256 additional C&W LLU exchanges from May 2010 - Part 2

This follows on from part 1. Could someone please tell me how many (if any) exchanges from the list below have been activated so far? My exchange (Inverness Culloden) is scheduled to be activated next month so trying to work out whether I should get excited or not!
Cheers

In reply to a post by Bailey08:

SITE DLE DATE STATUS
SOUTHWATER SDSTHWT Jul-10 GREEN
NORTHWICH MRNOR Jul-10 RED
WORKINGTON LCWOR Jul-10 RED
BROMBOROUGH LVBRO Jul-10 RED
ABERDEEN LOCHNAGAR NSLNG Jul-10 RED
INVERNESS MACDHUI NSIMD Jul-10 RED
NEWCASTLE NENT Jul-10 RED
MIDDLESBROUGH NEMI Jul-10 RED
ALLOA ESALL Jul-10 RED
LOWFELL NELF Jul-10 RED
STOCKTON NES Jul-10 RED
NORTHSHIELDS NENS Jul-10 RED
MILTONKEYNES SMBT Jul-10 GREEN
HAWARDEN WNHAW Jul-10 RED
ELGIN NSELG Jul-10 GREEN
RAYLEIGH EARAY Jul-10 GREEN
KNUTSFORD MRKNU Aug-10 GREEN
COSTESSEY EACOS Aug-10 GREEN
WATHUPONDEARNE SLWTH Aug-10 GREEN
ROCHFORD EAROC Aug-10 GREEN
TRURO WWTRUR Aug-10 GREEN
ABERDEENWEST NSWES Aug-10 GREEN
GREENHITHE LSGRNH Aug-10 GREEN
AYR WSAYR Aug-10 GREEN
PLYMOUTH WWPYTH Aug-10 GREEN
KENDAL LCKEN Aug-10 GREEN
ABERDEENKINCORTH NSKNC Aug-10 GREEN
PENRITH LCPEN Aug-10 GREEN
ANDOVER STANDVR Aug-10 GREEN
ABERDEENBALGOWNIE NSBLG Aug-10 GREEN
DUMFRIES WSDMS Aug-10 GREEN
TEWKESBURY SSTXY Aug-10 GREEN
ABERDEENDYCE NSDYC Aug-10 GREEN
BEACONSFIELD SMBCD Aug-10 GREEN
ABERDEENASHGROVE NSASH Aug-10 GREEN
PETERSFIELD SDPTRSF Aug-10 GREEN
NORTHALLERTON NENA Aug-10 GREEN
LLANELLI SWLJ Aug-10 GREEN
LICHFIELD CMLIC Aug-10 GREEN
RIPLEY EMRPLEY Aug-10 GREEN
MELROSEGATE MYMSG Aug-10 GREEN
GREENOCK WSGRE Aug-10 RED
TRADESTON / SOUTH WSSOU Aug-10 GREEN
IRVINE-BOURTREE WSIRS Aug-10 GREEN
SCIENCEPARK EASCI Aug-10 GREEN
ARDWICK MRARD Aug-10 GREEN
PURFLEET LNPFT Aug-10 GREEN
DIDCOT SMDC Aug-10 GREEN
KIDLINGTON SMKI Aug-10 GREEN
HADLEIGHESSEX EAHAE Aug-10 GREEN
DUDLEYHILL MYDUD Aug-10 GREEN
BENTON NEB Aug-10 GREEN
KNOWLE CMKNO Aug-10 GREEN
IRVINE WSIRV Sep-10 GREEN
DORCHESTER STDORCH Sep-10 GREEN
LINCOLN SLLI Sep-10 RED
NEWARK EMNEWAR Sep-10 GREEN
DRONFIELD SLDF Sep-10 GREEN
KESGRAVE EAKSG Sep-10 GREEN
HARDWICKE SSHWK Sep-10 GREEN
DUNDEESTEEPLE ESMAI Sep-10 GREEN
BIRKENHEAD LVBIR Sep-10 GREEN
REDDITCH WMRJ Sep-10 GREEN
CHURCHLANGLEY EACHU Sep-10 GREEN
THANET NDTHA Sep-10 GREEN
ABERDEENDENBURN NSDEN Sep-10 GREEN
GERRARDSCROSS THGX Sep-10 GREEN
CHESTER/SOUTH WNCSS Sep-10 GREEN
SALISBURY STSALIS Sep-10 GREEN
RIPON MYRPN Sep-10 GREEN
RAMSGATE NDRAM Sep-10 RED
GUISELEY/MENSTON MYGUI Sep-10 GREEN
INVERNESSCULLODEN NSICL Sep-10 GREEN
GARFORTH MYGRF Sep-10 GREEN

I'm on ABERDEENBALGOWNIE NSBLG Aug-10 GREEN and recently asked a C&W reseller about the situation. They said apart from the original announcement from C&W about the extra exchanges being unbundled news had "dried up" and apparently none of the work has actually been done.

