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Hi
I'm currently with BT infinity on 33 download 6.5 upload (this is my max even on 80/20 due to being 900-1000m from the cabinet but only 700m from the exchange...which doesnt make sense why im connected to the cabinet...but anyway.
I'm thinking about changing ISP, the connection will be used 90% for gaming so im just really interested in trying to find out who out of SKY, BT and PLUSNET, route their traffic better through their network, giving lower ping times. My ping times on BT to BBC range from 22-28ms which is ok, but im just looking for a change away from BT if i can possibly get a better service in terms of ping times and jitter etc for the same or less £££.
On a side note, i have heard that the Plusnet router is pretty bad so any recommendations on a good 3rd party router, not looking to spend any more than £60 on it, wireless quality is of no importance, must have at least 1GigE port and have the option to place a device in a DMZ. (Anyone with any experience of the homehub 5 as this is only £45 and also replaces the need for 2 boxes)
Anyway, all help is appreciated.
Thanks.
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You may find it depends on which games. The routes to different game servers are likely to act differently (depending on peering arrangements) so one ISP may be good for one game but not so good for another.
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The thing is, what i've noticed with BT from trace routes is even when connecting to servers in london (i also live in london) they route it through their network from london up to Sheffield and back to london again. It seems on the BT forums that this is an issue that alot of people have noticed with BTs silly routing, i just wanted to know if all ISPs follow the same routes or if they vary in the way they manage and direct their traffic
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Look at a traceroute and you will probably find the majority of that time is spent in the VDSL2 segment, i.e. is a factor of the level of interleaving on the connection and won't change much better providers.
Chasing the lowest ping is reasonable, but better to have a 100% stable ping for gaming.
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You'll need to mention your exchange.
A lot of the difference in latency comes from the way in which you are routed through the BT core network; places close to London can have lower latencies than ones further away.
This is mine, based on a Plusnet line running at 80/20 without FEC/interleaving. I'm currently on PN gateway ptn-ag02, into Telehouse North:
$ ping www.bbc.co.uk
Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.246.93] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=56
Ping statistics for 212.58.246.93:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 14ms, Maximum = 15ms, Average = 14ms
My TBB BQM usually shows 12-13ms. My cabinet/exchange rarely shows any sign of congestion whatsoever.
Can't comment about gaming though.
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im on the Cricklewood exchange (North West London)
Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.246.92] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.246.92: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=51
Reply from 212.58.246.92: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=51
Reply from 212.58.246.92: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=51
Reply from 212.58.246.92: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=51
Ping statistics for 212.58.246.92:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 26ms, Maximum = 27ms, Average = 26ms
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They won't but core network transit like this should have minimal effect on the latency, unless it is very wobbly or going through an awful lot of switches.
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Results on most ISPs will vary depending on whereabouts you are in the country, due to the backhaul routing, but give us a couple of sites to ping and I'll do one, and I'm sure others will as well 
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Try a traceroute this can reveal where time is spent e.g.
tracert www.bbc.net.uk
Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.244.69]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms RT-N66U [192.168.0.1]
2 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms telehouse-gw4-lo1.idnet.net [212.69.63.98]
3 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 212.69.63.78
4 8 ms 7 ms 10 ms rt-lonap-a.thdo.bbc.co.uk [5.57.80.90]
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms ae0.er01.telhc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.109]
8 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms 132.185.255.149
9 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms bbc-vip114.telhc.bbc.co.uk [212.58.244.69]
Trace complete.
Shows its the first hop past router where I lose my time.
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1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms BTHomeHub.home [192.168.1.254]
2 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms 217.32.145.239
3 14 ms 13 ms 14 ms 217.32.146.30
4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms host109-159-244-154.range109-159.btcentralplus.com [109.159.244.154]
5 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 213.120.180.173
6 20 ms 18 ms 18 ms 217.41.169.107
7 18 ms 17 ms 20 ms acc1-xe-5-2-2.sf.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.251.119]
8 26 ms 22 ms 25 ms core1-te0-5-0-7.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.251.21]
9 25 ms 23 ms 57 ms peer2-xe4-1-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.252.25]
10 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 194.74.65.42
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms ae0.er01.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.93]
13 25 ms 25 ms 27 ms 132.185.255.165
14 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms bbc-vip013.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [212.58.246.92]
Trace complete.
