Which Router for highest speed with BT ADSL2+ Internet?

There is currently no fibre in my area because the phone lines are so bad. Openreach has informed me that FTTP is due in around 4 months so probably the first quarter of 2022.

I moved to BT ADSL2+ in August from Sky. Openreach damaged my line and left me with a none working line or broadband. It took them a couple of days to fix it and they switched my line. This gave me a better attenuation of initially 45.0 but today 43.5 down/27.0 up previously 53/27 not 100% sure it was 27 but I believe it was the same even with a worse line. The current SNR Margin is 22.0 up which is where all my upload speed is disappearing to / 5.9. On Be Broadband I was using a 3 dB profile.

The BT Smart Hub 2 gave me pretty poor connection speeds of around 5.5Mbit/s 468Kbit/s and those speeds are well down on what I had with Sky with an inferior phone line....6.5 to 7 Mbit/s and 798 Kbit/s. Sky took my connection from Be Broadband where I had a good 7 Mbit/s 1310 Kbit/s with my previous phone line.

Would any other router work better with the DSLAM chipset that BT uses which I believe is made by TI. I have tried my speedtouch router which worked very well with Sky but did not improve my speed on BT broadband. The info on the TI chipset I got from the speedtouch router and DMT tool.

Can anyone recommend a cheap/used router? I do not need Wifi, I disable it and use ethernet. I do need to be able to adjust the SNR to adjust my speed and being able to disconnect the router from the internet to get a new IP address using my PC which I can do with the Speedtouch would be helpful. Support for VPN's and USB ports might be useful although not essential.

Would any other router improve my speeds? Something which is known to work very well with BT internet and provide the best and most stable connections? Something that I might find used on eBay?

We need to see the actual stats please, as it isn't always clear which direction you are referring to. The only thing I'm clear on is that you seem to be worried by lower attenuation.

Attenuation is, in non-scientific terms, (to stop some pedants that like to have a go at me), the rate of loss of speed due to the length and quality of the line between you and the exchange. The lower the better, as it means you are getting a stronger signal.

As for Be Broadband, that was probably the best ever ADSL2+ supplier. I was on O2 which used that network.

Upload sync speed also comes in three flavours, IIRC up to 448kbps, up to 872kbps, and (unlimited) up to about 1.2Mbps. Be Broadband gave the third. BT AIUI defaults to 448kbps. You might be able to get 872kbps on request.

Until recent FTTP upgrade, I was using a 8800nl r2 router on TT Adsl2+. It has the ability to adjust the SNR, increased my speed by 2Mb from 10 to 12
However, as bob has said, information from router would be useful as aid to check your line.
The router can also be used for basic FTTP.
If you are interested, you can have for cost of P and P

Edited by flippery (Wed 29-Sep-21 14:51:35)

Billion are the best router no doubt about that!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Billion-8800NL-R2-Wireless-...

A good, used Billion router would certainly be a good choice. It might be interesting to force ADSL2 modulation (rather than sync with ADSL2+) with a Billion and see if there is a reduction in the upstream SNR margin and increased upstream sync rate. However you may see a slight reduction in the downstream sync rate even with a SNR margin of 6dB. If there is success with the upstream SNR margin after a resync you could try changing the downstream SNR margin to 3dB and some increased downstream speed should be seen and hopefully the ADSL2 line will be stable.

Good luck.

Yes, it's I agree it's worth your pointing out that at lowish ADL2+ speeds ADSL2 can be faster and more stable.

In reply to a post by Mr_Wonderful:

I moved to BT ADSL2+ in August from Sky. Openreach damaged my line and left me with a none working line or broadband. It took them a couple of days to fix it and they switched my line. This gave me a better attenuation of initially 45.0 but today 43.5 down/27.0 up previously 53/27 not 100% sure it was 27 but I believe it was the same even with a worse line. The current SNR Margin is 22.0 up which is where all my upload speed is disappearing to / 5.9. On Be Broadband I was using a 3 dB profile.

My Sig does show the upload attenuation which was around 27 to 27.5 dB. The figures in my Sig are for ADSL2 and not ADSL2+ which showed a higher attenuation of around 53 dB and 52 many years back while with another ISP.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

We need to see the actual stats please, as it isn't always clear which direction you are referring to. The only thing I'm clear on is that you seem to be worried by lower attenuation.

