It is available

So according to the Zzoomm web page, i can now order fibre from them. I thought I would put my postcode and house number in, and it said I can order.
I am not going to. I thought they would have sent leaflets though the door

I have a feeling from your previous posts that even if they had stuffed hundreds of leaflets through your door you would still not be ordering FTTP from Zzoomm or any other provider as you consider your existing service is adequate. So it's a bit of a non event really.

Give it time, the leaflets and cold calling at the doorstep will soon happen.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I thought they would have sent leaflets though the door

When our BDUK funded fibre was installed the only people 'informed' where BT customers, I was talking to someone earlier this year who had only just found out they could order FTTP, some two years later.

the funny thing is they put leaflet our door and we cant get it
i remember their 2gb option

Hey Adrian - for someone so adamant that they don’t want FTTP (especially from the likes of Zzoomm) you spend a ton of time and energy writing about it. 😎😂

Maybe the Zoom sles team and leafletters are members here and have specifically excluded him!

Maybe they are trying to be environmentally friendly by not posting leaflets.

And not just here...

In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

I have a feeling from your previous posts that even if they had stuffed hundreds of leaflets through your door you would still not be ordering FTTP from Zzoomm or any other provider as you consider your existing service is adequate. So it's a bit of a non event really.

I can't order yet anyway, I am still under contract with Plusnet, I could change my mind. I think it is great that it is here for people who will make use of it. I was shocked when i heard fibre was coming here, I was shocked that they have even heard of Hereford.

In reply to a post by Intoxicating20:

Give it time, the leaflets and cold calling at the doorstep will soon happen.

LOL, maybe

In reply to a post by bibiyui:

the funny thing is they put leaflet our door and we cant get it
i remember their 2gb option

there have been a few people on their Facebook page saying that as well.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Hey Adrian - for someone so adamant that they don’t want FTTP (especially from the likes of Zzoomm) you spend a ton of time and energy writing about it. 😎😂

Adamant? I would not go that far, I just don't see what use I would get out of it for the extra cost. I have 9 months before my contract end, so I could change my mind, I can't see it happening unless things changes, but you never know.

it is still good to see,

"I can't order yet anyway, "

You can order, as there is nothing stopping you.

Yes, there's nothing to stop zyborg47 staying with Plusnet and getting a new Zzooom service.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

"I can't order yet anyway, "

You can order, as there is nothing stopping you.

I could order it, but then i would be paying for two providers for 9 months, I don't think I am doing that.

In reply to a post by Davey_H:

And not just here...

Is this the same person who has been posting at great length on Digitalspy about the same subject? He seems to spend an awful lot of time telling everyone that he doesn't want FTTP - if someone doesn't want it that's their free choice but he must have written thousands of words on the subject at this point.

In reply to a post by misstuned:

he must have written thousands of words on the subject at this point.

I'm sure there must be more than one person with that view, what I would say about Adrian/zyborg47 is he is an extremely honest decent guy (apart from his views on Covid and FTTP)

In reply to a post by dect:

I'm sure there must be more than one person with that view

Seems I was wrong having listened to a reliable source 🤣

In reply to a post by misstuned:

Is this the same person who has been posting at great length on Digitalspy about the same subject? He seems to spend an awful lot of time telling everyone that he doesn't want FTTP - if someone doesn't want it that's their free choice but he must have written thousands of words on the subject at this point.

I was just asking a question, trying to justify in my mind if it is worth it. Not saying I don't FTTP, never said I did not want it as such.

In reply to a post by dect:

I'm sure there must be more than one person with that view, what I would say about Adrian/zyborg47 is he is an extremely honest decent guy (apart from his views on Covid and FTTP)

I can understand you liking my views about Covid, but FTTP? I have said it is a good thing to be happening, we need it in this city, just trying to work out if I need it, I admit i may have gone on a bit much about it, but that is me, once I get something between my teeth, no idea why, but I am what I am.
A neighbour have had zzoomm so I have been told, so I will wait until they have tried it for a few weeks and then ask them how it is going.

"A neighbour have had zzoomm so I have been told, so I will wait until they have tried it for a few weeks and then ask them how it is going. "

What difference would that make? You either need/want it or not!

In reply to a post by broadband66:

"A neighbour have had zzoomm so I have been told, so I will wait until they have tried it for a few weeks and then ask them how it is going. "

What difference would that make? You either need/want it or not!

Can I not be interested to see how it is going?

I had a leaflet yesterday, with are you ready, ZZoomm. on , I also had another letter from the TVL at the same time asking if I will be in on a certain date, again, maybe they will turn up this time.

Anyway, i may change my mind at some point, at the moment I can't see it, but you never know, 9 months is a fair time, anything can happen. Also, I just like to be nosy and see how they are getting on with it, I am sure I will bump into them while i am pushing the bike though their garden or when they are taking their gigantic dog out for a walk

In reply to a post by broadband66:

"A neighbour have had zzoomm so I have been told, so I will wait until they have tried it for a few weeks and then ask them how it is going. "

What difference would that make? You either need/want it or not!

