In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

No cabinets on FTTP

You missed the word “openreach” before FTTP in your sentance.

Plenty of cabinets on alt-nets, CityFibre Virgin Media/nexfibre FTTP and legacy coax.

Edited by jchamier (Sun 25-Aug-24 14:29:01)

There is multiple so called cherry areas that dont even have plans from Openreach.

I find the whole urban vs rural thing fascinating, as media article after article talks rural as some kind of wasteland for FTTP, when it has actually had most of OR's FTTP resources and build.

As an example my inner city area has no Openreach plans, not 2030, no plans. There is also no plan to close the exchange as it is a metro node. I have found other city areas in a similar situation. Wasnt hard to do after I started looking at the metro exchange locations around the country.

My area has some of the most highest housing density in the country as its dominated by terraced housing, with some HMO's mixed in as a bonus.

VM historically have been dominant here, but they are in my opinion have been asleep at the wheel, no sign of a Mustang upgrade yet and I expect carnage on their take up in the city, especially as Sky are now a CityFibre partner, and CityFibre when they are done will have almost 100% coverage of the city.

I expect take up across all FTTP to end up similar to FTTC eventually combined across all providers, but not on on any particular provider except localised in areas of infrastructure monopoly.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

It is bad when people don't have the choice, I agree with choice, both ways.

i see FTTP still have the problems that FTTC have, cars taking out cabinets.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/zzoomminherefordshir...

On ADSL the service I had was only at acceptable levels of quality during my time on Ukonline using SRA technology. On VDSL (FTTC) the copper reliability for the most was very good, sure I had dips in speed related to crosstalk, but the VDSL uptime was excellent, there was "one" occasion a car crashed into my cabinet, I will take that over the noise infested ADSL service.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

No cabinets on FTTP

Not necessarily true. This is the cabinet that contains my fibre OLT.

I can just imagine what you would say if you lived in a dark cold cave and was told you was being moved to a warm house with electric and hot running water 🤣 I bet you don't have a car and still use a push bike to get around.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

cars taking out cabinets

No cabinets on FTTP

Ours do, I pass a noisy thing on the way to work and back, also there is a small one around the corner from me.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

On ADSL the service I had was only at acceptable levels of quality during my time on Ukonline using SRA technology. On VDSL (FTTC) the copper reliability for the most was very good, sure I had dips in speed related to crosstalk, but the VDSL uptime was excellent, there was "one" occasion a car crashed into my cabinet, I will take that over the noise infested ADSL service.

I remember when I first went to ADSL, the Alcatel frog modem or stingray as some people called it. Only went to it because BT gave me free connection and I had a lodger here, and she said she would pay half of it. so i stuck the modem in place of the dial-up modem on the computer that was in my bedroom, giving us access to the net via Internet connection sharing on Windows 95, using 10Base-2 I think to connect all three machines together, mine hers and the server type thing in the bedroom. It worked well to be honest.

When she left, I just put the modem on my own computer, then though the years updated to as fast an ADSL I could get until i went to the Wireless network.

Crazy now we look at it, that I got so excited when i went from dial up to ADSL, the difference in speed was amazing, never felt that excitement moving to anything else. Maybe it is because I am older.

ADSL worked fine for what it was, the main problem I had was the speed not being constant, one day if I would get 1Mb/s and the next it could be 3. FTTC, I started to have speed problems towards the end of my contract last year., I thought maybe it was Plusnet doing things to try and push me to FTTP, then I got my TP link router and it got better.


i do feel for people who can't get decent broadband, it really needs to be sorted, instead of bothered about stupid speeds, get decent speed to people who can't get it, the same with mobile networks. We are told that 5G is faster and better, and yet there are still places where there is no signal.
There is no money in that, not worth it for a few people in a village.

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

I can just imagine what you would say if you lived in a dark cold cave and was told you was being moved to a warm house with electric and hot running water 🤣 I bet you don't have a car and still use a push bike to get around.

Sometimes i think we would be better off living in caves, as a race, humans should have stayed in them, the earth may be in a better state. We seem to use tech to find more ways to kill people.

I do use a pushbike to get around, it is electric, but I still need to peddle, nothing wrong with bikes, look at the Netherlands. Maybe if more people used them in this country, we would not have the traffic jams we have. I can get home in less than 10 minutes from work on my bike, people can be in the traffic jam for 30 minutes, some longer.

Oh yeah, my brother-in-law and sister cycle most places, they also do have a car and can both drive, but only choose to for going off or shopping.


Driving never interested me, I have seen how traffic have built up in the city over the years and thought, do i really want to be stuck in that?

I do have a motorbike licence, if i ever decided to get back on one,, while they are cheaper to run than cars, I still have no interest, constantly paying out for it. A bike gives me a bit of exercise, even with electric, as i can lower the electric assist down. If I want to go further, I can use a bus, train or even go out with my partner somewhere as she drives, but do need something smaller than the land rover.

"ADSL may not be, but FTTC is."

I know you know but with both it is still twin wires to the cabinet from the home and that is the major problem.

We have had 4 issues in the last 3 years and that was with water ingress at the cabinet and loose connections with the wires at the cabinet. Once fixed we have good speeds on FTTC and we had good speeds on ADSL.

FTTP is still better but not available for us. Some alt-nets in neighbouring streets charge £10 less for FTTP than we are paying for FTTC.

The noisy one is more likely to be a VM local master for their passive premises distribution cabinets Adrian. How long has it been there?

Don't forget that FTTP is, I believe, an Openreach-originated acronym in this country. Though now often being used by people to refer to all "full-fibre" providers' products. Becoming ubiquitous like Hoover.

As I understand it all the minnows swallowed up by VM referred to their products as cable TV or cable internet. Hence the chamber lids with CATV on them.

Edited by pluralist (Mon 26-Aug-24 13:58:47)