No traffic shaping, port blocking, throttling unlimited ISP

Currently have a Digital Region connection on the Cantley exchange: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SLCLY. Before that we were with ADSL24 for a couple of years and before that AOL for 10+ years.

With these news that Digital Region is falling apart we're looking for a new ISP. We need one that doesn't traffic shape, port block, throttle or any of that rubbish. Also would need some form of unlimited, the 8PM to 8AM unlimited with ADSL24 worked well although obviously 24/7 unlimited would be even better. Monthly usage will be 2 to 3TB a month.

The best option at the moment is looking ADSL24 but other options I've found are ClaranetSOLO and Vivaciti. Presumably all the big names (BT, Sky, TalkTalk and Plusnet) are to be avoid? Others like AAISP are too expensive!

Do people have any suggestions?

Sky no traffic management, BT have relented to the point no-one complains, and even TalkTalk seems to be fairly light on it.

If this FTTC or a move back to ADSL2+?

Would like to stay FTTC. So Sky has zero traffic managemnet, ie: they don't slow down torrents?

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

Monthly usage will be 2 to 3TB a month.

what a complete joke how the hell can someone use so much

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

Others like AAISP are too expensive!
Do people have any suggestions?

yes pay the correct charge for your usage people like you make me sick expect to get everything for next to nothing too expensive DON'T DOWNLOAD SO MUCH

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Correct

Do the maths. You are using almost the full capacity of a 10 Mbps leased line. As other threads point out the internet connection & traffic charges will cost an ISP of the order of £100 per month plus infrastructure costs, etc. Any small ISP that knowingly accepts your business is operating a unviable business model unless they charge for bandwidth.

Large ISPs can survive by pooling extreme users with hundreds of others who use much less capacity. However, it is clear that this model can't survive in the longer term as average usage increases and bandwidth costs come to dominate infrastructure costs. So in practice you are going to be rationed sooner or later - either by queuing (congestion) or by contract terms.

Advertising "unlimited" contracts is a form of Gresham's Law - bad money drives out good. It works for a while but eventually you attract too many extreme users and you have no incentive to upgrade capacity, so that everyone suffers from congestion. Any user with any understanding of how these things work should avoid any ISP that offers unlimited contracts if they have any real choice.

Any user with any understanding of how these things work should avoid any ISP that offers unlimited contracts if they have any real choice.

Which is one of the reasons I went with AAISP. The other being that they charge proportionally to your usage (use more, pay more). So 2-3TB a month (per the OP's initial post) is going to work out insanely expensive with them (by my calculations, 60 off-peak units a month which comes in at £234 a month, just on units alone, not including line rental or any provisioned ADSL/FTTC service charge). But the plus side is that there is very little chance he/she will opt to go with AAISP due to this, so AAISP will not have to deal with 2-3TB per month on their network, or indeed any other users like that - leaving their network uncongested and running at full speed for everyone else.

Which is what I will quite happily pay them for.

To the OP: Do not take this personally, but 2-3TB a month is obscene. For laughs, I worked out how you could sensibly fit that onto an AAISP provisioned service. So, AAISP have 4 hours every morning which they class as night-time special. This is charged at a rate of 1TB/unit. 3TB is approx 100GB per day. So to download 100GB a day with AAISP at the cheapest possible rate, you'd have to fit that into this 4 hour window. That means you would need to be downloading at 7MB/sec solidly, from 2am-6am every day. So you would need at least a 80/20 FTTC service and be yards away from your nearest cabinet for a start, to even get that. Assuming not to use the connection outwith this time slot, that means you'd be chomping through 3 units a month just from using the AAISP night-time special rate at 7Mb/sec constant download.

I've had a quick look at my bandwidth records for the previous 12 months and I clock in at about 1.5-2TB per year. So if Sky/TalkTalk and the others are happy to take on customers like you, I'm staying well clear of them.

Edited by deleted (Thu 22-Aug-13 13:41:35)

You must download a lot of Linux ISO's!!!!!!

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

. Monthly usage will be 2 to 3TB a month.

Do you have a market stall or do you punt your dodgy DVDs pub to pub?

2 to 3 Terabytes a month!!

Maybe he works for GCHQ or the NSA?

The connection is shared between 4/5 people. The internet is used as the primary means for media consumption for 3/4 people. Lots of 1080p films and TV shows, around 60 hours of live HD sports streaming a month, iPlayer, YouTube, Netflix, cloud backups, music, photos, emails etc. Just checked in uTorrent and over the last 31 days and it's tracked up and down traffic of just short of 400GB*. Tomorrow I'm going to have to download just short of 1TB of mainly broadcast quality videos in multiple formats to put onto a portable HDD to send to someone as a backup.

*Linux ISOs and multiple version of OpenOffice.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

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WBC FTTC Up to 50.4 Up to 13.2 -- Available
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available

It sounds like this connection is for business use. You are going to find it hard to get a decent residential grade package which can deliver on these requirements. You can certainly go the Sky/TalkTalk route, but I'm pretty sure you will not be getting full speed all the time on the connection (due to contention) and they certainly won't provide you with a business grade SLA or technical support. But what do I know? That's just my opinion.