I am not worried about the lower attenuation. When I first saw it, Openreach was outside my home waiting for me to check it out. The connection speed was quite a lot lower than I had with Sky which was a concern but the lower attenuation made me think that higher speeds should be possible. It has not turned out that way unfortunately. With such low speeds, every little helps. Streaming anything is extremely borderline ATM and was not perfect at 7Mbit/s.

I must point out that the figures in my Sig are for ADSL2 and not for ADSL2+ like I am forced to use ATM. On Be* and ADSL2 always worked better for me.

Product code:Smart Hub 2
Serial number: <REMOVED>
Firmware version:v0.27.06.04290-BT
Firmware updated:Fri Aug 13 15:38:43 2021
Board version:R01
GUI version:1.74 12_11_2020
DSL uptime:0 days,00 Hours05 Mins32 Secs
Data rate:448 Kbps / 5.696 Mbps
Maximum data rate:1.164 Mbps / 6.272 Mbps
Full Fibre (FTTP) Mode:Off
Noise margin:22.0 / 6.4
Line attenuation:27.0 / 44.0
Signal attenuation:0.0 / 44.0
VPI/VCI:0/38
Modulation:G.992.1(DMT)
Latency type:Interleaved
Upstream error control:Off
Downstream error control:Off
Data sent / received:0.1 MB Uploaded / 0.1 MB Downloaded
Broadband username: <REMOVED as a precaution>
BT Wi-fi:Activated
2.4 GHz wireless network name: <REMOVED>
2.4 GHz wireless channel:Smart (Channel1)
5 GHz wireless network name: <REMOVED>
5 GHz wireless channel:Smart (Channel36)
Wireless security:WPA2 (Recommended)
Wireless mode:Mode 1
Firewall:On
MAC address: <REMOVED>
Software variant:-
Boot loader: 0.1.7-BT (Thu Nov 30 09:45:22 2017)

BT Wi-fi:Activated

Why is this activated when Wifi is disabled in Smart Hub Manager? I want this as disabled as it can possibly be. I do not trust wireless because of the dangers involved with EMF. I do not use any wireless gear including mobile phones.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

Attenuation is, in non-scientific terms, (to stop some pedants that like to have a go at me), the rate of loss of speed due to the length and quality of the line between you and the exchange. The lower the better, as it means you are getting a stronger signal.

Yes, I think you might of misunderstood my previous message. I am aware that lower attenuation is better and usually provides higher connection speeds. Unfortunately it does not seem to translate perfectly when different equipment and chipsets are involved.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

As for Be Broadband, that was probably the best ever ADSL2+ supplier. I was on O2 which used that network.

I thought that O2 kept certain customers, people who had contracts which suited them but they sold the rest to Sky.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

Upload sync speed also comes in three flavours, IIRC up to 448kbps, up to 872kbps, and (unlimited) up to about 1.2Mbps. Be Broadband gave the third. BT AIUI defaults to 448kbps. You might be able to get 872kbps on request.

That is Interesting. With Sky for most of my time with them I had an upload connection speed of 606 kbps and after some trouble with my line where my down speed dropped to 1.5 Mbitps my upload jumped to 798 kbps just B4 I switched to BT. Those would be inside the second band but that still had a fairly high SNR Margin of around 10 to 12.

From your above posted stats:

Data rate:448 Kbps / 5.696 Mbps
Maximum data rate:1.164 Mbps / 6.272 Mbps
Modulation:G.992.1(DMT)

Note the modulation!!!

In reply to a post by 4M2:

Note the modulation!!!

Well spotted (For others, see this link)

For the OP, the "BT WiFi: Activated" is not controlled in the Hub manager, but in your BT account as described.

Superb router for the money that never misses a beat, so good I havn't unsealed my two Fritziboxes. Put another in our Scottish property to replace a BT hub, that have crippled straight line Wi-Fi, their latest wheeze to sell their 'Whole home' disks!

Edited by professor973 (Wed 29-Sep-21 18:45:39)

I still got old Billion 8800nl but given to my parents for their FTTC 40/10 rock solid. They are good enough for 40/10 wifi 2.4GHz as well.

