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Is there a guide for doing this, and, are there any recomendations for the best modem?
I do not need a modem router as I will be redeploying my Airpoirt Extreme for that side of things, so just need a really good stable modem to replace the HH5.
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HG612 off eBay. Make sure it's a 3B. IIRC often a higher sync than the Home Hub.
Cheaper if you buy it locked and unlock it yourself. Unlocking is simple. Then you can see the full line stats.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
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Billion 8800NL can be configured as a modem or a modem router, has 2.4GHz wifi too. Broadcom chipset, can see the stats, can be used with DSLStats, can be bought brand new.
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Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.
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Like Bob said, this'll do.
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Ok just ordered one. Got one already unlocked but I won't need that as it seems dslstats is windows only.
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Are there any specifics for getting this bad boy up and running or is it plug and play?
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Plug and play - as long as you're happy setting up a PPPOE connection on the airport. Important thing to remember is the username: [email protected]
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I am happy with sorting the airport out, I meant connection of the modem to the infinity.
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That should be all you need.
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Connect the power, let it fully boot and then connect the DSL port to the Filter/Face plate.
Connect LAN 1 to your Airport and away you go ...
Once you are happy with it running, connect LAN2 to a LAN port on the Airport and you can then access the stats directly.
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I don't quite follow your last para
I would assume only one connection between the 612 and the APE.
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It's to be able to see the stats from the modem on your network. You don't need dslstats to analyse them, you can look at them raw.
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How is this achieved? Would it be through the airport app on the Mac?
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No, telnet on a PC
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Hmmm I don't have a of.
But out of interest why would it require a second lan cable, why can't it be done using the first?
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one is bridged to the WAN (internet)
the other talks to the modem itself.
you should find an equivalent to telnet on non pc equipment
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A Mac is a OF
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You can get basic stats from the modem GUI
Attainable rate (kbit/s) 56420 15303
SNR margin (dB) 5.9 6.1
Line attenuation (dB) 19.4 0
Output power (dBmV) 13.5 7.4
Line rate (kbit/s) 57191 15281 0 0
CRC errors 0 0 0 0
FEC errors 57181 82 0 0
HEC errors 25419 0 0 0
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
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Yeah sorry, iPhone autocorrect. I meant I do not have a PC 
Ok well when it arrives, no doubt I will return for instructions on telnet etc 
Thanks for all the help so far.
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I access the modem using a browser. and get the basic stats directly.
Telnet is only needed to get the very detailed information such as bin loading, or attenuation/SNR for individual tones
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In reality, all I want is a decent solid modem and then use the APE for the internal network.
My hope is that I get a more stable connection with a higher sync, although I am not holding my breath.
I really do not like the HH5 anyway.
One final question, as the APE will be providing the DHCP, how will I know the IP address to browse into the modems web interface?
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There is a default IP address ... and I cannot remember it. When I have an HG612 installed it has a totally different IP address - permanently assigned and in one of the more unusual ranges.
Someone should be able to tell you.
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how will I know the IP address
The default for a hg612 is 192.168.1.1.
You can change this if required after unlocking to meet your networks requirements.
edit: I see it is unlocked already....set your mac IP in the range 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.250 connect a lan cable to lan2 on the hg612....login to the modem (admin, admin)...Change LAN settings to meet your requirements.
Ian
Edited by ian007jen (Fri 06-Feb-15 11:06:31)
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how will I know the IP address
The default for a hg612 is 192.168.1.1.
You can change this if required after unlocking to meet your networks requirements.
edit: I see it is unlocked already....set your mac IP in the range 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.250 connect a lan cable to lan2 on the hg612....login to the modem (admin, admin)...Change LAN settings to meet your requirements.
Ian
Why does he need to set his Mac IP address - that will already be assigned by the network DHCP and should be in te appropriate range.
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This is where I may get confused.
Will the APE not assign an IP address to the modem?
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Ignore any connection to LAN2 and the modem GUI to start with.
Just connect the Modem DSL port to the phone line and LAN1 to the WAN interface on your APE. Make sure the APE has the logon details and DHCP enabled.
That is all you need to get the set-up working. You can then use the connection as usual.
ONCE YOU ARE WORKING AND HAPPY WITH IT.
Connect another Ethernet cable from LAN2 to a LAN port on the APE, leaving the Mac connected as usual.
Open a browser, and enter the address 192.168.1.1 - you should get a Huawei login screen, use admin for both Username and password. That will take you to a screen with various options and you can then find one with the basic connection stats - I don't have mine connected so cannot tell you which, again someone should be able to guide you.
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WAN >> xDSL
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
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Apple refer to it as WAN ... http://images.appleinsider.com/airport-extreme-80211...
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No, because it is connected to your WAN port not a LAN port. There is no relationship between the default internal IP address of the HG612 and your LAN. If your LAN was 192.168.0.nnn it would still work from the modem aspect.
For the LAN connection from LAN2 to your AEP to see the stats and alter settings if desired then the two subnets do need to be the same, and that is why you have been told to exclude 192.168.1.1 from the DHCP range the AEP can allocate.
If your AEP subnet is not 192.168.1.nnn then we can advise on what to change so you can access LAN2 for the stats. (As shown in my earlier post).
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
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Ok, all good with that, other than:
"Make sure the APE has the logon details"
What logon details?
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Plug and play - as long as you're happy setting up a PPPOE connection on the airport. Important thing to remember is the username: [email protected]
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http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/bt/t/4387739-swap-h...
Also, the password is empty if the AEP allows that, or anything you like if it demands something. BT broadband login recognises you from the line details, not the username + password.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
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You should have the answer by now!
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Ok having a few problems here.
Got the new HG612 and am obviously doing something wrong.