SITE		DLE	DATE	STATUS
ABERDEEN	ASHGROVE	NSASH	Aug-10	GREEN
ABERDEEN	BALGOWNIE	NSBLG	Aug-10	GREEN
ABERDEEN	DENBURN	NSDEN	Sep-10	GREEN
ABERDEEN	DYCE	NSDYC	Aug-10	GREEN
ABERDEEN	KINCORTH	NSKNC	Aug-10	GREEN
ABERDEEN	LOCHNAGAR	NSLNG	Jul-10	RED
ABERDEEN	WEST	NSWES	Aug-10	GREEN
ALLOA		ESALL	Jul-10	RED
ANDOVER		STANDVR	Aug-10	GREEN
ARDWICK		MRARD	Aug-10	GREEN
AYR		WSAYR	Aug-10	GREEN
BEACONSFIELD		SMBCD	Aug-10	GREEN
BENTON		NEB	Aug-10	GREEN
BIRKENHEAD		LVBIR	Sep-10	GREEN
BROMBOROUGH		LVBRO	Jul-10	RED
CHESTER	SOUTH	WNCSS	Sep-10	GREEN
CHURCH	LANGLEY	EACHU	Sep-10	GREEN
COSTESSEY		EACOS	Aug-10	GREEN
DIDCOT		SMDC	Aug-10	GREEN
DORCHESTER		STDORCH	Sep-10	GREEN
DRONFIELD		SLDF	Sep-10	GREEN
DUDLEY HILL		MYDUD	Aug-10	GREEN
DUMFRIES		WSDMS	Aug-10	GREEN
DUNDEE	STEEPLE	ESMAI	Sep-10	GREEN
ELGIN		NSELG	Jul-10	GREEN
GARFORTH		MYGRF	Sep-10	GREEN
GERRARDS	CROSS	THGX	Sep-10	GREEN
GREENHITHE		LSGRNH	Aug-10	GREEN
GREENOCK		WSGRE	Aug-10	RED
GUISELEY/MENSTON		MYGUI	Sep-10	GREEN
HADLEIGH	ESSEX	EAHAE	Aug-10	GREEN
HARDWICKE		SSHWK	Sep-10	GREEN
HAWARDEN		WNHAW	Jul-10	RED
INVERNESS	CULLODEN	NSICL	Sep-10	GREEN
INVERNESS	MACDHUI	NSIMD	Jul-10	RED
IRVINE	BOURTREE	WSIRS	Aug-10	GREEN
IRVINE		WSIRV	Sep-10	GREEN
KENDAL		LCKEN	Aug-10	GREEN
KESGRAVE		EAKSG	Sep-10	GREEN
KIDLINGTON		SMKI	Aug-10	GREEN
KNOWLE		CMKNO	Aug-10	GREEN
KNUTSFORD		MRKNU	Aug-10	GREEN
LICHFIELD		CMLIC	Aug-10	GREEN
LINCOLN		SLLI	Sep-10	RED
LLANELLI		SWLJ	Aug-10	GREEN
LOW	FELL	NELF	Jul-10	RED
MELROSE	GATE	MYMSG	Aug-10	GREEN
MIDDLESBROUGH		NEMI	Jul-10	RED
MILTON	KEYNES	SMBT	Jul-10	GREEN
NEWARK		EMNEWAR	Sep-10	GREEN
NEWCASTLE		NENT	Jul-10	RED
NORTH	SHIELDS	NENS	Jul-10	RED
NORTHALLERTON		NENA	Aug-10	GREEN
NORTHWICH		MRNOR	Jul-10	RED
PENRITH		LCPEN	Aug-10	GREEN
PETERSFIELD	SDPTRSF	Aug-10	GREEN	
PLYMOUTH		WWPYTH	Aug-10	GREEN
PURFLEET		LNPFT	Aug-10	GREEN
RAMSGATE		NDRAM	Sep-10	RED
RAYLEIGH		EARAY	Jul-10	GREEN
REDDITCH		WMRJ	Sep-10	GREEN
RIPLEY		EMRPLEY	Aug-10	GREEN
RIPON		MYRPN	Sep-10	GREEN
ROCHFORD		EAROC	Aug-10	GREEN
SALISBURY		STSALIS	Sep-10	GREEN
SCIENCE	PARK	EASCI	Aug-10	GREEN
SOUTHWATER		SDSTHWT	Jul-10	GREEN
STOCKTON		NES	Jul-10	RED
TEWKESBURY		SSTXY	Aug-10	GREEN
THANET		NDTHA	Sep-10	GREEN
TRADESTON	SOUTH	WSSOU	Aug-10	GREEN
TRURO		WWTRUR	Aug-10	GREEN
WATH-UPON-DEARNE		SLWTH	Aug-10	GREEN
WORKINGTON		LCWOR	Jul-10	RED

TBH I think it was rather foolish of James to announce the 256 back in April without knowing any more detailed, accurate and positive information. All there seems to be now is FUD.

Of the original 256, I see that Aberconwy (WNABC) has disappeared off the radar and I've accepted now that it will probably never happen. The options I have at present are TT LLU (no thanks) or BT20CN / ADSL1 for the next few years.

I kinda feel the same way. Im stuck on the Woburn Sands exchange (BT control it not me), and without moving house, LLU/FTTC are the only ways Im likely to see any improvements in line stability/speed increases, and its been very frustrating to see that flagged as a site to go LLU live, only for it then to drop off the map.
It may be a relatively small exchange with only a few thousand users, but there are quite a few local businesses in the area also on the same exchange, so Im sure Im not the only one who'd take up an LLU/more advanced proposal than ADSL1 pretty sharpish.

Unfortunately without more proactive work from contending parties, BT is slow to pick up the slack to prevent us lagging behind the rest of populated europe in this area; and the LLU providers seem to have stagnated a bit now they've hit thier popular exchanges.
Doesn't put much hope out there for providing decent quality, stable multiple meg broadband for the whole country in the near future.

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Aug-10 12:51:08)

I'm gonna go with Xilo and hope this is still on the go - http://community.xilo.net/broadband/848-cpw-opal-bro... . Might have been a trial of some sort but it's better than nothing ie. only TT LLU available on my exchange. Quite happy to wait a while before Xilo offer it to all customers, probably not as long a wait than for C&W.

Next few weeks for a complete roll out.

Matt

So is it likely that the Aug 10 for go green on my exchange (Dumfries) actually happened?

