Wait for FTTP or change provider

Got the annual dance going on with Sky where they try to raise the cost of their FTTC provision about 30%, I get 32/8 if I am lucky.

Openreach seem to be going mental round my area, got the egg boxes on the poles and some poles have had extra fibre equipment added, the one right outside my house now have a fibre overhead sticker and an eggbox (Doesn't seem to have a fibre cable on it though)

So the question is if I sign up to Openreach for FTTC while waiting do they just convert that contract to FTTP when ready?, would also look at TalkTalk but their customer service is sooo bad and I WFH, can't rely on that whilst I wait for FTTP

I'd ask for timeframes for FTTP but the answer is probably "How long is your piece of string"

So the question is if I sign up to Openreach for FTTC while waiting do they just convert that contract to FTTP when ready?

No. Your service provider has to request it. Many will allow a mid term upgrade and restart the contract again but that may not apply to all service providers so check 1st.

thanks, looks like I will sit tight in that case and keep doing the check on bt wholesale 10 times a day

Hi,
Not sure if you checked already but have you looked on the openreach Availability checker which may give you some information if not it is possible to get in touch with Openreach and ask them for timescales, I know i was given some however that was by the CEO directly so is a whole other story, I would give them a try if the normal form response team dont help you could try contacting the senior team as they can often help.

Hope that helps in some way, I know myself that being in limbo is expensive. I would tell you though that if there is no fibre optic cable on the poles there's a chance its a long way away as they always but those "egg boxes" so you know called CBT's up there way before they even run fibre.
If i were you i would check what your Mobile phone signal is like on different operators and if you can get a decent speed try a one month contract on a low plan taking a look on USwitch for the best deals and if the speeds are good then you could in theory run of that to lower costs however that's your choice and no one i would take lightly.

I can tell you I have two phone masts 4G near me and I have had to rule that out as 40 Gigs a day over that is going to be a struggle, so you have to consider your usage. It might be worth looking at one month contracts on FTTC then moving however you want to check those costings, I know if i were you i would either move to talktalk, ZEN or BT even if customer service is not good with two of those as I compared the prices and the gigabit option on BT works out at the lowest price however if you want half of that BT and ZEN will cost more than TalkTalk.

My main concern for you is the upgradability as i heard of some talktalk customers being unable or struggling with upgrading as talktalk did not really want to change them over. I cannot comment about recent times as i simply don't know however I would consider your costs as chances are at that stage you have months as usually the installation date is a month away from the date you can order so it really is a long time which can raise the bill.

I know FTTP is coming to me by september 2022 and i don't know if i should renew with virgin media or if i should leave and join FTTC or even a 4G or 5G if available unlimited plan temporally so it really is a decision you should not take lightly as it can cost hundreds extra to keep out of contract but you should know that the possibilities of the fibre arriving could be days to months it really depends.

I just felt like saying that so you knew what you were going to go through, I know I can't wait to leave cable its been the worst experience i have ever had ,my previous FTTP experience was brilliant and was with Orange Fibre networks so the possibilities are there and they are brilliant so don't look back that's one thing i will say.


Let me know if you want any details and i'll be happy to answer.

Sky do mid-contract upgrades but they have been known to be a bit slow at offering FTTP when it does become available through other ISPs. Some reporting several weeks before they can order.

thanks all, Sky is a no as they don't do Gigafibre.

My exchange EADER is actively being rolled out, just not my road yet, can't be too long I hope as I am seeing more and more black circles on the thinkbroadband FTTP map close to me, I am definitely in an area to be upgraded (By March lol) but not sure if it will be days/weeks or months, the wholesale checker just says :

*The premise/line is associated with exchange which is NOT part of current fibre priority programme.

The premise/line is associated with exchange where WLR is not withdrawn.

The premise/line is associated with exchange where SOADSL service is restricted.

FTTP is not available.

