In reply to a post by DFScale:

To be fair to OP, the asterisk looks more like a side project to allow wife and SiL to speak for hours on end over a private system and provided he gets his public network telephony sorted, it won't be a real problem if one day he can't maintain his asterisk. asterisk.

or use whats app...

I'm lead to believe one of my elderly neighbours had their telephone only service migrated over to use FTTP rather than copper. Having never been into their house I can't say if its true or what equipment they have but that must of happened around 18 months ago. They certainly have a CSP (I saw Openreach install it) but interestingly the checker says 'ONT exists with no active service', they have lived in the house since the early 1940s so the ONT isn't from the previous owners of the house.

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

I'm lead to believe one of my elderly neighbours had their telephone only service migrated over to use FTTP rather than copper. Having never been into their house I can't say if its true or what equipment they have but that must of happened around 18 months ago. They certainly have a CSP (I saw Openreach install it) but interestingly the checker says 'ONT exists with no active service', they have lived in the house since the early 1940s so the ONT isn't from the previous owners of the house.

AFAIK there has been no BT instigated migration to DV for phone only customers, but that’s only really my observation, and not necessarily true, I certainly don’t have any inside information about this .
It would be interesting to know if this has happened , a telephone only customer changed to BTDV , contacted out of the blue by BT , in effect BT saying you need to have FTTP to continue with your telephone service (in an FTTP area ) , or we need to convert you to BTDV , irrespective of the underlying tech , ADSL , FTTC or FTTP , but don’t worry it’s the same price , we supply you with a broadband router to run this service, as stated there is no evidence of a service specific equipment to run BTDV instead of a SH2 so anyone provided with this telephone only service in these circumstances would think why do I need a broadband router and I’ve not seen any ‘chatter’ around this if it has happened.

it obviously will be necessary at some point for those that don’t want or need broadband in an area with FTTP available to be migrated , I don’t think that point in time has arrived yet , it’s usually older folk that don’t want broadband, presumably as they do move addresses , into smaller properties , retirement homes , etc and increasingly this will be to an area that has FTTP as the default network, so this is a likely scenario someone wanting a phone only service when they move with FTTP as the default …it would be interesting to know of a real world case .

Edited by Iniltous (Wed 02-Jul-25 10:42:08)

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

, it obviously will be necessary at some point for those that don’t want or need broadband in an area with FTTP available to be migrated , I don’t think that point in time has arrived, and as it’s usually older folk that don’t want broadband, presumably they do move addresses and increasingly this will be to an area that has FTTP as the default network, so this is a likely scenario wanting a phine only service …it would be interesting to know of a real world case .

We may see more of this in 2026 and sadly there may be a scramble to get the remaining OR pstn user moved.

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

AFAIK there has been no BT instigated migration to DV for phone only customers, but that’s only really my observation, and not necessarily true, I certainly don’t have any inside information about this .
It would be interesting to know if this has happened , a telephone only customer changed to BTDV , contacted out of the blue by BT , in effect BT saying you need to have FTTP to continue with your telephone service (in an FTTP area ) , or we need to convert you to BTDV , irrespective of the underlying tech , ADSL , FTTC or FTTP , but don’t worry it’s the same price , we supply you with a broadband router to run this service, as stated there is no evidence of a service specific equipment to run BTDV instead of a SH2 so anyone provided with this telephone only service in these circumstances would think why do I need a broadband router and I’ve not seen any ‘chatter’ around this if it has happened.

At a roadshow event last year, BT explained to me that in the medium term, the refuseniks will be transitioned to DV anyway, without being told. Essentially, they will effectively get a DV adapter at the exchange or in a cabinet with the existing copper connection to the house.

In reply to a post by DFScale:

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

AFAIK there has been no BT instigated migration to DV for phone only customers, but that’s only really my observation, and not necessarily true, I certainly don’t have any inside information about this .
It would be interesting to know if this has happened , a telephone only customer changed to BTDV , contacted out of the blue by BT , in effect BT saying you need to have FTTP to continue with your telephone service (in an FTTP area ) , or we need to convert you to BTDV , irrespective of the underlying tech , ADSL , FTTC or FTTP , but don’t worry it’s the same price , we supply you with a broadband router to run this service, as stated there is no evidence of a service specific equipment to run BTDV instead of a SH2 so anyone provided with this telephone only service in these circumstances would think why do I need a broadband router and I’ve not seen any ‘chatter’ around this if it has happened.

At a roadshow event last year, BT explained to me that in the medium term, the refuseniks will be transitioned to DV anyway, without being told. Essentially, they will effectively get a DV adapter at the exchange or in a cabinet with the existing copper connection to the house.

Yes , that’s my assumption for existing phone only customers, it’s those that move address in the post PSTN world that don’t want broadband, or those that have FTTP only (new builds for example) BT don’t seem to have an obvious method to provide only what they want

In reply to a post by DFScale:

At a roadshow event last year, BT explained to me that in the medium term, the refuseniks will be transitioned to DV anyway, without being told. Essentially, they will effectively get a DV adapter at the exchange or in a cabinet with the existing copper connection to the house.

DV at the exchange makes sense and is easier and cheaper in the medium term as you can do it in bulk, over a said time frame. Then deal with the refuseniks post shut off.

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

In reply to a post by DFScale:

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

AFAIK there has been no BT instigated migration to DV for phone only customers, but that’s only really my observation, and not necessarily true, I certainly don’t have any inside information about this .
It would be interesting to know if this has happened , a telephone only customer changed to BTDV , contacted out of the blue by BT , in effect BT saying you need to have FTTP to continue with your telephone service (in an FTTP area ) , or we need to convert you to BTDV , irrespective of the underlying tech , ADSL , FTTC or FTTP , but don’t worry it’s the same price , we supply you with a broadband router to run this service, as stated there is no evidence of a service specific equipment to run BTDV instead of a SH2 so anyone provided with this telephone only service in these circumstances would think why do I need a broadband router and I’ve not seen any ‘chatter’ around this if it has happened.

At a roadshow event last year, BT explained to me that in the medium term, the refuseniks will be transitioned to DV anyway, without being told. Essentially, they will effectively get a DV adapter at the exchange or in a cabinet with the existing copper connection to the house.

Yes , that’s my assumption for existing phone only customers, it’s those that move address in the post PSTN world that don’t want broadband, or those that have FTTP only (new builds for example) BT don’t seem to have an obvious method to provide only what they want

Ofcom ignored pstn for years, left it to the market (or basically) and the switch off is a mess, with no proper transition for average joe who can't config a sip device.

I really do lay the blame on ofcom for the mess

In reply to a post by Taras:

Ofcom ignored pstn for years, left it to the market (or basically) and the switch off is a mess, with no proper transition for average joe who can't config a sip device.

I really do lay the blame on ofcom for the mess

Yes, I agree. BT and OR should never have been allowed to get away with proprietary hardware [DV adaptors] for the new digital services. It is a technical barrier to competition and I would have thought Ofcom would have been on top of this.

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

AFAIK there has been no BT instigated migration to DV for phone only customers, but that’s only really my observation, and not necessarily true, I certainly don’t have any inside information about this

This person is a difficult customer on the best of days, wouldn't surprise me if they called up BT and asked to be moved over as everyone around them is now on FTTP and they are not one to miss out. The telephone number is no longer recognised by the DSL checker which is a bit of a giveaway that they are now on DV.