It's a bit frustrating that it is so hard to get proper information, you get your hopes up for upgrades like the 21cn but then it just goes quiet when the go green date is hit.

Mainly because C&W are being very quiet.

Another place to keep your eyes fixed on is.. http://knowledgebase.demon.net/article/llu-adsl2-exp...

Thanks for your help hopefully there will be something coming out soon from C&W then.

In reply to a post by uno:

Next few weeks for a complete roll out.

Matt

Complete rollout of all 256 exchanges?

No, of the ones on the list.

It has already been confirmed by C&W that all 256 will not be unbundled.

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

No, of the ones on the list.

It has already been confirmed by C&W that all 256 will not be unbundled.

Hmmm, would be nice to have a list of the ones that are not going to be done for certain.

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

It has already been confirmed by C&W that all 256 will not be unbundled.

I think you mean "not all 256 will be unbundled". What you said is that none will be.

Edited by RobertoS (Wed 25-Aug-10 22:00:22)

Does anybody know whether Sawston (on the original list of 256, and just outside Cambridge) is going to be enabled?

The only update we have is for the following exchanges (Southwater is now live)

SOUTHWATER SDSTHWT September (ENABLED NOW!)
NORTHWICH MRNOR September
ABERDEENASHGROVE NSASH September
ABERDEENWEST NSWES September
INVERNESS MACDHUI NSIMD September
WORKINGTON LCWOR September
MIDDLESBROUGH NEMI September
KNUTSFORD MRKNU September
HAWARDEN WNHAW September
ELGIN NSELG September
LOWFELL NELF September
ANDOVER STANDVR September
BROMBOROUGH LVBRO September
ARDWICK MRARD September
SCIENCEPARK EASCI September
AYR WSAYR September
DUMFRIES WSDMS September
ABERDEENKINCORTH NSKNC September
PENRITH LCPEN September
ABERDEENDENBURN NSDEN September
BIRKENHEAD LVBIR October
GUISELEY/MENSTON MYGUI October
MILTONKEYNES SMBT October
PETERSFIELD SDPTRSF October
SALISBURY STSALIS October
STOCKTON NES October
TEWKESBURY SSTXY October
RIPON MYRPN October
DORCHESTER STDORCH October
GERRARDSCROSS THGX October
GREENOCK WSGRE October
ABERDEENDYCE NSDYC October
NEWCASTLE NENT October
ALLOA ESALL October
PURFLEET LNPFT October
IRVINE-BOURTREE WSIRS October
IRVINE WSIRV October
ALMONDSBURY SSALM October
KESGRAVE EAKSG October
BRISTOL WEST SSWES October
TRADESTON / SOUTH WSSOU October
NORTHSHIELDS NENS November
LLANELLI SWLJ November
BENTON NEB November
REDDITCH WMRJ November
STRATTON ST.MARGARET SSSSM November
ROCHFORD EAROC November
WATHUPONDEARNE SLWTH November
GARFORTH MYGRF November
NORTHALLERTON NENA November
AYLESFORD NDAYL December
RAMSGATE NDRAM January
BUXTON MRBUX January
PETERLEE NEPTE January

Unbelieveable that it's now dragging out to January.

My exchange has completly dissapeared from the list despite having an AUG 10 date before

I imagine it will take them another 12 months to get round to mine!

If you are lucky.

My exchange has completly dissapeared from the list despite having an AUG 10 date before

Same here. My exchange Inverness Culloden (NSICL) was scheduled to be activated on 10th Sept now it's completely disappeared! Oh well guess it's time to sign up to talktalk LLU and if/when C&W ever come to my exchange then I'll consider signing up with them ( that is assuming talktalk turn out to be pants)

I think I will be doing the same just need to find out 100% if C&W have pulled out of upgrading my exchange ABERDEENBALGOWNIE NSBLG Aug-10 GREEN.
Anyone on here know for sure ?

Is the xilo opal llu package availible to non xilo customers yet ?

Yes, just drop us an email to sales[at]uno.net.uk and we'll advise you how to get signed up.

Matt

Thanks will do.

I have just looked down the update sheet. It is still on the list but now has no date beside it.

Thanks doesnt look good then

Can you check if Warrington Westwood (LVWTW) has been discounted completely now or just hasnt got a date yet?

It's small, and I'm not expecting anything but IPStream for years, but I would jump over immediately to whoever provides LLU first!

I am afraid it's not showing on my list anywhere.

Not a suprise Stupid small exchange.

In reply to a post by fig:

Not a suprise Stupid small exchange.

You think thats bad, my exchange has over 7k lines from it and its still only on IP Stream - seems smaller exchanges are being given priority!

Edited by deleted (Thu 09-Sep-10 16:50:25)

Just signed up should be with you end of the month

Same here, not even any LLU in the county.. and again we have lost all of the 21cn rfs dates. Maybe its time OFCOM made BTW reflect the second class service on these exchanges with second class pricing, cos it seems that no one is interested in bringing us into the 21st century! Funny how the RFS dates have suddenly been withdrawn since the FTTC roll-out started - am I alone in smelling a rat here?

Any news on oswestry exchange sky has just installed llu here now. anyway matt of piggy backing there stuff so i can get faster bb even though i shouldnt complain about 5 meg just being greedy lol

Nope

TT/CPW are showing minimal port capacity on their LLU though.

Matt

ahwell worth a shot lol like i said cant complain at 5 meg

I'm not that far from you, connected to Rhos-on-Sea.

I don't think Aberconwy will get C&W LLU, but at least you have a decent alternative in the form of Sky Unlimited LLU. They finished installing their kit a few weeks back.

That's my biggest gripe with BT.

I get that they're a private company with shareholders to answer to, I get that they are profit driven, what I don't get is why I pay the same line rental charges as Joe Soap in London with an FTTC cab sitting outside his front door and a 40Mb connection.

