Plusnet supplied router

Can you bridge the supplied plusnet modem/router?

In the UI of the Plusnet Hub Two under Advanced settings/Broadband there is a toggle for Bridge Mode.

Many thanks.

You can also get your own router and go down that router. If you are on FTTC you can get a old openreach FTTC modem from ebay for little money, that is the way I went

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ope...

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

You can also get your own router and go down that router. If you are on FTTC you can get a old openreach FTTC modem from ebay for little money, that is the way I went

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ope...

That may have been a good solution back in the early years of FTTC but not now.

The internal modem of the current Plusnet router is a much better VDSL modem than the that of the many years obsolete old Openreach ones.

do you want to bridge the router so you can use your own with FTTP ??

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

That may have been a good solution back in the early years of FTTC but not now.

Maybe, but it depends how long they are going to stay on FTTC.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

The internal modem of the current Plusnet router is a much better VDSL modem than the that of the many years obsolete old Openreach ones.

Is it?
My modem worked fine.

If bridging works ok then yes go for that, I tried it on a plusnet router, granted it was one of the older ones, and it disconnected now and again.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

The internal modem of the current Plusnet router is a much better VDSL modem than the that of the many years obsolete old Openreach ones.

I got one of those off ebay, unlocked it and used it on my 40Mb/s FTTC [I didn't need 80]. Worked a treat if we are talking about core router functionality and I would still use it I were on FTTC. Difficult to see how a modern plusnet router could be any better

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

do you want to bridge the router so you can use your own with FTTP ??

If you have FTTP, and use your own router, then you connect it directly into the ONT. You don't use the ISP supplied router at all.

The only time you'd want to use the ISP supplied router is for FTTC, where you want it to act as a modem, but terminate the session on your own router (which has an ethernet WAN port but no VDSL modem).

The newer modems make better use of the DSL signals, so can provide higher sync than the old modems.

The old modems had a nasty habit of going ‘pop’.

The use of two power supplies.

In reply to a post by DFScale:

I got one of those off ebay, unlocked it and used it on my 40Mb/s FTTC [I didn't need 80]. Worked a treat if we are talking about core router functionality and I would still use it I were on FTTC. Difficult to see how a modern plusnet router could be any better

I suppose if you have a bad connection that don't lock on well, then a newer modem may do a better job than an older one. I found the Huawei modem did a better job than my plusnet router and the Zyxel router that Plusnet sent me, but I did have a fault on my line, but even after that was sorted I found the modem worked better

The newest Openreach modem is going to be from 2016, anything you buy that has been used will have had close to 8.5 years of being connected to a phone line dealing with voltage transients, capacitors degrading etc. Buy one if you want but people valuing them at £40 are mad, they're essentially e-waste now and should be priced as such.

In reply to a post by jpm:

The newest Openreach modem is going to be from 2016, anything you buy that has been used will have had close to 8.5 years of being connected to a phone line dealing with voltage transients, capacitors degrading etc. Buy one if you want but people valuing them at £40 are mad, they're essentially e-waste now and should be priced as such.

+1

In my opinion I would say if my Huawei HG612 3B modem doesn't go pop as you suggest it might, it's perfectly OK to keep using it and on the vast majority of lines I don't believe a newer modem would perform any better. As others have said these modems work very well.

Also if the OP want's to use a Pusnet HUB2 in bridge mode with a separate router that still requires 2 power supplies.

In reply to a post by jpm:

The newest Openreach modem is going to be from 2016, anything you buy that has been used will have had close to 8.5 years of being connected to a phone line dealing with voltage transients, capacitors degrading etc. Buy one if you want but people valuing them at £40 are mad, they're essentially e-waste now and should be priced as such.

On the resell value I agree. The value is more like £10. But the argument that it is worn out for dealing with voltage transients really does not hold water for me. For the most part, it either works or it doesn't. The value of £10 reflects the likelihood that it will stop working sooner rather than later, not that it does the job better or worse.

Post deleted by PCJM40

No you dont AUTOMATICALLY use your OWN router connected to the ONT.
If they already have a router why are they not using this already ?

I was asking what the op wanted to achieve so can give advice
but I agree I wouldnt and dont use the ISP router

Edited by pyarwood (Fri 26-Apr-24 14:39:47)

What rubbish new modems dont use the signals better they usually attempt a different SNR
Very few old modems went pop.
if they are bridging the router they are already using 2 power supplies.

what you probably found is you were using an eci modem on a non eci cabinet so was getting lower sync rates.

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

No you dont AUTOMATICALLY use your OWN router connected to the ONT.
If they already have a router why are they not using this already ?

I was asking what the op wanted to achieve so can give advice
but I agree I wouldnt and dont use the ISP router

Some people are just out for an argument, would hate to bump into you accidentally.

