Router stats - where are they?

I recently changed over to Plusnet Fibre..can anyone tell me where i can find my sync speed on the router page?

I've accessed the page 192.168.1.254 entered the username and password but i can't find where my syncing details are?

Edited by deleted (Thu 09-Aug-12 16:30:18)

You can't! They are in the modem for which there is no interface to get them in the standard Openreach VADSL modem.

Is there anyway to check i'm syncing at what Plusnet said i should be syncing at?

You could always do a BT speedtest and add 11.8% to the resultant line profile.

Fallacious arithmetic!

You are basing that on IPP = 88.2% x Sync.

But you don't do inverse by adding 100% - 88.2% to IPP. You need to divide IPP by 88.2%.

Therefore you need to add 13.4% to IPP.

However, while this is true for WBC, is this also true for FTTC?

I think on fibre you add about 3% to get the sync speed

I've no personal experience of Fibre but I observe those on 40 Meg FTTC get IPPs between 37 - 38 Meg.

So it would seem you need to add between 5 - 8 % to IPP.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Fallacious arithmetic!

You are basing that on IPP = 88.2% x Sync.

But you don't do inverse by adding 100% - 88.2% to IPP. You need to divide IPP by 88.2%.

Therefore you need to add 13.4% to IPP.

However, while this is true for WBC, is this also true for FTTC?

At least my attempt was as good as a 100% "You can't!" In the case of my 14.5Mb line profile, it is the difference between showing a sync of 16.2 and 16.4, which I would think would be a small enough margin to satisfy the OP that he was getting near enough his quoted speed. Though I realise that like all posts, there is always someone that knows better.

This is where I got it from http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/sky-broadband-fibre-h...

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

I've no personal experience of Fibre but I observe those on 40 Meg FTTC get IPPs between 37 - 38 Meg.

So it would seem you need to add between 5 - 8 % to IPP.

Seems like an assumption/guess to me, which is worse than "Fallacious arithmetic!"

Yes, 1.0332 works for me.

If it's a tg582n, goto Broadband connection, DSL Connection, then click 'details' on the right. The sync is:

Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1.203 / 15.621

(that's my one)

I suppose it's not a 582n, but the info might apply to other routers.

Edited by camieabz (Thu 09-Aug-12 17:54:25)

You may observe that it is an empirical observation, as I claimed originally.

Time you ditched your nick. You are Professor of nothing but Agitation.

Wake up at the back . Fibre .

VADSL pfft

In reply to a post by professor973:

At least my attempt was as good as a 100% "You can't!" In the case of my 14.5Mb line profile, it is the difference between showing a sync of 16.2 and 16.4,

So much help from your inaccurate approx. as it is not even applicable to Fibre, for which the OP was asking how to get the stats out of the router.

"generic"

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

In reply to a post by professor973:

At least my attempt was as good as a 100% "You can't!" In the case of my 14.5Mb line profile, it is the difference between showing a sync of 16.2 and 16.4,

So much help from your inaccurate approx. as it is not even applicable to Fibre, for which the OP was asking how to get the stats out of the router.

At least I tried to help the OP without ridiculing someone else as most of you forum oiks seem compelled to do. You were too busy finding fault with me to be of help to the OP, then went on to admit you knew next to nothing about fibre (which brings you down to my level of stupidity). But you didn't let that stop you from taking yet another member to task over percentages. If you check, you will see the OP asked if there was ANY way to get the sync, not just via router interrogation. Priceless entertainment!

Edited by professor973 (Thu 09-Aug-12 19:51:14)

"geriatric"

Pure paranoia!

XRaySpeX is correct - you can't get them from the normal router. Only from the modem itself or VDSL2 routers, which come a bit pricey and all seem to have some drawback or other.

If the Openreach modem is an HG612, (look underneath), then you can easily unlock it. See the Instructions and Unlocked images on this page.

Bald_Eagle1 on these forums also occasionally updates the graphing scripts for Windows, which access an unlocked HG612 and produce rather good graphs - plus an extremely useful on-going log of the stats.