If they can't offer me the same product choices, why do I have to pay them the same money?

Maybe if the regulator stuck it to them and ordered them to scale charges proportionate to the services being offered, there might not be so many not-spots and exchanges stuck using antiquated vanilla ADSL technology.

As a consumer I'm not interested in hearing their viability excuses. BT made £1 billion profit this year, that's not a small amount of money. I'm tired of subsidising their aggressive attempts to grab market share from LLU operators and Virgin Cable, while I make do with a tin can and string connection.

Refreshing to hear someone share this opinion.. often when raising this point you meet with "tough - move" many people cant just "move", and someone has to be here to keep the lights on and the computers humming....

I have often been treated to the tired argument about being so far out - viability etc. This area contributes plenty to the rest of the UK apart from some agriculture (not as much as 30 years ago tho) , 2 oil refineries, 2 LPG terminals providing a huge amount of the gas burned in the UK.... and soon a Power Station, and with all that is a lot of heavy "support industry", 2 ferry terminals 2 military bases and a thriving tourist industry.

Its not all hayseeds and moonshine, we have a 500 seat call centre, which when occupied by ITV Digital was employing 1200 people, so right now its running under capacity but still we are stuck with 20cn tech while many 21cn areas are now being treated to FTTC in a vain attempt to compete with LLU and cable. We have high speed links here, "Updata" serve the local authority, and the Local college (and schools?) are on the high speed JANET link, but while we local tax payers and local businesses fork out for all this we are stuck with an over priced under-performing network and are expected to feel grateful for helping to bankroll improvement after improvement elsewhere while seeing ZERO real investment to bring our local networks up to anywhere near the same standard expected by those (who often pay less) elsewhere.

I wonder how far down the road our THIRD 21cn RFS dates will be?... or will they now give up kidding us that they are ever going to stop ripping us off "because they can"? They don't understand the fact that we have waited.. and paid through the nose for the over priced BTw services - its time we saw some payback, instead we are being reamed again while NO investment is taking place for us.

Indeed, the townies are quick to espouse the alleged benefits of living in the proverbial sticks, while the reverse logic seems to escape them. Don't like the hustle & bustle of city life? Smoggy air and a mugger in every underpass? Ok, move then. Works both ways dunnit?

I'm not exactly in blair witch country. We have 3 exchanges serving some 20,000 residential and 2,000 business lines, exchanges I had to work my stones off to get enabled ahead of time in 2002/2003. We have no hope of 21cn anytime soon and only one exchange has a single LLU operator in it (TalkTalk).

Our money bankrolls BT's attempts to steal business from their competitors in the cities, while some BT PR monkey tells us we should count ourselves lucky to be able get broadband at all, like they're some loving benefactor doing charity work in their spare time. Gee, thanks.

I for one don't want to hear it. I pay the same money every quarter, I want the same services, or I want a discount. I don't care who pays for it (hello £1billion pounds profit).

Look at BT's 21cn rollout and look at how many of those exchanges were Market 3 already, or had Cable. Not one exchange that I know of didn't have an alternative provider already there that BT could tout business away from. Viability my backside, profits first and sod the customers elsewhere.

Thanks, and PM reply sent.

I lost interest and hope in Aberconwy, so Sky slipped under my radar. Yes I agree that C&W LLU at Aberconwy is not going to happen any time soon, if ever.

Going to take a look at Sky this afternoon.

What annoys me is Norfolk County Council has come up with the idea of putting wi-fi on school buildings to give anyone within range FREE internet access to try to help areas with no or very slow broadband and what happens the same morons get their pitchforks and torches out and start ranting about how it's not safe for the children etc.

If I were NCC i'd say ok well stuff you all then

£1b profit, but what was the turnover?

This has gone very quiet - a few of these exchanges should be live by now?

SCIENCE PARK (EASCI) should've gone live in September, yet I've seen nothing.

soo its been a while since last post anybodys exchanges gone live or any other updates

They are lied ! It not true that C&W are upgrades all these exchanges. They lied to you all. Waste of time.

They've not lied. Some exchanges are live already. They rely on BT and there are factors that may delay things like construction/way-leave etc.

C&W actually have some maintenance planned for 1st December in the Manchester/Lancashire/Cumbria areas to support the addition of some more exchanges which is a further sign that progress is being made.

Matt

Edited by uno (Sat 27-Nov-10 16:42:31)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

They are lied ! It not true that C&W are upgrades all these exchanges. They lied to you all. Waste of time.

LOL, don't you ever think before you type?

Further to this...

The following are due live very very soon and final prep work is complete.
(no fancy table, sorry).

SOUTHWATER
SDSTHWT
 
NORTHWICH
MRNOR
 
ABERDEEN WEST
NSWES
 
BROMBOROUGH
LVBRO
 
WORKINGTON
LCWOR
 
KNUTSFORD
MRKNU
 
ANDOVER
STANDVR
 
DUMFRIES
WSDMS
 
SCIENCE PARK
EASCI
 
ARDWICK
MRARD
 
AYR
WSAYR
 
ABERDEEN KINCORTH
NSKNC
 
INVERNESS MACDHUI
NSIMD
 
ABERDEEN ASHGROVE
NSASH
 
ABERDEENDYCE
NSDYC
 
IRVINE 
WSIRV
 
IRVINE-BOURTREE
WSIRS

Do you have an updates for the other exchanges?

Hi,

I have been having some to and fro with Demon after some cap emails. They have just called to say my exchange will be upgraded to ADSL2+ within days. This is good, news. Well I hope it is. Now Cable and Wireless have upgraded our exchange is this likely to mean others with follow in my area. I checked Sam Knows and it doesn't show any information regarding this upgrade. Is their a place to find out other plans for our exchange?