*but i know we are

Talktalk would be a risk, I ended up with a lot of compensation from them when they screwed up my FTTC transfer to them, cancelled it in the end, but they do seem to do the best value packages

One thing i would definitely consider would be ZEN they may have higher prices even more than BT but they can do gigabit and they support upgrades and also have the best customer service i am told.
I know if something went wrong i would want to be with them.
Take a look at their prices and give them a call and ask them if they can lower the price for FTTP if you join earlier on VDSL, I know they can its more a matter of what openreach charge them.

But if you want a good deal ring them before the start of next month as the agents usually have lots of "special deals" each month that you might be able to get. I know I didn't get unlimited text, calls, data on SIM with M100 and talk weekend calls on virgin media without some good negotiation down to £29 a month ( and that was mid contract where it was £35 a month before so officially i had no leverage) so it's possible if you know how to get them to give a better deal, I know I have had lots of practice at it so use a variety of different ways.

I know i can get that package above with a quicker speed of gigabit for €30 a month with another provider so i know they can lower the costs if they want.

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I know i can get that package above with a quicker speed of gigabit for €30 a month with another provider so i know they can lower the costs if they want.

What provider is quoting you in euros?

I believe from another thread that was Orange in France, so not a direct UK comparable.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

I believe from another thread that was Orange in France, so not a direct UK comparable.

Why am I not surprised

There is a UK provider that can do £20 a month for those speeds however that provider is only currently operating in parts of London

Orange Group does operate across the UK and is the UK's largest mobile phone operator.
Orange Group in the UK however only support leased lines at low cost once the installation is paid for.
Orange Group currently do offer FTTP services at a highly competitive rate.

For the record Virgin Media also have a EU English site for ordering in VM areas which has lower prices than the normal english version for whatever reason that is the site is not called VM but is a name in the Liberty Global Group that owns VM.

Go on then. Who?

In reply to a post by RR_The_IT_Guy:

There is a UK provider that can do £20 a month for those speeds however that provider is only currently operating in parts of London

Is this provider available to you?

Well yeah mate they’re called EE. But what’s that got to do with the price of eggs?

Your original comment above was about FTTP provided by Orange FR was it not - hence the € pricing?

If your on about liberty global group, I would need to check as a VM engineer told me about it and I don't keep track of all ISP names and packages however I was told about this provider / service by a virgin media tech (although he did say to leave virgin and join cityfibre as he said they were coming to my address and it would be cheaper regardless) but i'm only telling you what he told me I think he said that you had to ask virgin media for them to send a link with the € prices or something but he said it not me I just said what he told me, which i did find a little odd

That may be true but I can technically get the service I just didn't tell virgin media which address and they assumed so I did not lie they were the ones who assumed is what i meant which is a total misunderstanding on their part and regardless of that Cityfibre gigabit is £27 a month last time i checked with talktalk unless they changed the prices again to make more.

No I just ignored that particular bit of nonsense.

The other stuff about Orange UK - we all know it’s EE but what does that have to do with matters?

Tell us who (in London) is providing 1Gbps for £20 pcm.

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That may be true but I can technically get the service I just didn't tell virgin media which address and they assumed so I did not lie they were the ones who assumed is what i meant which is a total misunderstanding on their part and regardless of that Cityfibre gigabit is £27 a month last time i checked with talktalk unless they changed the prices again to make more.

CityFibre operate outside of London.

To be clear you said, “There is a UK provider that can do £20 a month for those speeds however that provider is only currently operating in parts of London”...so I just looked:

- Community Fibre; £36.75 (down from £49 until month end)
- G.Network; £22 for 1st 6 months then £48. So £35 pcm averaged
- Hyperoptic; £45 for 12 months then £60

No one near £20, not even close.

As I may or may not have said, when i recontracted i stated to Virgin Media what is available to me I never stated that it was at which address as they never asked.
I simply stated what is available to me at my addresses, Its available to me just not at my UK address no lying from my part I did not explicitly state it was so it's not my fault if they assumed that when handing out deals, however I do state that i can get a better deal with talktalk for quicker speeds at this address as the average speed with VM is below openreach VDSL so its not false, samknows prooves this.