09/08/2012 20:34 56045 13850 6 6.1 13.2 6.7 56208 13872 G.992.3_Annex_K_PTM) 0 0 359875 1427 124803 0 1060503 0 0 4 0 294.584 0 40698 0 484441481 432247 27409 359875 1427 4 0 4079399 0 0 0 0 1 1 12755 1180 863 0 1 0 0 437690 7298 0 5.4 30.2 45.5 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0 8.6 29.1 44.6 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0 
09/08/2012 20:35 56045 13850 6.1 6.2 13.1 6.8 56372 13891 G.992.3_Annex_K_PTM) 0 0 359890 1427 124803 0 1060563 0 0 15 0 294.601 0 40698 0 484473914 441076 32433 359904 1427 29 0 313925 0 0 0 0 1 1 12760 1180 863 0 5 0 0 313925 8829 0 5.4 30.2 45.5 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0 8.6 29.3 44.6 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0 
09/08/2012 20:36 56045 13850 6 6.2 13.2 6.7 56208 13879 G.992.3_Annex_K_PTM) 0 0 359972 1427 124807 0 1060623 0 0 82 4 294.618 0 40698 0 484496298 446900 22384 359972 1427 68 0 663213 0 0 0 0 1 1 12762 1180 863 0 2 0 0 349288 5824 0 5.4 30.2 45.5 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0 8.5 29.2 44.6 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0 
09/08/2012 20:37 56045 13850 6 6.2 13.2 6.8 56208 13879 G.992.3_Annex_K_PTM) 0 0 360078 1427 124815 0 1060683 0 0 106 8 294.634 0 40698 0 484523706 454239 27408 360079 1427 107 0 1103318 0 0 0 0 1 1 12768 1180 863 0 6 0 0 440105 7339 0 5.4 30.2 45.5 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0 8.6 29.3 44.6 N/A 14.6 37.4 58.0

BusyBox v1.9.1 (2010-10-15 17:59:06 CST) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

# xdslcmd info --show
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Max:    Upstream rate = 13816 Kbps, Downstream rate = 56208 Kbps
Path:   0, Upstream rate = 13850 Kbps, Downstream rate = 56045 Kbp

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.0             6.1
Attn(dB):        0.0             0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.2            6.8
                        VDSL2 framing
                        Path 0
B:              239             237
M:              1               1
T:              64              60
R:              0               16
S:              0.1363          0.5465
L:              14088           3718
D:              1               1
I:              240             127
N:              240             254
                        Counters
                        Path 0
OHF:            484593598               473031
OHFErr:         360258          1427
RS:             0               2230363
RSCorr:         0               40698
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Path 0
HEC:            124828          0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    2599976254              0
Data Cells:     119496933               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             12775           1180
SES:            863             0
UAS:            17              17
AS:             1060841

                        Path 0
INP:            0.00            0.00
PER:            2.18            8.19
delay:          0.00            0.00
OR:             88.05           31.22

Bitswap:        316378          154389

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 09-Aug-12 20:43:21)

Unfortunately, unlocking the other OR modem, the ECI is a bit more difficult http://hackingecibfocusv2fubirevb.wordpress.com/

It's probably easier to buy a HG612 on fleabay.

Which is why I said in the post that it was easy with the HG612.

That's a coincidence, because I used similar reasoning to say the ECI was hard

Ah, then you simply told me instead of the OP .

psst, pass it on

I only do that in the wee small hours.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Wake up at the back . Fibre .

Us ADSL2+ plebs don't know if the 582n is good for fibre. One guessed in the hope of helping out.

It would need to be a VDSL2 router . That would be in its spec sheets.

http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/hardware/techn...

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

It would need to be a VDSL2 router .

I know.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

That would be in its spec sheets.

There's a spec sheet? ooOoo

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/hardware/techn...

"We recommend leaving your router and BT Openreach modem switched on all the time (even if you're not using them..." that would be a lot of watts being used a lot of people a lot of the time - not very green perhaps?

True but keeping them on ensures that line management can always work its magic.

Plus who actually turns these routers off? Click onto your wireless network icon (even at this hour) and look at how many come up. I get around 12 right now, in a bedroom that's only got 1 external wall facing the garden.

Might not be green but reality is that routers are always on in most cases.

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

...Click onto your wireless network icon (even at this hour) and look at how many come up. I get around 12 right now, in a bedroom that's only got 1 external wall facing the garden.

Hope they all have at least WPA Encryption...

One unsecured, one WEP, rest WPA2 or WPA & a few of those unsecured BTFon and BT-Wifi ones

Probably most of them using default SSID's and Preshared Keys?