When I said this level of usage is "obscene", I wasn't having a go at you directly. It's "obscene" because you are expecting this from a residential grade broadband connection, which I think is unfair on other users and way beneath the sustainability of such a connection.

EDIT: Basically, you have 5 above average "heavy" residential users on this connection, each doing 600Gb/month. And you're trying to fit them all onto just one broadband connection. That's where you are coming unstuck. Maybe provisioning 2 slower broadband connections, and balancing between them is a better option? (also gives you redundancy). It just seems like way too much for a normal residential link I'm afraid.

Edited by deleted (Thu 22-Aug-13 15:48:14)

... news that Digital Region is falling apart ...

Monthly usage will be 2 to 3TB a month.

Well as you can get FTTC that has to be the way to go, whichever ISP you choose.

In reply to a post by Apprentice:

... news that Digital Region is falling apart ...

Monthly usage will be 2 to 3TB a month.

I was about to post:-

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

Currently have a Digital Region connection .... With these news that Digital Region is falling apart we're looking for a new ISP.

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

The connection is shared between 4/5 people. The internet is used as the primary means for media consumption for 3/4 people. Lots of 1080p films and TV shows, around 60 hours of live HD sports streaming a month, iPlayer, YouTube, Netflix, cloud backups, music, photos, emails etc. Just checked in uTorrent and over the last 31 days and it's tracked up and down traffic of just short of 400GB*. Tomorrow I'm going to have to download just short of 1TB of mainly broadcast quality videos in multiple formats to put onto a portable HDD to send to someone as a backup.
*Linux ISOs and multiple version of OpenOffice.

what is it 4 or 5 people ? don't you know how many people in your household

sorry that is a load of bull there is 5 people in my household all using the internet that is why I pay for my usage by having 2 internet connections installed AND yet could never get that close to what you do. pathetic and a total pisstake I bet my house on it that all that you are downloading is not legal and above board

In reply to a post by mixt:

Basically, you have 5 above average "heavy" residential users on this connection, each doing 600Gb/month......

Obviously nobody sleeps or has a job in this residence..... (600GB/mo equates, roughly to 10 hrs HD viewing/day!)

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

...... Tomorrow I'm going to have to download just short of 1TB of mainly broadcast quality videos in multiple formats to put onto a portable HDD to send to someone as a backup.

Hmm, so what your doing is downloading everything from iPlayer and sending it to somebody?

In reply to a post by Stevenage_Neil:

Obviously nobody sleeps or has a job in this residence.

that sounds about right don't forget claiming unemployment benefit sitting on their [censored] all day clearly not working sponging off the state bum downloading illegal stuff

In reply to a post by bobbylfc:

that sounds about right don't forget claiming unemployment benefit sitting on their [censored] all day clearly not working sponging off the state bum downloading illegal stuff

......and watching on knocked off laptops or TV's.....

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In reply to a post by bobbylfc:

that sounds about right don't forget claiming unemployment benefit sitting on their [censored] all day clearly not working sponging off the state bum downloading illegal stuff

......and watching on knocked off laptops or TV's.....

drinking and smoking weed all day .

A he could be my neighbour

Anyone else feeling the love in this thread?

Can you feel the love tonight.....

no me neither!

In reply to a post by vwillcox:

Can you feel the love tonight.....

no me neither!

You're looking in the wrong forum, try this one here.

Can't believe I've missed all these posts, been too busy smoking the ganja to logon! Since my last post our router has recorded 72TB of up and downloads, I think our network is hacked! Great LULz nerdz!

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

Can't believe I've missed all these posts, been too busy smoking the ganja to logon! Since my last post our router has recorded 72TB of up and downloads, I think our network is hacked! Great LULz nerdz!

well stop smoking the ganja man and get yourself a J.O.B
you parasite and leach

In reply to a post by bobbylfc:

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

Can't believe I've missed all these posts, been too busy smoking the ganja to logon! Since my last post our router has recorded 72TB of up and downloads, I think our network is hacked! Great LULz nerdz!

well stop smoking the ganja man and get yourself a J.O.B
you parasite and leach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlujizeNNQM

Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Aug-13 18:15:03)

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

In reply to a post by bobbylfc:

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

Can't believe I've missed all these posts, been too busy smoking the ganja to logon! Since my last post our router has recorded 72TB of up and downloads, I think our network is hacked! Great LULz nerdz!

well stop smoking the ganja man and get yourself a J.O.B
you parasite and leach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlujizeNNQM

lol good tune

In reply to a post by vwillcox:

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

...... Tomorrow I'm going to have to download just short of 1TB of mainly broadcast quality videos in multiple formats to put onto a portable HDD to send to someone as a backup.

Hmm, so what your doing is downloading everything from iPlayer and sending it to somebody?