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EABTF


Best wishes

Michael

Not sure "within days" is correct as EABTF does not appear on any of the "happening soon" exchanges as above but its possible that it has been added but we've not been told.

Matt

Hi Matt,

The lady on the phone was adamant and said it would be before Christmas. I will report back here if I get an email saying it has been upgraded and it actually works

Best wishes

Michael

In reply to a post by bazcurtis:

Hi Matt,

The lady on the phone was adamant and said it would be before Christmas. I will report back here if I get an email saying it has been upgraded and it actually works

Best wishes

Michael

Demon seem willing to spin any yarn to keep customers from taking their Migration code and moving off.... I have been in dispute with Demon now since August about poor IPStream performance and after much debate agreed to migrate to their Business IPStream Premium (ADSL Max) package - just as bad as before.

So, I get told my exchange (SSWSM) is due for C&W LLU "in the very near future", but they wouldn't say exactly when. I have an email to say Feb 2011 now (IIRC it was supposed to be September 2010) but I don't believe them.

So, if anyone is in the know, can you check if there is a date for SSWSM (Weston-super-Mare)... TIA.

Science Park (EASCI) is finally showing up on SamKnows with an enabled on C&W, but none of the resellers I've looked at show that I can have an LLU package. Does it take time for them to update?

Blimey my exchange has an RFS date.
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/NSBLG

In reply to a post by phyre12:

Science Park (EASCI) is finally showing up on SamKnows with an enabled on C&W, but none of the resellers I've looked at show that I can have an LLU package. Does it take time for them to update?

Ring xilo and vivaciti.

STDorch(Dorchester) is now showing live for C&W.

So...what does this mean? Who resell C&W?

In reply to a post by white43:

Who resell C&W?

The person/company you replied to (are asking) does.

Still no RFS for my exchange.

The last list of delivered exchnages I had was... (back in Nov).

SOUTHWATER
SDSTHWT
Delivered

NORTHWICH
MRNOR
Delivered

ABERDEEN WEST
NSWES
Delivered

BROMBOROUGH
LVBRO
Delivered

WORKINGTON
LCWOR
Delivered

KNUTSFORD
MRKNU
Delivered

ANDOVER
STANDVR
Delivered

DUMFRIES
WSDMS
Delivered

SCIENCE PARK
EASCI
Delivered

ARDWICK
MRARD
Delivered

AYR
WSAYR
Delivered

ABERDEEN KINCORTH
NSKNC
Delivered

INVERNESS MACDHUI
NSIMD
Delivered

ABERDEEN ASHGROVE
NSASH
Delivered

ABERDEENDYCE
NSDYC
Delivered

IRVINE
WSIRV
Delivered

IRVINE-BOURTREE
WSIRS
Delivered

Never did get clarification of "delivered"

Matt

We've asked for the latest list and will update our checker once we have it.

Matt

My exchange WNAE wasn't on any of the list to be done soon so who knows how long it will take.

If possible, could you post the full list. I'm hoping against hope that my exchange is still on the list somewhere but I believe that the 256 has been chopped somewhat (just going off other posts).

First sniff of LLU being available and I'm away to the first ISP that has can get me migrated

I think that too. Boston was due for enablement, but lists what have been issued since are much more slimline. Shame really. CW are a good ISP

I wouldnt give up hope as my exchange was on the original list and then it dissappeared but low and behold after checking samknows it now has this RFS date.

so the question is, where has samknows got their information from? I haven't seen anything about CW floating around.

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

so the question is, where has samknows got their information from? I haven't seen anything about CW floating around.

Maybe this?

Good news, my exchange also has a RFS date now! RFS date set : 31/01/2011

my exchange oswestry has rfs of 31.1.11 so hopefully it will get done and mean hello xilo pro

Heres the response I got from ADSL24 about the C&W date:

"I have checked our C&W list and your exchange: Toll Bar ...does not seems to be on our list we received from our suppliers ...so i cannot confirm as to whether Sam Knows is right or incorrect."

Looks like will just have to wait and see!

If you are looking at something LLU then our new service can be served from your exchange.

Edited by vivaciti (Thu 27-Jan-11 15:02:31)

In reply to a post by vivaciti:

If you are looking at something LLU then our new service can be severed from you your exchange.

A few typos there perhaps?

lol looks like he was too eager to inform me of their LLU service at my exchange.

Been a long day and trying to do too much at once without check stuff.
Corrected now.

Uh uh . I did say a few, though maybe only two, one of which you have fixed. See "you your".

Any danger of a more up to date list surfacing at some point? Be nice to know if mine is still there somewhere (LVWTW)

rasied a ticket with xilo last nite seing if they had any info but they do not. just checked samknows again and is still saying the same date so think will find out monday. but its got to be to good to be true

looks like demon's kb entry has been updated with dates etc, http://knowledgebase.demon.net/article/llu-adsl2-exp...

missing a fair few exchanges from the original entry, including mine

Thanks for the link, they list 140

Maybe someone should tell them that red may not be the best colour to inform that the service is delivered though

Looks like my exchange has been dropped off the list then!

Mine is on the list, dates: jan-mar, abit vague Hopefully, Jan it will be, haha. I can see some exchanges with a range of months like mine, but some with just January, February. I hope that doesn't mean they expect delays at mine

WOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO Inverness Culloden will (finally) be activated sometime Jan-March. However i'm very happy with Talktalk LLU speeds and there's no way i want to leave Talktalk.......but it's nice to know that i will have C&W LLU in my exchange if i have a lovers tiff with Talktalk LOL

Edited by deleted (Fri 28-Jan-11 13:38:04)

Missing mine too EMBOSTO

i cant get link to work can anyone tell me if oswestry is on there if so whats the date thanks

Looks like the page has disapeared

Actually looks like the whole demon website is down!