Theres a traceroute if that shows up anything, im clued up to a certain extent but passed that im clueless lol
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Okay so there is potential to shave 8ms off if you switch ISP assuming you are gaming on the BBC network
There will be different routes out of BT based on the levels of traffic different hosts need, so next step is identify your favourite game servers.
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well, im a multi gamer i player amature competitive for money in tournaments but not on the same games, i play on new games for 5-10months until a new competitive games comes out so the servers id be connecting to would be changing every 5-10 months. Just looking for a better routed network. Im guessing (haven't researched it at all) that Plusnet would have a lower customer base than BT infinity, would this make any difference at all (im not entirely sure as i know they all connect via the same cabinet and equipment)
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All FTTC ISPs except Sky and TalkTalk rent their backhaul capacity from BT Wholesale, and they rent the capacity they feel they need for their number of customers. So no, the number of customers itself is irrelevant to performance.
Between you and the exchange it is Openreach with them all. BTW, Sky and TalkTalk can specify higher stability settings than standard, which I expect would increase latency, but I don't think they do so normally.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Edited by RobertoS (Mon 14-Apr-14 16:52:34)
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In this case it is the warning that current and past performance is no guarantee of future performance.
If it was me, making money from gaming, then I'd elect for two connections, one LLU and one on BT Wholesale so that I can pick and choose.
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im interleaved with BT, so if i went with sky seeing as they can change stability settings (im guessing interleaved is already the higher stability setting) would they be able to turn interleave off, like fast path? BT say they cannot do this as its automated by DSLM (i think thats what its called)
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No. The interleaving on FTTC is the Openreach DLM controlling the link between you and the cabinet. It is automatic and on many lines varies between off and on. Many of us have seen ours switch back and forth.
When it's on it can vary in depth at any time.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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ok well if no real difference should occur i may as well just go for the cheapest option from the 3 which i believe is plusnet plus they have UK customer support (unlike BT).
Thanks for the help, Any recommendations of a budget (no more than £60) router / Modem/router.
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Forgive me, but for a pro gamer what do you spend on gaming hardware?
Enough people have upgraded to the better routers that are in the £100 type bracket to see they make a difference
On router recommendation, PlusNet use the white openreach modem so a good router would be http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007W16SMO/ref=as...
Not cheap at £125, but the next wave of better routers is even more expensive. If you look at combined modem/routers for VDSL2 then similar price bracket.
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OK, ill have a look around and think about upping the budget for the router,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-DSL-N66U-Wireless-Modem...
Heard anything about this, it replaces the open reach modem aswel
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Don't you like the Home Hub, or is it one that can't be used elsewhere? I thought most could.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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ive currently got a HH3, i have read that the current HH5 can be used on other ISPs however i haven't seen anywhere of the HH3 being used, ill have a look. If not, i can just order the HH5 from BT for £45 but thats where my budget 3rd party router arose, if i can get a better 3rd party router for £60 ish id rather that than buy a new HH5 for £45. If i can use the HH3 however, ill just most likely stick with this
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There was reports initially of firmware issues on the VDSL side of things, believe they got fixed.
Some swear by the Home Hub 5 and others swear at it.
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Well im on Sky FTTC 80/20 and is 6:30pm and the traceroutes look good, Maybe becouse Sky networks gos up to Manchester?
Half Life 2 server (From steam)
C:\Users\QuadFrancis>tracert 77.246.174.116
Tracing route to client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.174.116]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SkyRouter [192.168.0.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 9 ms 7 ms 8 ms ip-84-38-37-10.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.10]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms po-7-0-0.bb1.lon2.uk.m247.com [193.27.64.158]
6 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms 77.243.176.246
7 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms v925-crs4202.logo.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.169.141]
8 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.174.116]
Trace complete.
Virgin Media (P2P example like Black Ops 2 if that person was hosting it)
C:\Users\QuadFrancis>tracert 62.31.20.253
Tracing route to XXXX-live22-2-0-XXX.cable.virginm.net [62.31.20.253]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SkyRouter [192.168.0.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 6 ms 8 ms 8 ms ip-84-38-37-12.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.12]
4 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 195.66.237.103
5 16 ms 19 ms 19 ms manc-bb-1c-ae3-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.163.69]
6 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms manc-bb-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.254.42.113]
7 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms manc-bb-1d-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.254.42.118]
8 16 ms 15 ms 15 ms pres-core-2b-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.198]
9 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms live-cmts-22-tenge330.network.virginmedia.net [81.97.115.110]
10 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101
My Broadband PingEdited by francisuk25 (Mon 14-Apr-14 18:41:06)
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Your broadband ping link in your sig doesn't work. Are you on a dynamic IP address that has changed?