Edited by adslmax (Wed 29-Sep-21 18:50:04)

The OP initially mentioned "The BT Smart Hub 2 gave me pretty poor connection speeds of around 5.5Mbit/s 468Kbit/s" - might have been a typo and perhaps should have been 448 on the upstream?

Ah I did not notice it. Well spotted by you. I could not remember which applied to ADSL, ADSL2 & ADSL2+.
G.992.1 = ADSL
G.992.3 = ADSL2
G.992.5 = ADSL2+

Why would it be stuck at ADSL?

There is a post on the BT forum from back in 2015 where someone had the same problem. I am just reading it now.

I spoke to a woman at BT last night and after lots of tests she was happy with what I have. She did call me back once and later went away to do some more checking and probably asking someone who knew more and said that she would call me back again but did not.

I have a little more info now to mention to BT and ask them to fix it.

Edited by Mr_Wonderful (Wed 29-Sep-21 19:31:19)

ADSL upload is 448Kbps
ADSL2 upload is 1048Kbps
ADSL2+ upload is 1279Kbps

I don't know what BT retail support can do - probably best to get a Billion router and see if it, by default, automatically syncs with ADSL2+ modulation...

In the XDSL settings of speedtouch there should be an option to select individual such as G992.1 G992.3 G 992.5 Or ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+ Rather than multi. Just select the one of last G992.3 or ADSL2 and reboot.

I have just been trying the speedtouch 546. It is not allowing any other modulation other than ADSL. I am using DMT tool to specify what I want but it is not syncing with anything but ADSL.

I have set DMT tool to ADSL2+ but it will not do it. Lowering the SNRM to 4.0 and it has synced at 6944 Kbps (45.0 dB atten)/ 448 Kbps (26.0 dB atten & 22.0 dB SNRM). The Smart Hub 2 did get to 69xx yesterday without adjusting the margin

I have just tried saving the defaults with DMT tool and the router rebooted but it is still synced with only ADSL.

40/10 that will stream several HD streams is more than fast enough for 90% of the population, despite the obcession for rediculous high priced high speeds for everyday family use. I assume you handle Zen backhaul Lol

Edited by professor973 (Wed 29-Sep-21 21:05:49)

That would be exceptional performance for the new deliberately Wi-Fi crippled Hub. Ours would not hold a clear straight line connection across a large room. Well documented on the web and the latest wheeze to sell Whole home disks!

I've done this with a 585v7 https://community.plus.net/t5/Library/Forcing-adsl-M... If you can not source a good used Billion, that you might use for a few months until FTTP is available, a cheap, working, used Thomson router off ebay could also be useful...

Looks like stuck at BTend.
https://community.bt.com
Others have had success with this here. Having failed on phone

https://community.bt.com/t5/Archive-Staging/Upload-S...

Above is link to a posting that updated 448 to higher level

Edited by flippery (Thu 30-Sep-21 14:47:47)

You can't set your router to a higher protocol than your ISP has set. You can only set it to the same as or lower. (You might make the setting in the router but it will always be forced to train down to at most the ISP's setting).

The implication is BT have you set to ADSL.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

You can't set your router to a higher protocol than your ISP has set. You can only set it to the same as or lower. (You might make the setting in the router but it will always be forced to train down to at most the ISP's setting).

The implication is BT have you set to ADSL.

+1
Reason I asked OP to try router forcing to see if BT had set.

Yep, I know you know, but not sure the OP does .

In reply to a post by flippery:

https://community.bt.com/t5/Archive-Staging/Upload-S...

Above is link to a posting that updated 448 to higher level

Possibly they just uncapped the ADSL1 upstream rate from 448Kbps to ~832Kbps.

Edited by 4M2 (Thu 30-Sep-21 16:52:34)

In reply to a post by 4M2:

Possibly they just uncapped the ADSL1 upstream rate from 448Kbps to 8128Kbps.

No they can't. 448Kbps remain the same for upload on ADSL1 (downstream remain the same on 8128Kbps)

He can ask BT to upgraded him to ADSL2+ to get higher sync rate for his downstream (up to 21000Kbps) and upstream up to (max is 1279Kbps)

Edited by adslmax (Thu 30-Sep-21 16:03:08)

Sorry typo on my previous post regarding the uncapped upstream rate - now corrected

Agreed.
As OP is having problems with BT phone support. Listed this as alternative link, top level, to discuss problem and maybe get a result. ie community.bt.com

Yes, from your link, I was thinking BT retail could have upgraded G.992.1(DMT) to "premium" and uncapped the upstream rate if such a thing is possible - it certainly was available with ADSL on a 20CN exchange.

