Yes they are expensive

Nearest thing I can find so far (apart from Web Tapestry or Zen) is Gravity Internets ADSL Basic Max, says "No download or p2p limits" and I can't see anything in the AUP which gives any figures, at £39pm (I assume plus VAT) it looks like an option unless of course anyone knows something I don't?

Edited by jeff1106uk (Sun 13-Sep-09 23:34:47)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

It's slow. It's unreliable. It's expensive. It's restrictive. Anything else?

IDNet, Zen, Newnet, AAISP? In my opinion between them these cater quite adequately and economically for 80% of the market.

The big problem we have is infrastructure, in comparison with other developed nations that is . I understand that this is not the fault of the ISPs as BT sets the agenda and everybody else just has to react.

Will check out the other suggestions made on the thread. Thanks for the help.

EDIT: spelurng ishoos

Edited by CelestialTeapot (Sun 13-Sep-09 23:43:13)

Yep.

I agree there isn't much around for you in the market.

Not many supercars available to me either.

In reply to a post by jeff1106uk:

I'm in much the same situation, fairly heavy user currently on Entas Office135 at £53pm just so my autistic son can stream movies, videos and play World of Warcraft. But after 2 months of everything being OK I've picked up 4 black marks in the last 2 weeks, the last one for downloading 384Mb at 9pm on a Thursday night!.

My only options are to either move to Zen Unlimited at £83pm or to Web Tapestry who are an Enta L2TP reseller (so same ISPC connection to Edinburgh but no ALT applied) at £78pm. Not much of a choice for a disabled single parent with 3 children to feed

What I'm getting at is that ISP's offered a 'numbers game'. They deceived us into believing they could offer an unlimited service. Others, with a hefty download limit. The numbers game - was the fact that they thought that we'd never use the full limits - when we started to actually use the limit, they quickly realised they were in deep sh*t.

So what we're getting now is a pullback to what they should have offered us in the first place. Yes, it sucks and they should have done this in the first place - but some ISP's have only ever offered this in the first place and when I say 'quality', I mean that only a handful of ISPs are offering certain products - with great support, but with limitations in terms of when you can download etc. I'll take that any day over an ISP which promises 'unlimited' with crappy support.

I too was on the Enta 30/300 and it was a sad day when that came to an end - but this is it now, if you can't get LLU or WBC. If we want to continue to get any sort of decent download or service, we have to accept limitations. Sucks yes.

I'd still call them all slow, unreliable, expensive and restrictive just because they're based on BT Wholesale and ADSL which gets delivered over decrepit copper lines.

You could pay an arm and a leg for a connection from any of those and still not have any guarantee of getting a decent speed, even with a 'capable' line.

Let's face it. Those of us without LLU or cable get ripped off quite nicely, and it's not as if LLU or cable are anything to brag about anyway.

There's no trusting providers these days when they can pretty much get off with providing you with whatever shoddy service they feel like. So many of them don't even seem to stick to their own 50:1 contention ratios. My provider is pretty much certain to be guilty of going grossly over that number.

Edited by deleted (Mon 14-Sep-09 00:32:28)

There's no trusting providers these days when they can pretty much get off with providing you with whatever shoddy service they feel like.

I wish you would stop making comments like the above as though it applies to all retailers reliant on BT Wholesale.

Your posts as a whole read as though it is the case.

It clearly isn't. The ones I listed try, with varying success, to provide a good service. All of them are far better then BT or most of the big players.

I agree BT Wholesale could be a lot better. Our local newsagent would be a darn sight better as well if Smiths were not the monopoly newspaper wholesaler that they are in most of the country.

In reply to a post by Btcc22:

I'd still call them all slow, unreliable, expensive and restrictive just because they're based on BT Wholesale and ADSL which gets delivered over decrepit copper lines.

You could pay an arm and a leg for a connection from any of those and still not have any guarantee of getting a decent speed, even with a 'capable' line.

Let's face it. Those of us without LLU or cable get ripped off quite nicely, and it's not as if LLU or cable are anything to brag about anyway.

There's no trusting providers these days when they can pretty much get off with providing you with whatever shoddy service they feel like. So many of them don't even seem to stick to their own 50:1 contention ratios. My provider is pretty much certain to be guilty of going grossly over that number.

Hmmm. There's a world of difference between Orange/Tiscali/Virgin ADSL and AAISP/Zen/IDNet.

I was going to point out that I wasn't saying that all ISP's are out to provide a bad service and are limited thanks to BT Wholesale, but I didn't really think that was needed.

Regardless of that though, I still believe the post is valid.

In reply to a post by white43:

In reply to a post by Btcc22:

I'd still call them all slow, unreliable, expensive and restrictive just because they're based on BT Wholesale and ADSL which gets delivered over decrepit copper lines.

You could pay an arm and a leg for a connection from any of those and still not have any guarantee of getting a decent speed, even with a 'capable' line.

Let's face it. Those of us without LLU or cable get ripped off quite nicely, and it's not as if LLU or cable are anything to brag about anyway.

There's no trusting providers these days when they can pretty much get off with providing you with whatever shoddy service they feel like. So many of them don't even seem to stick to their own 50:1 contention ratios. My provider is pretty much certain to be guilty of going grossly over that number.

Hmmm. There's a world of difference between Orange/Tiscali/Virgin ADSL and AAISP/Zen/IDNet.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Like I said though, since they're tied into using BT Wholesale my comments still apply regardless of what ISP it is.