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Your broadband ping link in your sig doesn't work. Are you on a dynamic IP address that has changed?
Yes, Sky dont offer me a Static IP 
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101
My Broadband Ping
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wish i had your ping time
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This is my tracert to the same half life server
C:\Users\jason>tracert 77.246.174.116
Tracing route to client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.174.116]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms BTHomeHub.home [192.168.1.254]
2 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms 217.32.145.239
3 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms 217.32.146.46
4 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms host109-159-244-154.range109-159.btcentralplus.com [109.159.244.154]
5 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 213.120.180.173
6 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 217.41.169.107
7 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms acc1-xe-0-3-0.sf.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.251.73]
8 25 ms 24 ms 30 ms core2-te0-13-0-2.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.251.139]
9 32 ms 31 ms 31 ms peer4-te0-1-0-11.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.255.89]
10 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 195.99.125.14
11 37 ms 26 ms 27 ms 77.243.176.246
12 28 ms 28 ms 27 ms v925-crs4202.logo.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.169.141]
13 24 ms 26 ms 26 ms client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.174.116]
Trace complete.
The ping seems to jump up around hop 8
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have you tryed this out of peak hours?
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101
My Broadband Ping |
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not to this server but ive regularly been doing 4x trace routes to bbc.co.uk and google.co.uk in the morning, evening and just after midnight every day for the past 2 weeks and the pings are always near enough the same, off peak shows an improvement of about 6ms, but i still feel i may be suffering from poor routing on BT's end regardless of peak/off peak.
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I think is becouse that link shares with the Wholesale and Business side aswell but i need someone eles to say if they do aswell.
By looking at UKInternet
core1-pos9-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net
http://ukinternetreport.co.uk/?p=d&id=174
core2-te-0-15-0-6.ilford.ukcore.bt.net
http://ukinternetreport.co.uk/?p=d&id=81
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101
My Broadband PingEdited by francisuk25 (Mon 14-Apr-14 19:15:25)
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Also to mention, Sky hasnt been the best for pings the max about a month ago was about 19ms = 28ms so is not been all that low.
My Ping below is now updated.
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101 & Openreach VDSL2 modem
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C:\Users\Bob>tracert 77.246.174.116
Tracing route to client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.174.116]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.254
2 14 ms 15 ms 14 ms lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194]
3 16 ms 14 ms 13 ms link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.156]
4 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.252]
5 30 ms 37 ms 50 ms po-8-0-0.bb1.lon2.uk.m247.com [195.66.224.231]
6 15 ms 21 ms 14 ms 77.243.176.246
7 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms v925-crs4202.logo.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.169.141]
8 16 ms 15 ms 22 ms client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.174.116]
Trace complete.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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i really do think its down to bt's routing, i think im just going to go over to plusnet, from forums and reviews the general view is they are very good. so even if its no improvement at all, then ill still be saving money as its cheaper.
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Did you delete the old ping ? To stop some other person getting a ping every second and wondering what is going on .
The new one looks good .
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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i think im just going to go over to plusnet, from forums and reviews the general view is they are very good. so even if its no improvement at all, then ill still be saving money as its cheaper.
Cheaper isnt always the best but again look at Sky just gos to show, Maybe the exchange im connected to has a big capacity maybe 80Gbps? Also bare in mind that Sky dosnt do Wholesale and Business unless they taken O2 Wholesale too?