612 is plugged into the wall socket, APE is plugged into LAN1 with all internal devices connected to APE via either wireless or wired.
Set APE for PPPoE and set router mode to DHCP and NAT and am getting:
No DNS Servers
No PPPoE server
No Internet Connection
The 612 appears connected to the internet, according to the DSL light.
Could someone please explain the exact steps I need to do in order to get this working?
Unfortunately due to this messing about, my connection has dropped from 25 to 23 
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Does everything work if you plug the modem into the HH5 and use the HH5 instead of the APE ?
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I haven't tried. I just don't think the APE has been configured right.
There is no DNS address and its DHCP is in the 10.x.x.x range.
Therefore I can't even log into the 612.
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Did you set the HG612 back to bridge mode? Easiest is to do a factory reset, which retains the hacked version.
You have definitely connected HG612 LAN 1 to APE WAN port, not a LAN port? With an Ethernet cable?
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
Edited by RobertoS (Mon 09-Feb-15 22:35:34)
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With a 10.x.x.x DHCP range you should be fine - the HG612 should use an appropriate address. Try 10.0.0.1, ...138, ...254
As suggested do a factory reset of the HG612 and try again.
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I can't get into the 612 but why would it have bridge mode since it is only a modem, not a router?
And yes to the other connections.
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Yup, done a reset, done everything in batboys links and still nothing.
Can I connect my Mac directly to the 612 and have a look at configuation that way?
How will my Mac get an IP address since it wont be aonnected to a router?
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As i mentioned in an earlier post
how will I know the IP address
The default for a hg612 is 192.168.1.1.
You can change this if required after unlocking to meet your networks requirements.
edit: I see it is unlocked already....set your mac IP in the range 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.250 connect a lan cable to lan2 on the hg612....login to the modem (admin, admin)...Change LAN settings to meet your requirements.
Ian
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Ok will give that a try tonight.
I assume LAN2 will just give me access to the web interface?
Ultimately I need to test to make sure the thing is working so, would I then connect to LAN1 to see if it has access to the net?
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Ultimately I need to test to make sure the thing is working so, would I then connect to LAN1 to see if it has access to the net? That's why I suggested connecting the modem to the HH5.
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Can I not just connect it to my Mac?
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When you do finally access the HG612 you will need to change the default address. From one of your earlier posts you suggest that the APE uses the 10.x.x.x range so you will need to change the default to something such as 10.0.0.216
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Ok I am now really confused:
- Why can I not change the DHCP range on the APE to be in the 192.x range?
- Can I connect my Mac directly to the 612?
- Why do I have to connect to LAN2 on the 612 to access the web interface?
- Is it the APE or 612 which is the DHCP server?
- Why am I being told there is no PPPoE server available?
- Anyone want to by an HG612?
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I can't get into the 612 but why would it have bridge mode since it is only a modem, not a router? It's a VDSL2modem/router in bridge mode. Unless once into it someone sets it to modem/router mode.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
Edited by RobertoS (Tue 10-Feb-15 11:58:31)
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Gahhhh I thought I was buying a dedicated modem!
So how is this any different to the HH5?
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Hi NaNook,
I have a HH5 connected from the red port on the back via an ethernet cable to the HG612 on port 1. I think the HH5 is a pretty decent router for the consumer world.
The HH5 works out of the box with no special config which is why Batboy is asking you to try the HH5 instead of the APE. If your network can see the internet connected through the HH5 then it means that the HG612 is working correctly and that it's the config on the Apple APE that's the issue...
So how is this any different to the HH5?
When you change the configuration on the HH5 it very often reboots the device which means that the FTTC line is also rebooted. Too many FTTC reboots and it can make your line go slower and slower. With the HG612 it takes care of the FTTC and you can reboot the HH5 (or the APE) as many times as you want with very little effect on the FTTC connection.
Plusnet unlimited FTTC
Edited by timl (Tue 10-Feb-15 12:53:56)
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You can change the APE if you want however, my personal preference would be to leave it as is.
With the 612 not connected to the line, set your PC?MAC to a fixed IP address of 192.168.1.100 and then connect direct to the 612 (LAN2). In a browser go to 192.168.1.1 and you should see a login page - admin admin When you have accessed the interface you should be able to see the settings.
Click on BASIC, then LAN. At the top is a section LAN HOST Settings. Assuming your normal LAN uses 10.0.1.x then set the IP address to 10.0.1.216 - 216 because it is 612 reversed and the SUBMIT. And check that DHCP is NOT selected
Change your PC/MAC IP address to 10.0.1.100 and then use the browser to access 10.0.1.216 - you should get through to the modem again.
The 612 has two interfaces - one where it is acting as a modem and that is on LAN 1. LAN 2 is a separate interface that allows yopu access in to tweak the modem or look at the stats.
Disconnect and set your PC back to automatically get an IP address.
The APE is the DHCP server.
Now, without the line connected. 612- LAN1 >> APE-WAN; APE-LAN1 >> PC/MAC; 612-LAN2 >> APE-LANx
From the browser; 10.0.1.216 and you will have access to the 612s modem management interface.
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Edited by MHC (Tue 10-Feb-15 14:39:01)
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Ok, very comprehensive and clear, even for a numpty like me
I will have a go over the next few days and let you know how it goes.
Just hope it doesn't naff my sync any more than it has already
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YTou can do all of that with it fully disconnected.
For te time being leave the HH5 connected to te line and use that as your router and modem. Sort the 612 and APE offline and once you are happy with what you can see connect it up to try and resolve te PPPoE issue.
Also, when disconnecting, it is best to power off the HH5 or modem. Residual power allows the modem to send a "dying breath" message to the DSLAM which should note it has been turned off and not a loss of sync that would occur when just disconnecting the phone line.
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