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

What rubbish new modems dont use the signals better they usually attempt a different SNR
Very few old modems went pop.
if they are bridging the router they are already using 2 power supplies.

what you probably found is you were using an eci modem on a non eci cabinet so was getting lower sync rates.

You trying to cause another argument I see.

There's not much point trying to argue with someone who doesn't understand the difference between FTTC and FTTP.

Indeed.

Very few old modems went pop.

This comment is wrong, pure and simple. I have been in a unique position to see way more than most re such things. They did, and can still go pop, in large numbers.

Only ever had one modem/router go pop and I've had about 7 via different ISPs.

Still play with a very old be/O2 modem/router that allows us to use my mother's TV to connect wireless devices. She doesn't have broadband.

I’ve never had a modem or router go pop, ever …

but encountered the old Openreach stand alone VDSL modems , either brand, from back in the managed install days ?

I bet I’ve swapped out over a hundred or so over the years.

In reply to a post by DFScale:

On the resell value I agree. The value is more like £10.

Yeah, I would not pay more than a tenner if I needed one.

But the argument that it is worn out for dealing with voltage transients really does not hold water for me. For the most part, it either works or it doesn't. The value of £10 reflects the likelihood that it will stop working sooner rather than later, not that it does the job better or worse.

Agree 100%, sure caps can go bad and may be a issue, but these things can keep working for years.

I had a Netgear router with ADSL modem many years ago, I gave it away when I went onto Wireless broadband about 12 years ago, and it is still in use and working fine.

The ECI DSL modem I had went pop, but I am pretty sure that something happened on the line to do that as my phone went off at the same time. That is why I borrowed my neighbour's Huawei modem and then eventually got my own.
The Huawie one was still working fine until I changed to FTTP mid last year.,

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Very few old modems went pop.

This comment is wrong, pure and simple. I have been in a unique position to see way more than most re such things. They did, and can still go pop, in large numbers.

The only one that went pop on me is the ECI one I had, and I still think that was caused by a fault on the line. Routers have been my problem, well two, the plusnet one and then after a few years the Zyxel one and that was a cap problem.

Your the one trying to cause an ARGUMENT
I am not even TALKING TO YOU I am talking to the OP so why are you butting in. ???

what has FTTC and FTTP got to do with USING your OWN Router.....

and I know A LOT more about FTTC and FTTP than you I work for BT openreach installing FTTP, and USED to install FTTC...

I say again thinking it alters ANYTHING shows how much YOU know about both....

do you THINK there is no such thing as a router with built in ont ?????

MILLIONS more PSU's for modems went pop than the actual modem and you really think openreach modems have 1980s capacitors in them

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

I know A LOT more about FTTC and FTTP than you I work for BT openreach installing FTTP, and USED to install FTTC...

Really, if you're Openreach you won't have an issue sharing the 3 letters of your OUC???

yes like I would share anything like that on the internet...

but tell us how you cannot use a plusnet supplied router on FTTP.....

<sigh>

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

what has FTTC and FTTP got to do with USING your OWN Router.....

and I know A LOT more about FTTC and FTTP than you I work for BT openreach installing FTTP, and USED to install FTTC...

I say again thinking it alters ANYTHING shows how much YOU know about both....

do you THINK there is no such thing as a router with built in ont ?????

You may install it, but it don't mean you know about it, like a sky bloke sticking a dish up and connecting it to a some boxes,, just because he can do that, don't mean he knows how it works.

A lot of things are just following the instructions these days.

I am, not saying you don't know more about it, just saying that installing something don't mean you know more than somone else.

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

yes like I would share anything like that on the internet...

but tell us how you cannot use a plusnet supplied router on FTTP.....

Looking at the pictures of the hub 2, it has a Wan, so unless plusnet disables that, which I doubt as I did not on the hub one, then it will be easy to use the router with FTTP. I expect the one they supply with FTTC and FTTP is the same router anyway.

It is only when provider lock their routers and only allow limited changes that we have problems

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

yes like I would share anything like that on the internet...

If you THINK revealing 3 letters of an OUC identifies you then I would question if you really work for Openreach. Hopefully everyone can come to their own conclusion from this.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Looking at the pictures of the hub 2, it has a Wan, so unless plusnet disables that, which I doubt as I did not on the hub one, then it will be easy to use the router with FTTP. I expect the one they supply with FTTC and FTTP is the same router anyway.

Yes the Plusnet Hub 2 is the same identical box for both FTTC and FTTP.

So we have gone from one question to another issue of the hg612 and fighting - why?..

Yes it was a good modem, and yes all equipment "wear out" in the sense the caps get less efficient and in some cases fail. Both the eci and hg612 power supplies were known to fail.

I think the updates to the 612 happened around 2015-16(the dates don't actually matter) that means anything that was tweaked on vdsl2 beyond the last firmware update wasn't going to appear, or work on the 612.