Traceroute to Zello, Softlayer USA
C:\Users\Hey>tracert zello.com
Tracing route to zello.com [184.173.146.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SkyRouter [192.168.1.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 13 ms 7 ms 8 ms ip-84-38-37-10.easynet.co.uk [84.38.37.10]
4 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms ae51.edge6.london1.level3.net [212.113.9.53]
5 96 ms 75 ms 76 ms vl-3615-ve-239.csw2.london1.level3.net [4.69.166.90]
6 75 ms 75 ms 75 ms ae-58-223.ebr2.london1.level3.net [4.69.153.137]
7 75 ms 75 ms 75 ms ae-41-41.ebr1.newyork1.level3.net [4.69.137.66]
8 75 ms 76 ms 75 ms ae-71-71.csw2.newyork1.level3.net [4.69.134.70]
9 75 ms 75 ms 75 ms ae-2-70.edge3.newyork1.level3.net [4.69.155.81]
10 75 ms 75 ms 75 ms te2-5.bbr01.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com [4.26.34.22]
11 76 ms 75 ms 75 ms ae7.bbr01.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com [173.192.18.176]
12 122 ms 116 ms 118 ms ae1.bbr01.eq01.wdc02.networklayer.com [173.192.18.156]
13 110 ms 110 ms 110 ms ae0.dar01.sr01.wdc01.networklayer.com [173.192.18.197]
14 117 ms 117 ms 124 ms po1.fcr03.sr02.wdc01.networklayer.com [208.43.118.157]
15 110 ms 118 ms 106 ms 184.173.146.95.static.reverse.softlayer.com [184.173.146.95]
Trace complete.
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101 & Openreach VDSL2 modem
My Broadband PingEdited by francisuk25 (Mon 14-Apr-14 19:34:48)
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yes, cheapers not always best but im just finding it hard to find out who may have the better network for my area and who manages their network routing better between sky and plusnet.
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8 16 ms 15 ms 22 ms client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk [77.246.174.116]
Or rent a 100megabit/sec true business connection and you get results like these (Linux traceroute)
traceroute to 77.246.174.116 (77.246.174.116), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 109.169.41.2 (109.169.41.2) 0.048 ms 0.026 ms 0.010 ms
2 87.117.214.235 (87.117.214.235) 0.360 ms 0.364 ms 0.357 ms
3 610.core1.hex.as20860.net (62.233.127.181) 1.366 ms 1.371 ms 1.364 ms
4 po-1-0-0.bb1.lon1.uk.m247.com (195.66.236.231) 1.328 ms 1.325 ms 1.307 ms
5 po-7-0-0.bb1.lon2.uk.m247.com (193.27.64.158) 1.307 ms 1.311 ms 1.297 ms
6 77.243.176.246 (77.243.176.246) 1.901 ms 1.927 ms 1.998 ms
7 v925-crs4202.logo.serverspace.co.uk (77.246.169.141) 4.032 ms 2.532 ms 2.418 ms
This is a hosted server on a big connection in a data centre, but for £2k a month you can have similar results at home 
James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6, Now 52/9, Sync @ 55 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m approx
15 years broadband (1999 ntl: cablemodem, BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U (merlin) - Modem: HG612 unlocked Typical speedtest
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You are aware that that server is based in the US and probably not on the east coast either, so would be a poor choice as a gaming server due to the Atlantic
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Hi I may be able to help as a pro gamer myself I make my living from it a lot depends on your hardware at home as well as your connection a good solid router is a must and a good network card and up to date drivers.
Personally I use virgin media 150 meg at the moment gives me good pings consistently I got virgin to lay a thicker cable from cabinet to my house which helped and a separate cable for my virgin tv so there totally separate and doesn't affect web
I mainly play fast fps games like cs cod as well as a few real time strats but rts typically doesn't need a good ping just a stable one but As you know fps games need a nice low one I typically get pings of 9-12 playing on uk servers.
Firstly I would check your home equipment.
Go wired
Update network drivers
Update chipset etc on PC (it helps trust me)
Update modem but keep a backup and get a decent router that won't give up on you
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So to me, It looks like BT's routing what is overcrowded, From 6th to 12th look so heavy but then if you look back on week 14 there bit of pocket lost but not as overloaded
http://ukinternetreport.co.uk/?p=d&id=81
core2-te-0-15-0-6.ilford.ukcore.bt.net
C:\Users\QuadFrancis>ping -n 10 109.159.254.61
Pinging 109.159.254.61 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=251
Reply from 109.159.254.61: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=251
Ping statistics for 109.159.254.61:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 7ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 11ms
Half Life 2 Server
C:\Users\QuadFrancis>ping -n 10 77.246.174.116
Pinging 77.246.174.116 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=122
Reply from 77.246.174.116: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=122
Ping statistics for 77.246.174.116:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 6ms, Average = 5ms
Also looks like Andrews and Arnold ISP uses the same routing so dont get with them.
