called Spook. He didn't have a Playstation 3. For a long time he didn't believe in consoles. He thought they were for children and far inferior to PCs that grown ups like him used to play...

Sorry mate couldn't resist. Night night! I gotta go get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs. Been a long day. Got me hot water bottle filled.

Blacklight Retribution.

You can see everybody's latency live, next to their points on the scoreboard. You can actually watch it fluctuating. You can see that the highest pingers (usually only one or two in a game. say 600-900 ms) struggle to score kills and usually have a negative KD. Overall however, the lobby's are fairly evenly matched latency wise. This is a Beta mind, and things could change, but I have never had such a level playing field. I am top half if not top three in most games and can actually rack up streaks. And it seems from the scoreboard that most players are the same, other than that high ping guy that always manages to get in.

It does have some proper lag/warping/sliding through walls going on in the odd game, but you can normally see the high pings when it happens and just leave, but overall it is very balanced. Yet some people are claiming that it is broken and doesn't work. I wonder if they used to get really good KD's and have now been found out by a decent attempt at matchmaking?

[censored] 'em I say.

Well mate if you like that game its a sad state of affairs given you have Killzone and Battlefield on your Playstation 4.

I played it and within minutes deleted it of my precious hard drive space because my personal thoughts of the game couldn't be printed on these forums.

Played a Battlefield 4 game tonight 64 players and it ran as sweet as a nut,so did the quick test i did in Killzone which was a 24 player team death match,no lag,no slowdown,and plenty of kills

But after that i went back to Zelda since there was little happening on the Playstation 4 and the fact you were playing that free excuse for a FPS

600-900ms? Wow. Almost a second's worth of latency. Where were they based? On the moon or what?

Just searched for high latency hosts in BF4 using Battlelog but there's only one showing above 350ms and that's a server in Hong Kong (355ms).

Most Aussie servers are 300ms or under. South Africa and Brazil are well under 200ms. Even Katmandu is under 300ms (266ms). Must've been downloading something or something??

Buy a PC mate. No more problem.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Well mate if you like that game its a sad state of affairs given you have Killzone and Battlefield on your Playstation 4.

It's really not that bad a game and it absolutely proves that Battlefield (and to a lesser extent Killzone) don't give a rats [censored] about their consumers, as long as the majority have a decent experience.

Blacklight is a decent enough shooter with some unique features and it is obviously trying to give console gamers the same latency information that it does to PC gamers.

[censored] EA and Dice.