I know what's available to me in the next 24 Months and virgin also do which is why they are being very liberal as they know that City Fibre and Openreach are building so they don't want to lose all their customers, I know they will lose me and half my street that's for sure we have all been campaigning for decent broadband that's inline with what i have had previously (cheap 10 gig fibre which here cost the same as VDSL).

I'm simply stating that if you tell virgin what is available to you if you have multiple addresses but don't specify the location and when they ask what ISP I happily tell them because I can't deny that its not available as it simply is. I also make a point to make sure they know that i state that my current address has FTTP planned in the Openreach and Cityfibre builds as it is.

You’re obfuscating or avoiding the question.

Which provider in London is providing Gig FTTP for £20?

Let me check the providers name I have it bookmarked.

It is WeFibre
I may have got it wrong they are partly in london but they are in Marsden, Blackpool and other areas.

My contact tells me they are only at the built stage at the moment so you cannot order yet however I have been told they might be doing trials in those areas for the reasons stated on their site.

Edited by RR_The_IT_Guy (Thu 25-Mar-21 16:35:09)

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Orange Group does operate across the UK and is the UK's largest mobile phone operator.

This is untrue as the Orange Group (French) sold their shares in EE after the BT acqusition.

Orange Group in the UK however only support leased lines at low cost once the installation is paid for.

Not sure this is true, the business was integrated into EE and then sold to BT group.

Orange Group currently do offer FTTP services at a highly competitive rate.

Not in the UK, they exited the market by selling to BT plc and selling their shares. The French company Orange SA (formerly France Telecom) decided the UK wasn't the market for them, obvious in their lack of investment in the Orange mobile network since FT acquired it. Without the merger with T-mobile to form EE, the network would have been in trouble for the 4G revolution.

Whilst VM is Liberty Global owned today when the merger with O2 goes ahead the ownership will change quite dramatically.

Edited by jchamier (Thu 25-Mar-21 17:16:53)

So a network provider ...but without an actual network, just a waiting list...in Marsden (West Yorkshire) and Blackpool.

Both “in design” 🤔

It's still a lower price and they have issued statements to where they are building and have already half built (to their target).
Its my understanding that they are selling services in the odd few places more as trials at a discounted rate where they post letters through doors in those areas with exclusive links however I cannot be sure directly as this is a rumor i have heard,

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As I may or may not have said, when i recontracted i stated to Virgin Media what is available to me I never stated that it was at which address as they never asked.
I simply stated what is available to me at my addresses, Its available to me just not at my UK address no lying from my part I did not explicitly state it was so it's not my fault if they assumed that when handing out deals, however I do state that i can get a better deal with talktalk for quicker speeds at this address as the average speed with VM is below openreach VDSL so its not false, samknows prooves this.

I know what's available to me in the next 24 Months and virgin also do which is why they are being very liberal as they know that City Fibre and Openreach are building so they don't want to lose all their customers, I know they will lose me and half my street that's for sure we have all been campaigning for decent broadband that's inline with what i have had previously (cheap 10 gig fibre which here cost the same as VDSL).

I'm simply stating that if you tell virgin what is available to you if you have multiple addresses but don't specify the location and when they ask what ISP I happily tell them because I can't deny that its not available as it simply is. I also make a point to make sure they know that i state that my current address has FTTP planned in the Openreach and Cityfibre builds as it is.

What you say (or don’t say) and do (or don’t do) with Virgin Media is completely up to you. But it’s all rather irrelevant in this thread is it not?

Let’s just safely say there is no network provider selling 1Gbps FTTP in London for £20 and call it quits.

ok lets agree for now although "the future is exciting"

I mean I know a guy that lives near me the village next door who became an ISP and ran FTTP through his street and his house is basically the data centre with a BT backhaul and he somehow keeps the costs below all over providers it's quite impressive I couldn't tell you the name as its websiteless its literally go to the door and say what you want and he will run the fibre in less than a week, sorted.
I feel like if we all got leased lines and did this to our streets we would probably make ourselves very unpopular but i don't ask questions as its nothing to do with me.

