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Some posters are very clever to load their posts in that way then claim foul when mods take exception to it, not suggesting you are one by the way! I don't know your posting style plain and simple. I've just done it to David in this thread

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Not in reference to RogN's post.. this is a real problem.. Those very skilled at crafting carefully worded posts are better at this. It reminds me of politics in general which I hate because it's so full of pretence.

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We didn't "consider" any other specific individuals.. I don't have a "hit list" in front of me.. I was speculating based on the reaction.. maybe the solution would have been to be wider. but what's done is done. Although we had thought about how to deal with this problem before, the ban was the reason this came about now.

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You miss what i was saying. No one said you had a hit list, but, from your own words (which i have pasted again below) You appear to be saying that any further bans that may be considered would be coming EXCLUSIVELY from the "anti brigade"
How else would including more in the ban have the side effect of.......letting PN off the hook, as you put it?

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.. I would have been half tempted to include more right at the outset but I think that would have a side effect of letting PN off the hook on things they should be taken to task with

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Purdy

Personally I feel this is too little, and perhaps too late. Whenever I visit this forum I see the same old sad obsessives waging a pointless war against PlusNet - and knowingly wrecking the place for average PlusNet users like myself. Luckily most of my connections are with another provider now so I don't spend as much of my time here as I used to.

Sometimes I feel people read who has posted, so expect it to read one way.
Merits of posts can get lost in who is the poster.

". I don't know your style of posting so I read it has a bash at plusnet and TBB."

Subtelties are not my style, as you might have noticed, straight from the shoulder. But if you could not see it, I was saying that a biased board was as bad as these others, which justified my earlier comments and being told to "get a grip, its only an ISP" and had no reference to Pn at all.

But I do expect founders not to suffer from that affliction.

Ok you're clearly not hearing me so I'll leave it here.

seb

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I have one major regret in this.. which is I think this will make it difficult for us to help facilitate the event we've been talking about organising with PN.. and as such I'm sort of having second thoughts about that (because there's no point in us doing it if we are regarded as biased by people who might very well bring what is needed to it (not aimed at any one user alone btw).. It just wouldn't achieve anything.

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Trying to organise an event in tandem with Plusnet, shortly followed by a decision to ban PR100 could be construed as more than coincidence.

You comment that last year Plusnet deserved a kick up the backside and it was in no small measure due to Simon that they got it, and yet I don't particularly recall that TBB were onside with with the concept of 'kicking' at the time.

"Let's also remember that the Plusnet reps didn't decide to come back. More to the point is that when Marco Potesta 'left' Plusnet, they were thereby released from his order to stay away from TBB.

John talks of "improvements not going as well as we would hope" and "slow progress". What on earth do those bland statements mean? The "positive culture" reads to me suspiciously like unquestioning compliance with anything that Plusnet might lob the customer's way.

A last thought. Remember that Plusnet threw Simon out as a customer and banned him from their forum? Has it to this day changed the culture of that forum? Just look at the thread titles there for the answers to that question.

This is an extremely poor decision, not based on sound reasoning I am sorry to say.

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Trying to organise an event in tandem with Plusnet, shortly followed by a decision to ban PR100 could be construed as more than coincidence.

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I'm sure it will be construed as such.. but this is not the case..

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John talks of "improvements not going as well as we would hope" and "slow progress". What on earth do those bland statements mean? The "positive culture" reads to me suspiciously like unquestioning compliance with anything that Plusnet might lob the customer's way.

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I've said in my other replies that there are some users on here who seem to be unable to let anything go.. they will grab onto a new branch as soon as something is done to fix another..

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A last thought. Remember that Plusnet threw Simon out as a customer and banned him from their forum? Has it to this day changed the culture of that forum? Just look at the thread titles there for the answers to that question.

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I would point out we've not thrown anyone 'off' the forums here.. we're just taking a 'time out'. There is a difference.. and we've categorically stated this is temporary (albeit longer than many would expect). In fact, it's Simon who said he would be "moving on" when PN got taken over.. we're several months into that now.. PlusNet managed to take a break themselves off the forums.. and generally coming back months later I think their attitude has improved.. I wish some others considered this sometimes.

seb

Very true.