Why do you always do this? you speak to a couple of people in your small bubble then quote that as the opinion of the majority of people in this country. Life is bigger than your bubble and opinions are more complicated than a single view.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I find that is happening a lot with people I chat to, they have no interest in FTTP as what they have does what they need, but their providers are pushing them to FTTP and once they do get on there they get emails upselling. Not everyone need super-duper speed and fine with even 36Mb/s.

They should have the option of staying on the same speed (or close to) for similar price, even if the technology moves from FTTC/VDSL to FTTP assuming same wholesale network partner. All bets are off if you move from an Openreach using ISP (such as Plusnet) to another wholesale network (e.g. CF/nexfibre) or an integrated alt-net such as your Zzooom.

In reply to a post by seb:

Urban will probably be quite significant. Rural will depend on the extend of overbuild vs consolidation:
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/assets/factsheet/broa...

Check page 11 on overbuild.. Already 22% have this (across UK as a whole).. We haven't published the splits..

Thanks for this, will watch with interest.

It because many ISPs will try push everyones into FTTP from ADSL/VDSL/GFAST because the techicial support will be lesser as everything will be near perfect on FTTP failure as there is no DLM on it. So, no ones will not be moaning anymore over slow speed, DLM trigger, distance issues, copper line issues etc.

Edited by adslmax (Sat 24-Aug-24 12:07:04)

It's very convenient how Adrian always speaks to people just that week about broadband-related topics that seem to support his position. I work in the industry and I don't talk to people about internet connections outside of work at all.

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

Why do you always do this? you speak to a couple of people in your small bubble then quote that as the opinion of the majority of people in this country. Life is bigger than your bubble and opinions are more complicated than a single view.

More than a couple of people. The majority of people really don't care how their broadband is delivered to them as long as they can do what they need, they would not care if it was delivered via a wet Piece of string.
It is just the Internet and network providers trying to push people onto faster broadband.

Why would then majority of people need anything super-duper fast? Streaming, no need for superfast broadband for that, even gaming don't need super-duper speed for that, gaming is more about ping. People who download a lot may need faster broadband, I must admit, when i used to download a lot of files i thought it would have been useful
Content creators may find it useful, more so upload speed than download, something Openreach have always been useless with. If there is a lot of people in the house, a faster speed may be useful.

But the majority of people need it, don't require it, and it is just sales talk and providers pushing people into it, agree or disagree, that is what it is. FTTP is cheaper to keep going, so Openrerach is pushing ISPs into pushing FTTP to customers and a lot of these ISPs are telling people they need this super-duper speed and people are saying oh yes, you are right, we do need it and then find out they don't.

People are normally changing because they have no choice, you only have to look down my street and see that the majority of houses don't have FTTP, yet. Manipulation and brainwashing, that what companies do, all companies. Just like our government trying to push people into getting smart meters and supermarkets with Loyalty cards.

You are manipulated your self, which is why just say yes, I will do it.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

They should have the option of staying on the same speed (or close to) for similar price, even if the technology moves from FTTC/VDSL to FTTP assuming same wholesale network partner. All bets are off if you move from an Openreach using ISP (such as Plusnet) to another wholesale network (e.g. CF/nexfibre) or an integrated alt-net such as your Zzooom.

They do have the option, but then as said before I changed to FTTP, what the point in going through the hassle just to stay at the same speed? I got people on here, saying FTTP is more reliable the FTTC, that it may be, but FTTC is pretty reliable for most people. ADSL may not be, but FTTC is.
as i said before, i changed because Plusnet was pushing me to FTTP, if Zzoomm was not available I would have changed to another FTTC provider if Plusnet did not offer me a good deal. I had no interest in changing to FTTP, had no need for it and still don't

In reply to a post by adslmax:

It because many ISPs will try push everyones into FTTP from ADSL/VDSL/GFAST because the techicial support will be lesser as everything will be near perfect on FTTP failure as there is no DLM on it. So, no ones will not be moaning anymore over slow speed, DLM trigger, distance issues, copper line issues etc.

they are pushing it for money, it is newer technology, the old technology is getting more difficult to keep going, you really don't think they are doing it for our benefit?

DLM was not a real problem for me.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

DLM was not a real problem for me.

Well lucky you then. Just because you didn't have a problem, don't assume that it's fine for everyone else.

Many people live a long way from a cabinet, and DLM sucks really badly for them.

FTTP is better because it's more reliable. Yes, Openreach is pumping a large amount of money into it - yes it's for commercial reasons, but it's not really about profit (if it was, they would have done it years ago). It's to prevent themselves from disappearing into irrelevance, with other newer networks being built.

But given that FTTP is being built, it makes no sense at all to be running a legacy copper network in parallel forever. It's perfectly reasonable IMO to expect people, gradually, to move across (as it becomes available, and as contracts come up for renewal). And it *does* ultimately benefit the consumer, to get a far more reliable network at a broadly similar price.

Lucky you have the choice. No sign of FTTP in my parents neighbourhood, and FTTC/VDSL is “DIG” so no ducts to the houses. After 9th OR call-out my family have moved to Virgin Media cable ; coax but it works. Neighbourhood built 1970 to 1972 and no telegraph poles in most of town, everything underground.

Town is 130,000 people and CityFibre has some areas built but appears to have slowed.