I mean you have a point I was just trying to say how i got a good deal with them and how i strongly suggest others check what is and what will be available to them as it gives them some wiggle room to lower the prices.

I know one thing I hope VM keep their international hotspots as we all do so much traveling these days don't we ha ha.
I mean if they become part of telefonica I see free international calls, texts and data or at least i hope so.
Orange / EE both work extremely well with the VM virtual network when moving around different countries at the moment while they use the EE network.

I know the Vodafone sims which virgin are now offering are not great in europe as they are paired with SFR (know for being the worst network for service and customer service, worse than virgin media(might be why they joined forces(to spread the misery)))

I guess we will see what happens I know i'll notice any changes that are made from frequent traveling (you know its a sign when border force know your name before they even see your passport).

Can I please give you some advice?

Please sanity check what you say in your posts as some of the stuff you have posted in the last couple of days is beyond belief (e.g. getting calls/emails from Clive Selley, Subnet Masks of 255.0.0.0 and now this), You're already getting a reputation here for [censored] and if you don't change your ways no one will ever take you seriously.

I think you'll find that most people on this forum know how to haggle.

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I think you'll find that most people on this forum know how to haggle.

Ah but do they know that if Clive says Openreach are coming in 2 years, it is gospel. Th great one has spoke. They will quiver with fear at losing ALL their customers and they will drop their trousers to keep the business....yeah I know 😂

Ok thanks for your message I will scrutinise what i say, as I know I am not always very clear and can sometimes make things confusing and unclear.
I do want to apologize however I want to assure you that what i said about Clive Selley was genuine and did happen and i have proof of it the only reason I did not provide any was firstly because i had no method to share it and secondly was because i did not want to censor out all of the personal information which i take extremely seriously.

I also don't think what i said about the Subnet mask was clear either i used that subnet as an example I would never use that subnet unless there really was a reason for it that i will insite even 255.255.0.0 is massively overkill and pointless for what i said but its purley an example I only implement things after testing and ensuring its suitable The most i would implement for my network if i ever did use a Multisite VPN would be a class B 255.255.240.0 so I could easily handle 4094 hosts and I'm extremely sorry about not being clear all i was trying to give an idea rather than my particular case.
I do understand what your saying and I will check everything and research everything in advance before responding as i sometimes forget what's what and its all a blur.
I'm sorry everyone

In reply to a post by RR_The_IT_Guy:

I know one thing I hope VM keep their international hotspots as we all do so much traveling these days don't we ha ha. I mean if they become part of telefonica I see free international calls, texts and data or at least i hope so.

VM won't become part of Telefonica as both Telefonica & Liberty are contributing their UK assets into a new UK company that will be owned 50/50. This is a common way to do it, but also gives Telefonica some income.

Orange / EE both work extremely well with the VM virtual network when moving around different countries at the moment while they use the EE network.

Too late, like Asda, VM have moved to Vodafone, so the roaming between countries will be the vodafone roaming. Whilst VM has their own SIM cards and UK core network, for roaming they will rely on their mobile network supplier.

Note - There is no orange in the UK anymore, that was disbanded, the old transmitter code 234-33 has been switched off. EE is using the old Tmobile code (234-30) and is now 100% owned by BT plc. Orange branded PAYG SIMs have been force migrated or cancelled, as Orange SA withdrew the permission to use the brand. Hence all the EE shops removed both Orange and Tmobile logos. (Interestingly german TMobile has kept a shareholding in BT plc).

(one of the guesses why VM has moved to Vodafone is that they want to compete with BT plc).

I know the Vodafone sims which virgin are now offering are not great in europe as they are paired with SFR (know for being the worst network for service and customer service, worse than virgin media(might be why they joined forces(to spread the misery)))

All my friends active accounts have moved to Vodafone, maybe yours has, but you have good Vodafone signal in the UK?

Edited by jchamier (Thu 25-Mar-21 18:33:17)

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

I really appreciate what you have told me about

VM won't become part of Telefonica as both Telefonica & Liberty are contributing their UK assets into a new UK company that will be owned 50/50. This is a common way to do it, but also gives Telefonica some income.