Edited by deleted (Sat 29-Jan-11 10:27:50)

Saved a copy

OSWESTRY WNOSW January

In reply to a post by boysteve:

Saved a copy

OSWESTRY WNOSW January

cheers mate so looks like its going to happen on monday. will let you know if it does

Is it just me, but everytime I look at the list, I keep seeing more DELIVERED! Hoping this is the case and not my imagination!

Same here.

I'd love to know why nobody will touch our exchange. It must be due to a lack of space.

anyway to check to see if excange has gone live tried samknows and still says the same and tried xilo but still sayi9n can only get packages im on

I really don't know, I contacted ADSL24 today and they said to try to sign up tomorrow using their website. And if it's unavailable then I should contact them and they would try to put a manual order through to C&W. I wouldn't expect Sam Knows to update as soon as each exchange is delivered. I doubt it will be updated until either they get another list from C&W or someone contacts them to say which exchanges are live.

If the Demon list is updated regularly I would think that is the best place to try.

Fingers Crossed!

hmm will drop matt an email

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

Same here.

I'd love to know why nobody will touch our exchange. It must be due to a lack of space.

I'd also like to know if my exchange has been dropped and if so - why? Other smaller exchanges are being done!

Contacted ADSL24 again today, this is their reply:


I have raised an enquiry with our suppliers provisioning team who will check directly with C&W to advise us as to whether or not your exchange is C&W LLU ready ....if not ...as to when it will be.
once i get the response ...i shall let you know.

Hopefully will get some definate information and dates!

Looks like the list at demon is getting updated. The formatting has changed, more put as delivered. And now my exchange (toll bar) says January instead of jan-mar. Yay! I'm hoping it will be delivered in the next few days!

Another quick update from ADSL24:


there's a slight delay ...we should be able to sign you up after up to 2 weeks.
we have to allow C&W to allow us to place orders for that service on your exchange.

Just to let you know, C&W have updated their back end checker and newly live exchanges should start showing very soon, if not already.

Matt

oswestry has been moved back to feb just got comfirmend by xilo. gutting

Ok, thanks for the update. How often will they update their checker?

Any hope for those exchanges that arent on the list?

For those who are still watching, theres been another big update on the Demon KB list.

Lots more shown as delivered. Unfortunately mine is still undelivered. It's the only exchange on the list with a January date still. Hopefully that means it should be done imminently

I'd like to know what their problem is with Shropshire in general.

Two town exchanges, Cuckoo Oak and Hollinswood have been dropped but they've kept Bridgnorth?

Absolute joke.

I'd like to know what their problem is with Shropshire in general.

Two town exchanges, Cuckoo Oak and Hollinswood have been dropped but they've kept Bridgnorth?

Absolute joke.

Adslmax?

Edited by Finguz (Fri 04-Feb-11 13:26:21)

What?

You said

I'd like to know what their problem is with Shropshire in general.

Two town exchanges, Cuckoo Oak and Hollinswood have been dropped but they've kept Bridgnorth?

Absolute joke.

I remembered that adslmax lived near the cuckoo oak exchange....

But never mind

He's on cable now I believe - like the majority of people in this town unfortunately.

He might return if things go *Downhills*, Max is quite adept at moving ISP, a coupel of years ago it became quite difficult to keep up with his migrations

Hey Matt, any news about CMTOL?

I understand it's delayed, but It's the only exchange left on the Demon list with a January RFS date.Just wondering if they are still going ahead with the installation, and if it will availible at the end of Feb (like the other exchanges listed as Feb, or sooner)

If your desperate to get onto LLU ADS2+ you can always migrate onto our LLU service on your exchange, monthly contract and free migration onto the product, then when CW do complete the unbundling of the exchange you can hop onto the CW service with Xilo.

I am desperate, but don't really want to move from ADSL24
No need to move, and the hassle isn't worth it for my lack of patience!

anyone had any news on what exchanges have gone live etc

Not me, I've still got January date everywhere, lol but still not live.

I think delays are due to BT currently installing BT 21CN at the same time, so the LLU work is being pushed back.

ADSL24 said to me there were being cuts to the openreach workers etc, so probably could be more delays!

So much for superfast broadband by 2015!!! HAHAHA this country is a joke, no wonder we didnt get the FiFa worldcup!

Mine is RFS Jan on samknows,Feb on demons site naff all happening in March

It seems all or most of exchanges which were due to be done in February have now been enabled
http://knowledgebase.demon.net/article/llu-adsl2-exp...

However SamKnows hasn't been updated yet, my exchange (Inverness Culloden) according to Demon is C&W LLU enabled. Now i can sleep a lot easier at night knowing that if talktalk (LLU) start messing me around, i 'll be off to C&W LLU in a flash...and i will happily pay the remainder of my 18 month contract. I'm a happy bunny with talktalk though

And now we have the issue that C&W have enabled exchanges on their checker feed that are not actually ready.

Clever them!!

Matt

In reply to a post by uno:

And now we have the issue that C&W have enabled exchanges on their checker feed that are not actually ready.

Clever them!!

Matt

Are you saying that C&W have given incorrect exchange status to Demon? Why on earth would they do this?

The RFS list is correct.. but the data they are supplying on their "live" checker feed is showing some exchanges are ready now, before they have actually been installed.

Outside LLU and Off-net Footprint: No LLU presence in exchange XXXXX

Matt

Oh, mines gone back again. 3rd time is been delayed....

I've been having checkers tell me that I can get BT ADSL2+ but apparently its not enabled yet.