In reply to a post by flippery:

Looks like stuck at BTend.
https://community.bt.com
Others have had success with this here. Having failed on phone

https://community.bt.com/t5/Archive-Staging/Upload-S...

Above is link to a posting that updated 448 to higher level

Yes, it does look like an issue at BT which a number of people have experienced. I have made a topic on the BT community forum to see if someone can fix it for me. Hopefully I will find out tomorrow.

BTW I have tried my Speedtouch 546 router which is IPv4 and I have got a downstream sync of 6946 Kbps with a SNM lowered to 4.5 dB. The Smart Hub 2 is only giving me 5.824 Mbps with a none changeable 6.2 dB SNM. Every little helps at these low speeds.

I am interested in the router that you were offering which hopefully will provide more than the Smart hub 2 can offer. If that offer is still open?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

Possibly they just uncapped the ADSL1 upstream rate from 448Kbps to 8128Kbps.

No they can't. 448Kbps remain the same for upload on ADSL1 (downstream remain the same on 8128Kbps)

He can ask BT to upgraded him to ADSL2+ to get higher sync rate for his downstream (up to 21000Kbps) and upstream up to (max is 1279Kbps)

My connection was meant to be ADSL2+ and not ADSL1. There is no reason for it being ADSL1 abart from another mess up by BT/Openreach. There was already one mess up with this migration. It looks like I got two for one.

If you message me your address. I will post to you. If you find it of use. Just make donation to Macmillan nurses

BT have responded on Community site

Max! Nope.

BT Wholesale offered, (still does?) two levels of ADSL. (It wasn't and isn't called ADSL1 except later on forums). Both capped at 8192kbps downstream, one 448kbps upstream and the other 872kbps upstream. (Usually called ADSL Max by ISPs, hence your username/nick).

LLU did not exist.

Then ADSL2+ came along. All providers including BT with top downstream of 24mbps and 1.2 or 1.3 kbps upstream. Some 1.4kbps.

But!

On LLU if ADSL2+ was not possible on a line, or they/we tweaked down to ADSL, the LLU suppliers provided the full 8mbps (8192kbps) downstream with uncapped upstream.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

BT Wholesale offered, (still does?) two levels of ADSL. (It wasn't and isn't called ADSL1 except later on forums). Both capped at 8192kbps downstream, one 448kbps upstream and the other 872kbps upstream.

Agreed, in 2011 I got these stats for BTw G.992.1 - note the 832Kbps upstream rate and upstream SNR margin:

DSL Type: G.992.1 annex A

Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 832 / 8.064

Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12,0 / 19,5

Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 20,5 / 35,0

SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 9,0 / 12,0

Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / P

Ah! Yes, I have posted 872 a few times, but you are correct with 832kbps. 67% right is enough for an A* these days I think?

Edited by pluralist (Sun 03-Oct-21 13:55:17)

Yes they did on Friday morning. I receive email notifications and I replied to the PM on Friday but it looks like it might be sometime later today/Monday before they respond.

ATM I do not know whether my latest phone line is better or worse that the one that I had. I cannot remember what attenuation my old line had with ADSL1 modulation by comparison because it was extremely rare that I ever used G992.1 modulation, maybe one or two tried in many years.43 to 45 dB attenuation down with ADSL1 modulation now, 49/49.5 dB with ADSL2 and 52/53 dB with ADSL2+ on the old line and I am not sure how 43 to 45 dB would compare.

Go to kitz.co UK. Broadband section There is max speed calculator it will give expected download speeds for different attenuations

Yes I received an email notification about it on Friday and I responded to the PM that I was sent.