I was not aware how this was done and gives me some understanding.


Thanks for letting me know about the Orange network the strange thing is that old transmitter code still seems to be on the cell maps I saw a couple of weeks ago so they don't seem to update those a lot.

All my friends active accounts have moved to Vodafone, maybe yours has, but you have good Vodafone signal in the UK ?

Yeah i have a vodafone and EE mast next to my house its really good like i know i am still on the ee network however as one spot which has vodafone signal and not EE is still dead so not sure what's happening there.

Do you know if they do some kind of remote update to change it over or do they send new sims? This would be my first network swap that has happened so I'm not sure?
Anything you know is appreciated.

In reply to a post by RR_The_IT_Guy:

Thanks for letting me know about the Orange network the strange thing is that old transmitter code still seems to be on the cell maps I saw a couple of weeks ago so they don't seem to update those a lot.

Depends whom owns the map, but cellmapper is crowd sourced. The merger was 2011, so we are 10 years on, and the Orange network was pretty much turned off in most of the country by 2018. The BT purchase was in 2015

Do you know if they do some kind of remote update to change it over or do they send new sims? This would be my first network swap that has happened so I'm not sure?
Anything you know is appreciated.

If you had the swap to the purple SIM a couple of years ago, you're on the VirginMobile run core, so the switch is done in software. Some people whom have poor Vodafone signal have been quite upset!

Edited by jchamier (Thu 25-Mar-21 19:15:44)

If you had the swap to the purple SIM a couple of years ago, you're on the VirginMobile run core, so the switch is done in software. Some people whom have poor Vodafone signal have been quite upset!

I only got virgin mobile in the summer of 2020 as that's when virgin media gave it to me for free as they stuck it on unlimited and i had had congestion issues dropping to 50MBps so not that concerning (not to the extant that i now have which is below 10 and sometimes 1).

I assume it's a purple but don't really want to check as I have had issues with the sim losing connection completely when i first set it up and had to reset software and it took ages and with Virgin Medias support you can guess that ages was a little longer than most.

I'll be honest with you I like being on the EE network for a variety of reasons
The signal where i am is decent according to the ofcom mobile checker its 3RD in coverage O2 First then Vodafone after that EE then Three is is all 3G and you have to literally move around to get signal and if your inside well no phone calls without WiFI.

My only concern is that I go to places where there simply is no Vodafone signal at all where I had two sims prior one on Libera which uses vodafone and one on EE (Virgin) so I had failover so i could make phone calls and use backup data if needed.
However i guess this is made up with the increased coverage inside buildings that i am often in which never had any coverage with any other provider except them.

Well i guess all we can do is hope for the best and see what happens.

I guess the competition is a good thing, no point paying your rivals I know i wouldn't, i know if I was making the choice out of all of them I would rule out three as my experience says it all really.

Do you know how they are choosing the switches for customers do you think mine should have been done already as i'm a little concerned that the sim could have issues as it has been acting odd.
For example if i turn wifi off and make a phone call i cant use mobile data things like that.

In reply to a post by RR_The_IT_Guy:

I only got virgin mobile in the summer of 2020 as that's when virgin media gave it to me for free

you should be on the new one.

Three is is all 3G and you have to literally move around to get signal and if your inside well no phone calls without WiFI.

Er no, all 4 networks have a full 4G deployment. All 4 networks have reduced capacity on 3G and using the frequencies for 4G.

Well i guess all we can do is hope for the best and see what happens.

If you've not used Vodafone for a few years (that you know of) then you will be happy to things have changed a lot. Assuming you are using a 4G phone.

Do you know how they are choosing the switches for customers do you think mine should have been done already as i'm a little concerned that the sim could have issues as it has been acting odd.

No, I don't even have a VM SIM, I buy from the 4 real networks, don't bother with the virtual offerings.

For example if i turn wifi off and make a phone call i cant use mobile data things like that.

That happens normally if you are on 2G but could be an incompatibility if you have an older Android at a guess.