Most are but not everyone. Uploaded a screenshot

http://i48.tinypic.com/2mxif79.png

Edited by ukhardy07 (Fri 10-Aug-12 03:39:02)

One netgear open and another netgear WEP

I don't know anything about unsecured BTFon and BT-Wifi though - is that a serious issue?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

One netgear open and another netgear WEP

I don't know anything about unsecured BTFon and BT-Wifi though - is that a serious issue?

Well basically. The homehub comes up as BTHomeHub-whatever with WPA encryption. The homehub also broadcasts BTFon and BT-Wifi. It basically allows me to use the neighbours BTHomeHub internet if I pay a small fee. I have to enter my bank details to get access usually. Anything I do via BTFon / BTWifi isn't the owners responsibility as far as I know.

My laptop wont connect for some reason but anyway here's the landing page on my phone

http://i46.tinypic.com/t5sys1.png

It's quite expensive, £3 an hour, £5 a day and £15 for 5 days.
30 days is £39

EDIT: if you are a BT broadband customer and also share your Wifi via BTWifi and Fon you get free access to the service. So basically wherever someone has BTHomehub you can get online for free (which is most urban places).

Edited by ukhardy07 (Fri 10-Aug-12 04:17:40)

OK - so I guess 3g should be secure?

Calm down, having what we say criticised and questioned is part of the process whereby people end up with what is hopefully a more informed idea.

So your method can infer a speed closer to the sync, but with possibilities for IP profile being wrong, it is just an inference.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Calm down, having what we say criticised and questioned is part of the process whereby people end up with what is hopefully a more informed idea.

So your method can infer a speed closer to the sync, but with possibilities for IP profile being wrong, it is just an inference.

@MrSaffron I realise that 11.8% of 88.2% is not 11.8% of 100%. I don't pretend to be perfect and can make silly mistakes like anyone else, though it is a pity that my errors or the knowledge of others cannot be highlighted in a polite manner. There is no need to talk to others as if they are stupid or to be rude. It is something I will not put up with without giving as good as I feel I get. It was nice to see you have a pop at the 'High Priest' of TBB yesterday instead of coming down one sided. More of the same would make TBB seem a much fairer place to the watching world of BB.

Obviously I should stay out of this but I think it is phrases like:

'High Priest' of TBB

that have caused people to respond in a somewhat harsher manner to you than they normally would. Your history over the last few weeks comes across as just wanting to bash Plusnet no matter what - your experience with them was not good but a number of others have no issues with them and haven't experienced what you have. Just different points of view based on personal experience.

Obviously I should stay out of this

Possibly.

but I think it is phrases like:
'High Priest' of TBB that have caused people to respond in a somewhat harsher manner to you than they normally would.

Quite possibly it is the usual condescending reply that brings about such phrases.
I would hardly describe stating facts as "wanting to bash Plusnet no matter what". Even if it was, I would consider it infinitely more acceptable than endorsing them regardless of their incompetence.
Quite apart from the reign of terror I experienced with Plusnet, the world looking on has seen multiple instances of Plusnet misinformation, both from PN staff here and their seriously out of date information pages, so it is little wonder chaos ensues. A test of an ISP is the response when something goes wrong. Praise from a user who has had problem free Broadband and no need to contact customer services is not much of a yardstick.

In reply to a post by professor973:

I would hardly describe stating facts as "wanting to bash Plusnet no matter what".

In reply to a post by professor973:

You could always do a BT speedtest and add 11.8% to the resultant line profile.

Except that the fact was badly wrong for fibre

In reply to a post by professor973:

I would hardly describe stating facts as "wanting to bash Plusnet no matter what".

Quite apart from the reign of terror I experienced with Plusnet ....

Fact?

Bombs? Bailiffs? Threats of, or statements of surprise that no-one has committed, physical assault on you, entailing serious bodily harm?
_{(Now where have I seen the latter on these forums?)}

In reply to a post by Oldjim:

In reply to a post by professor973:

I would hardly describe stating facts as "wanting to bash Plusnet no matter what".

In reply to a post by professor973:

You could always do a BT speedtest and add 11.8% to the resultant line profile.

Except that the fact was badly wrong for fibre

Wake up for God's sake Jim. I have already stated I knew nothing about fibre, as did the clever-dick that was finding fault with me, not that he let that stop him. A check back will show that I have already stated I made a silly error, though unlike some here I don't pretend to know all or be perfect. I was more intent in showing the OP there was a way to arrive at the sync when others had said there was none.

Off you go again, I let slide the comments about me, have grown used to them.