On Monday I received a telephone call from BT broadband. He said he was having some trouble changing it to ADSL2+. He told me that he was putting it back onto the line training for 10 days. I noticed my internet disconnect after midnight on Wednesday morning. When I checked the line stats it is now on ADSL2+ (G.992.5) the speed is still not great TBH and lower than it was with my Speedtouch which managed just below 7 Mbps on G.992.1. As you can see, the upload SN Margin is very low despite the low upload speed of only 792 Kbps. Be* broadband managed 1310 Kbps up with a very similar SN margin of around 3dB. The attenuation is different on the Smart Hub 2 to what it was on my speedtouch and Sky router, it shows a line attenuation of 48.0 dB / 24.7 dB and a signal attenuation of 52.1 dB / 0.0. That was close to what it was on my previous phone line, 52.0 @ Be* broadband and 53.0 @Sky, slightly lower now but with a lot lower connection speed so the line does not seem any better, maybe worse. Would I be correct in thinking that the attenuation will increase as the connection speed is increased?

There are no error numbers that I can find which were clearly displayed on my Speedtouch. Those were a bit of a joke they got so high. FEC? errors got enormous. The firmware update did lower the CRC errors to a more acceptable level. That old Speedtouch is only an IPv4 router so not really suitable for todays internet.

ATM with the line training I don't want to disturb it.

Product code:Smart Hub 2
Serial number:<REMOVED>
Firmware version:v0.27.06.04290-BT
Firmware updated:Fri Aug 13 15:38:43 2021
Board version:R01
GUI version:1.74 12_11_2020
DSL uptime:0 days,01 Hours55 Mins11 Secs
Data rate:792 Kbps / 5.595 Mbps
Maximum data rate:1.020 Mbps / 6.008 Mbps
Full Fibre (FTTP) Mode:Off
Noise margin:4.8 / 7.4
Line attenuation:24.7 / 48.0
Signal attenuation:0.0 / 52.1
VPI/VCI:0/38
Modulation:G.992.5(ADSL2+)
Latency type:Fast
Upstream error control:Off
Downstream error control:Off
Data sent / received:1.6 MB Uploaded / 7.9 MB Downloaded
Broadband username: <REMOVED>
BT Wi-fi:Activated
2.4 GHz wireless network name:BT-C8CK5Q
2.4 GHz wireless channel:Smart (Channel1)
5 GHz wireless network name:BT-C8CK5Q
5 GHz wireless channel:Smart (Channel36)
Wireless security:WPA2 (Recommended)
Wireless mode:Mode 1
Firewall:On
MAC address:<REMOVED>
Software variant:-
Boot loader: 0.1.7-BT (Thu Nov 30 09:45:22 2017)

There are others here more knowledgeable .The higher attenuation is due to the increased frequency range in adsl2+. Whether this will reduce data throughput others will know, believe not.
Your attenuation will not change but snr could lower.
What is your data throughput using downloads in tools section here?

Not a long term silution, but try to get hold of a 2-wire 2700-HGV and run that for a few days. It has a lot of useful information within teh GUI and will help you see what you line is capable of and how it is performing.

From what I can see, you are performing a little worse than ideal - 7.4dB SNR/margin whereas a 6dB target will give a fraction more but during te day that margin will change possibly with a 2dB swing.

Let it all stabilise and see if te SNR drops ultimately to 3dB which will give a noticable increase. It may take two or three weeks before it does.

In reply to a post by Mr_Wonderful:

ATM with the line training I don't want to disturb it.

Yes its a good idea to leave it alone. I would be surprised if "Latency type:Fast" doesn't change to "Latency type:Interleaved" at some point, noted on the stats, after a resync...

In reply to a post by MHC:

Not a long term silution, but try to get hold of a 2-wire 2700-HGV and run that for a few days. It has a lot of useful information within teh GUI and will help you see what you line is capable of and how it is performing.

From what I can see, you are performing a little worse than ideal - 7.4dB SNR/margin whereas a 6dB target will give a fraction more but during te day that margin will change possibly with a 2dB swing.

Let it all stabilise and see if te SNR drops ultimately to 3dB which will give a noticable increase. It may take two or three weeks before it does.

+1 for the 2700-HGV (was it not supplied as a BT Business Hub at one stage)? Settled down to faster speeds than any other router I tried on ADSL.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

+1 for the 2700-HGV (was it not supplied as a BT Business Hub at one stage)? Settled down to faster speeds than any other router I tried on ADSL.

Yes, they were the BT Business Hubs. I recently sent about 5 back to BT for recycling!