Oooh you're a cynical bunch.

Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Aug-13 20:11:27)

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

Enjoy picking up the soap for Bubba

I thought his name was leroy

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

In reply to a post by bobbylfc:

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

Enjoy picking up the soap for Bubba

I thought his name was leroy

Maybe it's changed

am afraid so Bubba got bubbled by leroy

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

besides the point. You've actually admitted that you are downloading and distributing stuff. I doubt these " Broadcast Quality Videos" are home videos. And as a backup to what? someone got a shoody internet connection and you send them HDD's to watch from?

Well, Maybe this should be reported to FACT - TBB will have your IP address and therefore FACT will have your ISP account and all your details. I download lots I admit but even I find this bit disturbing.

Enjoy picking up the soap for Bubba

besides the point but the videos are for a bluechip client.

Anyone else looking forward to consuming GBs streaming the EPL in HD this weekend?

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

Oh but it is the point. Bluechip Client or not you need a PRS and a PPL licence if you are going to give videos to anyone and unless you have these you are copyright infringing. But you have been reported and FACT have had this thread as a reference. Up to them what they do

Well this thread escalated quickly! Starts out as me asking for advice on ISPs and ends with me being being reported to FACT lol.

At this point I guess I should retain legal counsel! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCHB4GCyufE

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

besides the point but the videos are for a bluechip client.

In the OP there was no mention that this was for commercial use. Almost all provider's T&C do contain statements like

(a) Sky Broadband is for private use by you and members of your household only. It must not be used for any commercial or business purpose.

So while you may be confident that none of the materials you download is illegal, you would still be required to have a business contract rather than a home contract.
Maybe time to stop digging?

In reply to a post by jecop:

In reply to a post by unhappyaoluser:

besides the point but the videos are for a bluechip client.

In the OP there was no mention that this was for commercial use. Almost all provider's T&C do contain statements like

(a) Sky Broadband is for private use by you and members of your household only. It must not be used for any commercial or business purpose.

So while you may be confident that none of the materials you download is illegal, you would still be required to have a business contract rather than a home contract.
Maybe time to stop digging?

As far as I can tell there isn't a differentiation between resi. and business on the DR network in general or our particular ISPs ToS but anyway.

Or not wish!

He isn't that confident. As long as he isn't on my network I don't really care

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Aug-13 14:51:32)

Love.. love.. love..
No love no cry

What a pleasant group of internet users frequent Thinkbroadband.....

If he is downloading illegal material to sell to other on his internet, then that is his business, his risk and no one else's. Its up to his ISP to discover or even care how he uses his internet and enforce its rules, not random people on the internet.

The costs for an ISP for a user of downloading huge amounts is also irrelevant; if its advertised as unlimited, this shouldn't be a problem and if it is, then its falsely advertised.

The sanctimoniousness on this thread is almost hilarious.

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Sep-13 11:42:58)

Without prejudice
Does it become someone else's business when the poster publicly asks for help in such activities? Particularly as the specific activities in this case are detrimental to some posters here?

Has it occurred to you that if he is also acting criminally then anyone helping him becomes an accessory to the crime?

You object to sanctimony. How exactly would you define your post and attitude?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Without prejudice
Does it become someone else's business when the poster publicly asks for help in such activities? Particularly as the specific activities in this case are detrimental to some posters here?

Has it occurred to you that if he is also acting criminally then anyone helping him becomes an accessory to the crime?

You object to sanctimony. How exactly would you define your post and attitude?

Whether his activities are detrimental to other users is a separate issue. That should be associated with how internet packages are sold and the definition of unlimited broadband. I>e, how much constitutes overuse impacting upon other users. Should users police each other rather than the ISP etc. This is far separate to the activities that one might wish to do with their internet.

When you speak about crime, there has been no description of a crime being committed by the OP, indeed his activities appear to be legal. Those who have implied as have you, that his activities are a crime is indeed sanctimonious. It is not your business, regardless of whether someone has made an unrelated request for support on this forum. His asking of a general question quickly degenerated into questions of legality as you may have noticed due to his claimed usage.

If you believe a 'crime' is being committed, then call the police.

And just to add, no-one would be an accessory to a crime by advising him on what ISP to sign up for based upon his post and usage needs. Thats ridiculous.

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Sep-13 13:27:57)

As well as being sanctimonious yourself, as pointed previously and ignored by you, it seems you are also incapable of reading and understanding conditionals.

That doesn't look like a decent basis for a sensible discussion of a difference of opinion, so I'll leave you to rant in peace.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

As well as being sanctimonious yourself, as pointed previously and ignored by you, it seems you are also incapable of reading and understanding conditionals.

That doesn't look like a decent basis for a sensible discussion of a difference of opinion, so I'll leave you to rant in peace.

Of course. Well done.

2 to 3 Terabytes a month!!

Maybe he works for GCHQ or the NSA?

Yeah, probably.. LOL..

Before the mud starts flying am closing this thread.