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101 & Openreach VDSL2 modem
My Broadband PingEdited by francisuk25 (Mon 14-Apr-14 20:21:32)
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Your broadband ping link in your sig doesn't work. Are you on a dynamic IP address that has changed?
Yes, Sky dont offer me a Static IP
Have you asked them for a static IP?
I've requested a static IP and hopefully should be getting it within the next couple of weeks.
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Have you asked them for a static IP?
I've requested a static IP and hopefully should be getting it within the next couple of weeks.
I did but becouse im on FTTC they said i cant
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101 & Openreach VDSL2 modem
My Broadband PingEdited by francisuk25 (Tue 15-Apr-14 02:05:40)
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...snip...
3 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms 217.32.146.46
4 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms host109-159-244-154.range109-159.btcentralplus.com [109.159.244.154]
5 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 213.120.180.173
6 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 217.41.169.107
7 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms acc1-xe-0-3-0.sf.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.251.73]
8 25 ms 24 ms 30 ms core2-te0-13-0-2.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.251.139]
...snip...
You don't say where you are in the country (I think) but I used to get a very similar route to that when I was with BT FTTC in south-west London. My first hop was 5ms, but I was getting 20-22ms to bbc.co.uk as I think my traffic was going via Sheffield (the sf.21cn-ipp hop 8) - which yours also seems to have.
If Sheffield isn't too far out of the way for you on the way to London then it probably won't make much difference, but as I was about 9 miles from Telecity and getting routed to Sheffield and back it increased my ping by a factor of 3 to 4 and irritated me from a this-doesn't-make-any-sense POV.
Now with Sky, same house, same VDSL, and it's excellent:
traceroute to bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.20), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 sky.router (192.168.1.254) 0.317 ms 0.434 ms 0.610 ms
2 * * *
3 027808f6.bb.sky.com (2.120.8.246) 6.792 ms 027808f8.bb.sky.com (2.120.8.248) 7.018 ms 12.770 ms
4 ntl-ge2-9.prt0.rbsov.bbc.co.uk (212.58.238.189) 7.488 ms 7.751 ms 7.675 ms
5 * * *
6 * * *
7 ae0.er01.telhc.bbc.co.uk (132.185.254.109) 6.283 ms 6.324 ms 6.082 ms
8 132.185.255.149 (132.185.255.149) 7.123 ms 7.309 ms 7.272 ms
9 fmt-vip71.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.20) <syn,ack> 5.707 ms 5.967 ms 5.927 ms
And:
1 sky.router (192.168.1.254) 0.330 ms 0.328 ms 0.445 ms
2 * * *
3 027808f6.bb.sky.com (2.120.8.246) 10.102 ms 10.425 ms 10.436 ms
4 * * *
5 po-7-0-0.bb1.lon2.uk.m247.com (193.27.64.158) 7.332 ms 7.346 ms 7.347 ms
6 77.243.176.246 (77.243.176.246) 7.712 ms 6.240 ms 6.520 ms
7 v925-crs4202.logo.serverspace.co.uk (77.246.169.141) 6.934 ms 6.759 ms 7.709 ms
8 client-oneprovider.serverspace.co.uk (77.246.174.116) 6.398 ms 6.352 ms 6.202 ms
Edited by deleted (Tue 15-Apr-14 08:40:40)
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im in north west london, and your example of improvements with better routing on their network has just pushed me into changing 100% now, although i may still go with plusnet over sky, done some checks and ofcom tests showed plusnet had higher average speeds and lower average pings, although im aware its all dependent on many factors such as line quality, length, noise etc.
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Plusnet do traffic prioritisation, this means things like gaming, streaming, voip will be given a higher priority over less time sensitive traffic, which has surely got to help.
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Plusnet do traffic prioritisation, this means things like gaming, streaming, voip will be given a higher priority over less time sensitive traffic, which has surely got to help.
It does rely on traffic being recognised in the category though so a brand new game may take a little while to get into the list to receive priority. I believe that if a game is suffering that a call can be raised with Plusnet to get it put in the priority category though.
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Depending on your budget... but have you looked at AAISP?
They have a 'clean' line to the Internet. No throttling.
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budgets not really an issue, i can pay up to £45/month for FTTC + line rental.
AAISP website looks way to unprofessional. I never trust companies who dont make an effort with website appearance
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Don't let their website put you off - they have one of the best reviews. I have used them before and they're excellent.