I have a scren shot taken where it had sync'd at 3dB then as noise changed over the day in kept sync at 0db and just below.

The DLM should still be active on my connection, it began earlier this week.
It re-synced during the early hours and the connection speeds have gone up a little bit (40 Kbps/540 Kbps) so it looks like the DLM is testing the line/connection to obtain the best speeds. The Signal attenuation is down slightly but probably due to normal variation.
Here are the latest from the router stats:

Product code:Smart Hub 2
Serial number:<REMOVED>
Firmware version:v0.27.06.04290-BT
Firmware updated:Fri Aug 13 15:38:43 2021
Board version:R01
GUI version:1.74 12_11_2020
DSL uptime:0 days,08 Hours17 Mins56 Secs
Data rate:832 Kbps / 6.135 Mbps
Maximum data rate:1.064 Mbps / 6.540 Mbps
Full Fibre (FTTP) Mode:Off
Noise margin:5.5 / 4.3
Line attenuation:24.7 / 48.0
Signal attenuation:0.0 / 51.8
VPI/VCI:0/38
Modulation:G.992.5(ADSL2+)
Latency type:Fast
Upstream error control:Off
Downstream error control:Off
Data sent / received:3.3 MB Uploaded / 18.6 MB Downloaded
Broadband username:<REMOVED>
BT Wi-fi:
2.4 GHz wireless network name:BT-C8CK5Q all disabled
2.4 GHz wireless channel:Smart (Channel1)
5 GHz wireless network name:BT-C8CK5Q
5 GHz wireless channel:Smart (Channel36)
Wireless security:WPA2 (Recommended)
Wireless mode:Mode 1
Firewall:On
MAC address:<REMOVED>
Software variant:-
Boot loader: 0.1.7-BT (Thu Nov 30 09:45:22 2017)

Incidentally, your sig is confusing . Sky?

I switched from Sky to BT in August and I have not updated my Sig. With everything so up in the air ATM everything apart from the ISP uncertain.

lol by the time this has been sorted out, ultra fast FTTP should be available as I was informed by Openreach on 15th July. The email claims that it would be available in 3 to 6 months. With Christmas & New Year so close that could mean early next year.

With your SNR figures there is not going to be much increase in upload download. The difference in speed is not going to any real difference in line throughput. You are still on fast line clean..
To be honest I would be happy with the figures you have, considering distance from exchange.
I did find that when Fibre was activated at exchange my maximum download sync reduced on ADSL.
After training you could try ADSL2 sync.
At least BT support has come good.

I support the view that ADSL2 is likely to be the best of the three options.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

I support the view that ADSL2 is likely to be the best of the three options.

On my previous connections (ISPs) ADSL2 was more stable when the SNM was lowered on my router but that is not possible with the BT router. ATM nothing can be done while the training is on going. I forget whether it is for 10 or 14 days. It was activated on Monday.

The training will normally last 10 days . BT , I believe, only support their own. Equipment . Your speed touch may support adsl2 settings,
The sky setup was from their own llu box in exchange and maybe different than you get on BT line
Bob, has more detailed knowledge and will probably reply

The training will normally last 10 days .

A popular misunderstanding. The ‘training’ is a constant thing, remote monitoring is always looking at how stable the connection is, how many errors, loss of sync, etc, etc.

Thanks
l always learn something from your posts .

A still valid page, (like many on that site), but this page only refers to BT Wholesale-based ISPs. LLU providers use their own line management systems, completely independent of the BTW DLM.

On Openreach (GEA) FTTC the day to day line management is also basically nothing to do with any provider. Openreach give them three stability options at the start of any new connection, (alterable), and the main DLM is Openreach's.

Having said that, Openreach stipulate that all ISPs on the system make sure their internal servers/routers to not deliver data to the DSLAMs in the cabinets faster than the current connection speed. (For fairly obvious reasons).

The BT Wholesale IP Profile is still operative on circuits they control on FTTC, in order to achieve that. The "LLU" providers again use their own mechanisms to ensure it. (There is no such thing as LLU on FTTC. This page explains LLU. Clearly impossible in the tiny FTTC cabinets where there is only room for the Openreach DSLAMs).

Edited by pluralist (Sun 10-Oct-21 10:41:27)

Interesting. Thanks