In reply to a post by uno:

The RFS list is correct.. but the data they are supplying on their "live" checker feed is showing some exchanges are ready now, before they have actually been installed.

Outside LLU and Off-net Footprint: No LLU presence in exchange XXXXX

Matt

Thanks. So is my exchange Inverness Culloden (NSICL) live or not?

Can't really tell us the live checker data may be wrong itself.

Most orders go through, one or two have failed due to that error. If our checker reports Pro 16, there is a 98% change of it being ready.

Matt

Any news on exchanges that were in the initial list but have gone missing?

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

He's on cable now I believe - like the majority of people in this town unfortunately.

Yes I am on cable (happy with it)

Had enough with BT as they never bring C&W LLU, ADSL2+ and FTTC to your exchange and my exchange in Telford.

The winner of exchanges for FTTC in Telford are Donnington, Dawley and Stirchley.

Really disgusting by BT, but I don't care as I do have 30 Meg with cable in my property.

Edited by adslmax (Sat 09-Apr-11 02:23:34)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Had enough with BT as they never bring C&W LLU...
Really disgusting by BT...

Eh? It is not BT's decision whether or not bring another companies LLU to your exchange. It is up to C&W to do that, or the respective LLU network.

Matt

In reply to a post by uno:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Had enough with BT as they never bring C&W LLU...
Really disgusting by BT...

Eh? It is not BT's decision whether or not bring another companies LLU to your exchange. It is up to C&W to do that, or the respective LLU network.

Matt

I don't mean the C&W LLU. I mean the FTTC was named three exchanges in Telford as they should be named Holliswood and Cuckoo Oak as well because why is Donnington, Dawley and Stirchley is named ? Really disgusting by BT decision. I remember The Race To Infinity that Cuckoo Oak had more votes than Stirchley. It so wrong.

Cuckoo Oak: http://racetoinfinityandbeyond.veadas.net/exchange/e...
Stirchley: http://racetoinfinityandbeyond.veadas.net/exchange/e...

Edited by adslmax (Sat 09-Apr-11 12:26:55)

Speaking of, any updated lists and info on the exchanges that dropped off the original list?

I'm hoping against hope that my exchange will get LLU and I can jump on board, but I seriously doubt it

No good being relatively close to an exchange if you are stuck in a house where they can't be bothered to put cable in and nobody wants to invest in LLU and have to rely on the BT network, wo is me....

Ah but it was about the PERCENTAGE of users on each exchange... so it may be other exchanges won with a lower number of votes, but that may have equated to a higher percentage of customers on those other exchanges.

Maybe someone could point C&W at some of the many many market 1 exchanges in Wales.

LLU would be nice, but with the rubbish line I get from BT it wouldn't make much difference anyway.

I live in a large town, not a rural backwater and it is a joke that apart from Virgin and the odd Sky exchange, nothing else is available.

I'm pretty sure the physical size of our exchange is the problem as it is tiny. I do know a large % of the resedential lines are long and this can also put off potential unbundlers.

C&W pulled the plug on the order for our exchanges for a reason. Would be great to know why.

A lot of people who can get cable around here do have it because the BT lines are shocking and Virgin are a lot cheaper.

Too have no TalkTalk can only point to a lack of physical space. All the other exchanges got unbundled, even Broseley!

It partly to blame down on Telford & Wrekin Council for not even bother to get fibre in the town of Telford and never will do.

Very poor indeed in Telford but I ain't complaint as long I got healthy speed from virgin media in my property as I am guess I was lucky one.

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

He's on cable now I believe - like the majority of people in this town unfortunately.

Why is that unfortunate? if we had cable here I would think about going to it, get rid of these BT cables.

They don't need too though.

Telewest spent a fortune getting a large cable footprint in the town. I would say a high % of the town is covered by Virgin who are now providing 100Mb speeds.

Unfortunately if your house was built after 1998, you are stuck as Telewest pulled the plug on new builds like mine.

Because a) people may actually want Sky or Be as it is cheaper and uncapped b) any house built after 1998 will not be a cabled street so we have no choice.

More people on Virgin, the less demand for LLU services so we are stuck paying a premium to use the BT network.

Move to nearby cable area then wolvesmad, I live nearby madeley and very closer to exchange!

I live in a cable area. The houses all around me have cable just our street is not cabled.

My internet is 4 x's faster than most of my neighbours so it's not so bad that I would move to consider moving house.

I was not surprise as samknows had updated my exchange Cuckoo Oak as a new Orange LLU along with TalkTalk LLU

Both are the worse providers ever!

Edited by adslmax (Fri 15-Apr-11 18:31:07)

CPW LLU is fine when using a reseller like Xilo.

Xilo is not available on my local exchange using CPW LLU. That's pretty strange one! It say no CPW LLU on the Xilo broadband checker!

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Xilo is not available on my local exchange using CPW LLU. That's pretty strange one! It say no CPW LLU on the Xilo broadband checker!

It makes perfect sense to me, they clearly value their sanity!

Amazingly in the last month C&W,O2 and Sky have all been enabled on our exchange.i went with Sky already have sky hd and with line rental get it all a bit cheaper.

If your Virgin connection is running flat out at 30Mb then stick with them.

Vivaciti do an SMPF CPW LLU service, which means you can keep BT on the voice line. Makes it a lot easier to migrate in the future.

Even if you live next door to the exchange, you will be still 6mb down on what you're getting on cable, for the same price.

I'd wait for Sky, they'll probably unbundle Cuckoo Oak eventually.

Not a chance wolvesmad, I don't think Sky won't be bothered to do any more LLU unbundle in Telford area. I hate Sky too cos they are very expensive in TV packages, of skyworld cost £52 a month!