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You’re obfuscating or avoiding the question.

Which provider in London is providing Gig FTTP for £20?

Might as well abandon our rural office and move down south if we could get that kinda speed for that price!

you should be on the new one.

Thanks for letting me know

Er no, all 4 networks have a full 4G deployment. All 4 networks have reduced capacity on 3G and using the frequencies for 4G.

Sorry i should have been a little clearer, in my area St Neots over over 10000 people we only get 2G and 3G on Three there is no such thing as 4G here that's too recent here I have two three sims in two phones and have never had 4G around my area and if i have it has been intermittent and then switched back to 3G.

We can barely get 4G everywhere on EE and no 3G around here on that network.

Vodafone only has 4G coverage in my area. There might be 3G but i tested my phone in 3G mode only and it could not connect so i feel that there isn't

O2 has full coverage on 4G, 3G and 2G - so ultimately the network of choice ideally.

If you've not used Vodafone for a few years (that you know of) then you will be happy to things have changed a lot. Assuming you are using a 4G phone.

I am currently using a virtual operator on their (Vodafones) network the same goes for three mobile which i use to receive calls.

No, I don't even have a VM SIM, I buy from the 4 real networks, don't bother with the virtual offerings.

Okay i completely understand that.

That happens normally if you are on 2G but could be an incompatibility if you have an older Android at a guess.

Just for reference i was using an Iphone 7 Plus and have also done that on an iphone 6 so I would think its a sim or config on the sim than the devices its a bit odd but i know that one of the T-Mobile masts i'm on keep going down at the moment so not sure if that's causing an issue.

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Sorry i should have been a little clearer, in my area St Neots over over 10000 people we only get 2G and 3G on Three there is no such thing as 4G here that's too recent here I have two three sims in two phones and have never had 4G around my area and if i have it has been intermittent and then switched back to 3G.

Is that a real Three SIM or a MVNO ?

Three has plenty of 4G transmitters in your area, assuming St Neots in Huntingdon area of Cambridgeshire.

We can barely get 4G everywhere on EE and no 3G around here on that network.

That would be really unusual in a major county like Cambridgeshire in 2021. I would agree it it was 2014.

Vodafone only has 4G coverage in my area. There might be 3G but i tested my phone in 3G mode only and it could not connect so i feel that there isn't

Something else is at fault as you will get 3G today everywhere you can get 4G, for CSFB, circuit switched fall back, what older non-4G Calling phones (e.g. older Androids) use for 4G data and then 3G voice.

O2 has full coverage on 4G, 3G and 2G - so ultimately the network of choice ideally.

Nationally O2 has the least capacity as they didn’t have the money to buy spectrum. Here in Hampshire I get 100 Mbps on EE, 70 Mbps on Vodafone, 40 Mbps on Three, and 4 Mbps on O2. No joke.

Just for reference i was using an Iphone 7 Plus and have also done that on an iphone 6 so I would think its a sim or config on the sim than the devices its a bit odd but i know that one of the T-Mobile masts i'm on keep going down at the moment so not sure if that's causing an issue.

The 7 should be running iOS 14.4.1 and with a real EE SIM should have Network Provider version of 45.0. With a real Vodafone SIM you would have the same provider version. (This is the config file from the network that apple sends to your phone). With virtual networks you get less because you are paying less.

The iPhone 6 is stuck on iOS 12, but the 6s can get 14, and the 6s and later does 4G calling if it turned on. The 6 is a bit of a mixed bag.

Is that a real Three SIM or a MVNO ?

I have ordered multiple directly from the three site.

That would be really unusual in a major county like Cambridgeshire in 2021. I would agree it it was 2014.

I did also mean indoors as well as outdoor although when i have internet radio in the car it starts and stops as you drive around so its not good, it only does it in the areas that ofcom state on their impartial map.