The issue beyond the 612 was that there wasn't any other godlike modem around - they all just worked well.

ONTs fail too .........

In reply to a post by Taras:

So we have gone from one question to another issue of the hg612 and fighting - why?..

You're right, the OP question was

In reply to a post by Banger:

Can you bridge the supplied plusnet modem/router?

It was answered in the first reply

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

In the UI of the Plusnet Hub Two under Advanced settings/Broadband there is a toggle for Bridge Mode.

and the OP responded

In reply to a post by Banger:

Many thanks.

Everything after that is...........

I dont think an OUC is identifying I said I wouldnt get in to discussions about it on the INTERNET,

but again you claim you always use your own router on FTTP so explain.

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

I dont think an OUC is identifying I said I wouldnt get in to discussions about it on the INTERNET,

As I said, I will leave people to make up their own minds about you being an employee of Openreach (or as you call it BT Openreach).

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

you claim you always use your own router on FTTP so explain.

yep, have done it on Sky and Plusnet but there's nothing special about that, whats this got to do with the question the OP asked and had answered 2 weeks ago.

Can we all tone it down please. Let's not get angry with other posters

In reply to a post by Taras:

ONTs fail too .........

I am still using a huawei ONT that old one with 4 data ports and 2 phone ports + BBU (with original supplied batteries), been working great since we got it installed back in 2016.

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Paul

In reply to a post by Taras:

So we have gone from one question to another issue of the hg612 and fighting - why?..

Yes it was a good modem, and yes all equipment "wear out" in the sense the caps get less efficient and in some cases fail. Both the eci and hg612 power supplies were known to fail.

I think the updates to the 612 happened around 2015-16(the dates don't actually matter) that means anything that was tweaked on vdsl2 beyond the last firmware update wasn't going to appear, or work on the 612.

The issue beyond the 612 was that there wasn't any other godlike modem around - they all just worked well.

ONTs fail too .........

Fighting? I am not fighting.

Sadly everything fails at some point, some will go on for years, like my old TP-link router is over 12 years and old and would still work, the only reason I don't use it is that it can't cope with the amount of Wi-fi stuff I have. Not bothered about it being 2.4Ghz only.
My modem done the job I needed it to do, I suppose could have used the plusnet hub as a modem instead of the Openreach one, but I think the hub takes more energy than the modem.

ONT certainly do fail and sometimes before they are used, i chat to one person where 3 were tried when they had fibre installed, the last one worked ok.

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

yes like I would share anything like that on the internet...

If you THINK revealing 3 letters of an OUC identifies you then I would question if you really work for Openreach. Hopefully everyone can come to their own conclusion from this.

Don't care if they work for Openreach or not, still don't mean they know more than anyone else.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

ONT certainly do fail and sometimes before they are used, i chat to one person where 3 were tried when they had fibre installed, the last one worked ok.

i had one failure on install - wasn't syncing with the servers (nokia 1gbit one) for about 20 minutes so they gave up and it was replaced with a 2.5gbit nokia ont (which i thought was still a gbit one)

note; replying to your other comment I wasn't referring to you Adrian. But the crazyness of the argument regarding the 612, which did go thru a bad patch where they were failing. You can have two installers see different issues with equipment. We all see a different version of the world just like we all see a different version facebook depending on various factors.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Don't care if they work for Openreach or not, still don't mean they know more than anyone else.

I agree it doesn't but in life some people make all sorts of claims to try and give what they say more credence. Hopefully we can all see through those sorts of people.

You don't have to be Edison Carter to work somethings out ;o) lol

Three letter and three numbers would still make it a 1in40 chance.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Three letter and three numbers would still make it a 1in40 chance.

Good point, if they ain't prepared to give the first 3 letters of the OUC which tells us nothing about them you do have to question the authenticity of the name in the profile especially as there is a spelling mistake compared to the username.

In reply to a post by Taras:

i had one failure on install - wasn't syncing with the servers (nokia 1gbit one) for about 20 minutes so they gave up and it was replaced with a 2.5gbit nokia ont (which i thought was still a gbit one)

Thankfully, I had no issues with the installation once they started to install it., I did have an issue when they decided they needed to take photos and send them to my landlord and I had already had permission for it to be installed, so it took a week longer to get.
But the installation went pretty smooth.

note; replying to your other comment I wasn't referring to you Adrian. But the crazyness of the argument regarding the 612, which did go thru a bad patch where they were failing. You can have two installers see different issues with equipment. We all see a different version of the world just like we all see a different version facebook depending on various factors.

Fair enough

I've just read the first 26 or 27 of pyarwood's posts since he registered on the site.

As has been pointed out, quite a few of his posts are straight off Google articles, which is hilarious considering the people he argues with.

I suspect he works for one of the Openreach contractors. We still occasionally see Kelly's vans around here.