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im not finding an FTTC product apart from business any where on there site, only ADSL
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It's easy to find... AAISP website -> Broadband -> Home::1 -> Order Now
All of the details are there including FTTC & prices.
Edited by hypertony (Tue 15-Apr-14 12:09:44)
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AAISP is way up at the top - they will spot a problem on your line before you do!
How about this page?
Or click one of the drip-downs on this one and then one of the entries. For instance on 9 April:- Question: Does the Heartbleed bug affect any AAISP servers?
The answer is that no servers are affected that hold customer data or our aa.net.uk SSL certificate secret key. The control and billing pages, email servers and our ticketing system are all running an unaffected version of openssl.
This doesn't mean that we're running out of date software; we still apply backported security patches to those boxes and plan suitable upgrades in the long term.
Unfortunately, however, we had a single test box that was both affected by the bug and held the CAcert signed certificate that we use for our email services. We are therefore going to revoke that certificate and replace the secret key.
The chances of the key having been leaked are tiny, but we think it is worth this measure as a precaution.
Customers who do not have the CAcert root cert installed may see warnings when they connect to our email services. There is more information here: http://aa.net.uk/cacert.html
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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And below Home::1 is the stuff for the original Units-based system, which also has FTTC in the drop-down selector.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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im sorry but it may be easy for you to follow a badly laid out site but if im not mistaken all of their products and prices are based on 50GB usage. I use WAY more than that and would require an unlimited package, now from what ive seen on this, by selecting 200GB usage its quoting me over £150 a month for FTTC lol. Are they serious?
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How can you not see it? It's pretty easy to find your way round on it.
The standard Home::1 package starts with 100GB and can be increased to bigger allowance if needed, either via top up method or choosing a higher package. Pretty easy.
200GB with Home::1 for FTTC is not £150 - you must be on the wrong page, perhaps where you "build" your own package.
As I said... AAISP -> Broadband -> Home::1 then click on 'Order' - everything you need to know is on there.
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On the unit-based tariff you get 1GBpm per unit between 2am and 6am. Possibly adequate.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.
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It's an option for anyone on Fibre Unlimited Pro and the new ADSL2+ Unlimited Pro package and Line Profile Customisation will also be available later on this year.
Maybe it's not available at your exchange yet. It's will be available at my exchange at the end of the month which is why I've have to wait.
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tbh im not looking to spend £60 a month (finally found how to go through all the prices) which is double anything else, i find it hard to see where the benefit in the connection/ping times etc would be, justifying £30 extra a month, if there would actually be an improvement in the first place
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AAISP uses the BT peer link so he would get the same as what hes getting right?
IDNet has there own peering it look like from MrSaffron traceroute http://www.idnet.net/about/about.php
PlusNet
Sky (some exchanges are better then others)
Zen internet has there own peering it looks like, Whenever is busy i dunno.
Public Peering Exchange Points
Exchange Point Name ASN IP Address Mbit/sec
Edge-IX 13037 1000
ENLIX 13037 1000
IXManchester 13037 2000
IXManchester 13037 195.66. 2000
LINX Extreme LAN 13037 195.66. 10000
LINX Extreme LAN 13037 10000
LINX Juniper LAN 13037 195.66 10000
LINX Juniper LAN 13037 10000
LONAP 13037 10000
LONAP 13037 10000
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101 & Openreach VDSL2 modem
My Broadband PingEdited by francisuk25 (Tue 15-Apr-14 15:10:55)
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im just debating with myself now and reading reviews trying to decide between PN and SKY, its so hard to decide as each company my be different on different lines/locations, Sky better for one, PN better for another etc. I just want one who's network is good, not too much congestion and they route their traffic sensibly and not send me from london to london via sheffield like BT
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If you can try and ask friend on the street to see what the sky network is like on the area before but if not then take a risk.
Im paying Sky 80/20 FTTC and Phone Line for £35 and 40/10 was £25 I have only had one problem that when someone robbed cables http://recombu.com/digital/news/copper-thieves-cut-o...
Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro Since 02/12/2013, Sync speeds:
DownStream Connection Speed: 57146
UpStream Connection Speed: 19075
Sky Hub SR101 & Openreach VDSL2 modem
My Broadband PingEdited by francisuk25 (Tue 15-Apr-14 15:12:06)
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