Three Voice with 4G option enabled

4G Three Data



EE 4G Data

EE 4G Voice

EE 3G Voice

EE 3G Data


OfCom map

I'm not going to upload all of the providers but you get an idea from that

Something else is at fault as you will get 3G today everywhere you can get 4G, for CSFB, circuit switched fall back, what older non-4G Calling phones (e.g. older Androids) use for 4G data and then 3G voice.

I did know parts of that as my old iphone did the same i can change it to 4g calls if i wish or let it do as it wishes, It seems that ee and three have no 3G at all or atleast indoors the map is clear white I will upload some screenshots if i can.

Nationally O2 has the least capacity as they didn’t have the money to buy spectrum. Here in Hampshire I get 100 Mbps on EE, 70 Mbps on Vodafone, 40 Mbps on Three, and 4 Mbps on O2. No joke.

I find that funny as O2 is the best network in Cambridgeshire all the others are awful or worse, I know O2 is the only network that has signal in the schools in st neots which if you get signal in a school you know that's good service especially when the walls are over 30CM think. You could literally bomb the place and the walls would not claps (I better not say that as 10 years ago a student bought in a WW2 hand grenade that was live and the bomb squad had to blow it up after they evacuated (only in st neots you get idiots like that))

The 7 should be running iOS 14.4.1 and with a real EE SIM should have Network Provider version of 45.0. With a real Vodafone SIM you would have the same provider version. (This is the config file from the network that apple sends to your phone). With virtual networks you get less because you are paying less.

I am always on the latest IOS as its my policy to keep all equipment up to date (or as much as possible) the provider version seems to be Virgin 45.1 on in my about menu so there seems to have been an update to that.

I agree with you on the 6 that's why i use it as my backup phone and it has a spare sim in it so when parties were allowed i would just get a free pay as you go sim activate it and then post the number around and take song requests on it it was great as after every event i could just store the sim if i would need it again for the same type of thing but after a few months they get scam calls so they just get disposed or passed onto the guy that does the event with me unfortunately I hate creating e-waste of any type but this is done once a year at most anyway and the last sim has been kept for over 2 years so until it dies i don't want to shred it as its not getting scam calls yet.

I hope you get an idea with that if you have any questions please let me know but i do agree it is odd that St Neots has rubbish signal all the locals know it my street literally have to go to the window to make phone calls if we dont have wifi calling. I bet you can imagine the conversations.

In reply to a post by RR_The_IT_Guy:

Orange Group does operate across the UK and is the UK's largest mobile phone operator.
Orange Group in the UK however only support leased lines at low cost once the installation is paid for.
Orange Group currently do offer FTTP services at a highly competitive rate.

Simply wrong!

The whole of Orange's UK operation (EE) , landline and mobile services, was sold to BT Group at the end of January 2016. The sale resulted in Orange having a 4% shareholding in BT. Whether they still have that I don't know.

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 26-Mar-21 01:47:16)

As you have amply demonstrated:

In reply to a post by RR_The_IT_Guy:

... i sometimes forget what's what and its all a blur.

Gawd help any business you work for or provide services to.

I may get things confused on paper but not in practice. Actually doing whatever is needed is easy it's not theory when its being implemented. The provided services always end up with extremely happy associates and there have never been any issues.
I want to say that it was an error of judgement on my part and I feel that we should just move on and accept what happened and I will follow all of the steps i stated to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Edited by RR_The_IT_Guy (Fri 26-Mar-21 06:36:20)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

The sale resulted in Orange having a 4% shareholding in BT. Whether they still have that I don't know.

They sold up, didn't want any part of BT group plc:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-bt-stake-orange/f...

Well this thread went a tad off piste,will keep fingers crossed for months and pay sky their inflated rates for a couple of months whilst praying the FTTP gods look down on me kindly

Thanks James.

In reply to a post by MikeBUK:

Well this thread went a tad off piste,will keep fingers crossed for months and pay sky their inflated rates for a couple of months whilst praying the FTTP gods look down on me kindly

It did indeed. Sorry. Fortunately the first reply was all that was needed.

The rest was someone who seems to like telling us completely irrelevant and half-garbled stuff. His VM connection is one of the congested ones, but even his own thread about that is ridiculous.