I stick to my freedom humax freesat with free of charge recording, playback, live pause but sky+ feature cost £10 extra a month if you want recording, playback and live pause, so I stick my two fingers up on Robert Murdoch!

Edited by adslmax (Sat 23-Apr-11 17:48:57)

Since Sky/TT and BT are going to be LLU more exchanges is there any news from C&W doing more exchanges as well?

It about time! BT had now enabled ADSL2+ LIVE as today for Cuckoo Oak exchange. I can see my broadband router status go up from 8128K to 18176K and ip profile rate of 16000K from bt speed tester!

a big thumb up BT! next target is bring FTTC to Cuckoo Oak next!

Edited by adslmax (Thu 04-Aug-11 01:38:04)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

It about time! BT had now enabled ADSL2+ LIVE as today for Cuckoo Oak exchange. I can see my broadband router status go up from 8128K to 18176K and ip profile rate of 16000K from bt speed tester!

a big thumb up BT! next target is bring FTTC to Cuckoo Oak next!

I'm pleased for you DJ, lets hope it's the end of your whinning

Although nothing to do with C&W and thought you were on Virgin?

Matt

Cuckoo Oak - 21CN WBC status: RFS date set : 30/09/2011

I'm confused now.

In reply to a post by uno:

Although nothing to do with C&W and thought you were on Virgin?

Matt

No, I left virgin media as it far too pricey now!

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

Cuckoo Oak - 21CN WBC status: RFS date set : 30/09/2011

I'm confused now.

I had informed samknows as they not updated it yet but all area from cuckoo oak is now completed.

Copy and paste here from bt wholesale adsl checker:

BT Wholesale
THE BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER

For Telephone Number *********** on Exchange CUCKOO OAK

Your exchange is ADSL enabled, and our initial test on your line indicates that your line should be able to have an ADSL broadband service that provides a fixed line speed up to 2Mbps.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL Max broadband line speed of 8Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 7Mbps and 8Mbps.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL2+ broadband line speed of 8Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 8Mbps and 16Mbps. Our test also indicates that your line could support an estimated ADSL 2+ Annex-M broadband upstream line speed of 1Mbps and downstream line speed of 8Mbps; typically the downstream speed would range between 8Mbps and 16Mbps.

The actual stable line speed supportable will be determined during the first 10 days of use. This speed may change over time, to ensure line stability is maintained.

Thank you for your interest.


and check from adsl24 site too: http://adsl24.co.uk/availability/checker/

Availability Checker

Results for telephone number ***********

Line status
Your line is connected to the CUCKOO OAK exchange.
Your line currently has an open ADSL order in progress. You will need to wait for this to complete or have your current ISP cancel this before placing an order with us.

Fibre
Not Available
20CN ADSL
Available
7.0 - 8.0 Mb downstream (BT estimate: 8.0 Mb)
21CN ADSL2+
Available
8.0 - 16.0 Mb downstream (BT estimate: 8.0 Mb)
C&W LLU ADSL2+
Not Available
Premium LLU ADSL2+
Not Available

Edited by adslmax (Thu 04-Aug-11 11:21:35)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by uno:

Although nothing to do with C&W and thought you were on Virgin?

Matt

No, I left virgin media as it far too pricey now!

05/07/11
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/otherisp/t/4018049-...

I left plusnet because my bt line contract is finished as I had cease ADSL and BT line at the same time last week.

So, just virgin media 100 meg standalone is more than enough!

Yeah my bt line had been reconnected and went back with plusnet with 4 months free broadband with plusnet phone line.

How much do you pay in connection and termination fees? Surely over the course of a year, this would cost far more than staying with a provider that charges you a little bit more?

Matt

It free of charge with plusnet but BT doesn't charge me for reconnection back.But virgin media charged me £75 for penalty leave early. I left virgin media because 100 meg had been downtime 11th times in a month, just had enough and also well overpriced 100 meg at £45 a month but they can downgrade me to 10 Meg at £28 a month because I will lose loyalty discount, virgin is a scam! I told them to forget it, they charged me £75 plus £45 for penalty leave as I broke their 12 months contract!

Edited by adslmax (Thu 04-Aug-11 12:57:35)

Not really a scam though. That is the price they charge, simply because you're not happy to pay that does not mean they're scamming you.

I was thinking more about all the times you've switched between providers left, right and center and then back to virgin, away from virgin. This must be a fair amount of money.

Should we expect you going back to Virgin within the year? I'll wage a bet on that

Matt

In reply to a post by uno:

Not really a scam though. That is the price they charge, simply because you're not happy to pay that does not mean they're scamming you.

I was thinking more about all the times you've switched between providers left, right and center and then back to virgin, away from virgin. This must be a fair amount of money.

Should we expect you going back to Virgin within the year week? I'll wage a bet on that

Matt

Allow me to correct that

Too be honest Matt, Virgin in this town (I live in the same Town as Adslmax) is very hit and miss.

Due to long BT lines some areas are very low on capacity on Virgin. My mate who has Virgin 10mb gets 2-3Mb after 5pm.

All Virgin do is credit his account when he complains.

If I had a line as short as Adslmax's though, i'd stick with ADSL, with Xilo of course

My Virgin Media 100 Meg had been dropped to 42 Meg on superhub and the superhub sometimes disconnection for no reason, Poor superhub with poor wireless all over the place. I had phoned and complaint of speed dropped to 42 Meg (almost 50% loss of speed) in evening and weekend and they won't refunded me, Glad I left rubbish Virgin Media and that 100 Meg is a not true 100 Meg because of burst speed show 97 Meg on website but only get 4Mb/s on download transfer rate. Also on youtubes, apple movies trialer and bbci player all constantly buffering!

Edited by adslmax (Fri 05-Aug-11 10:34:45)