Its no different than those people who say "I would hate lots of money because it would change me", who they trying to kid 😜

And your neighbour says that it is extremely reliable and fast. Would you then bite the bullet?

In reply to a post by broadband66:

And your neighbour says that it is extremely reliable and fast. Would you then bite the bullet?

No, his more of a Linky

In reply to a post by broadband66:

And your neighbour says that it is extremely reliable and fast. Would you then bite the bullet?

I presume it is fast, but as I have said before, 36Mb/s which I have does what I need it to do.
I can understand why they went for it, they have two, I was going to say teenage, but they are past that, just about, anyway, two daughters living there, so it will be ideal for them, also the man of the house does some work at home.

We will see what happens at the end of my plusnet contract, depending on how much more expensive things get.

In reply to a post by dect:

Its no different than those people who say "I would hate lots of money because it would change me", who they trying to kid 😜

stupid people i would not mind a bit more money, not millions, but I would not refuse it, but enough to live nicely.
Would it change me? Not who I am, but it would certainly change my life and i can help other people

i would not turn down a faster internet speed if they could do it with what I have got, no mucking around with pulling cables around and people in the house and keep the same price I am paying now.
but will a faster internet speed make much difference? No, not really, I will be able to download some stuff a little faster.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I presume it is fast, but as I have said before, 36Mb/s which I have does what I need it to do.

I presume your upload is around 10 Mbps ? Many people need faster uplink than downlink, but I often work with files of 2Gb and larger and my 200 / 20 Mbps cable connection saves all that waiting around and trying to explain to the boss why I'm waiting (and can't do anything else)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I presume it is fast, but as I have said before, 36Mb/s which I have does what I need it to do.

I presume your upload is around 10 Mbps ? Many people need faster uplink than downlink, but I often work with files of 2Gb and larger and my 200 / 20 Mbps cable connection saves all that waiting around and trying to explain to the boss why I'm waiting (and can't do anything else)

Most people don't, what do most people upload? You are correct, my upload is 10 Mb/s, well 9, but close enough. Maybe next year I will need a faster upload, but at the moment I don't.
I went out this afternoon and there were a lot of ZZoomm vans down one of the roads, so I presume there was a lot of people getting zzoomm, which is a good thing, I hope they do well, but it surprised me as i thought a lot of people would still be in contract.
I have had another leaflet, but I think this one was hand-delivered. 9 months is a fair amount of time, anything can happen between now and then. I will see closer to the time.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Most people don't, what do most people upload?

Large photoshop images, large code blocks, graphics, or even just sending emails with large attachments. I originally moved from VDSL/FTTC to cable as my upload had dropped to 2 Mbps (believed cross talk) and download went from 60 Mbps to 38 Mbps. Plusnet offered no ideas, so I left.

Speaking for myself here but assuming the Lit Fibre build reaches me, I'm likely to "just" get the 100Mbps option because it's symmetric and the boost to upload speeds would make the biggest difference to what I can achieve working from home without having to use a VM running out of Azure or whatever. It's the difference between uploading a few GB of data being an event and something that just happens quickly without holding you back from getting on with the next task.

Yes, I don't need 200 download on my cable connection (I'm not a PS4/XBox gamer) and so a 100/100 service would be ideal for me.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Large photoshop images, large code blocks, graphics, or even just sending emails with large attachments. I originally moved from VDSL/FTTC to cable as my upload had dropped to 2 Mbps (believed cross talk) and download went from 60 Mbps to 38 Mbps. Plusnet offered no ideas, so I left.

I did say most, not all, A friend would have loved higher upload speed when she was living around here and even where she is now, sadly her broadband speed is worse than it was here, that is why she uses 4G. She used to upload a fair bit, not so much these days and now there is talk of them having FTTP

I would say that 95% of people in my area have no need for a faster upload speed, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

I am not saying that some people don't have rotten FTTC, and as more people get connected, the worse it gets, maybe I am lucky, makes a change, but here the speed have more or less stayed constant at 35Mb/s. 9Mb/s upload, but that is not a problem for me, I don't upload as much these days either., it does make grabbing stuff from the NAS slower from outside my network, but again I don't do that very often either.

As I have said before, I hope zzoomm does well, I think they will as long as they can get rid of their gremlins as they still seem to be having a few problems, Yesterday their network went down in some parts of the city.

I'd quite like FTTP if it pops up around here at any point, a bump in download from my current 40Mbps to, say, 100-200Mbps would be nice and I'd appreciate the extra upload speed for work - currently I'm stuck at 10Mbps. It'd be a "nice to have" rather than an "I'm desperately refreshing the page every day to see when I can get it", though.

But I am not quite sure what you're trying to achieve with all these posts everywhere. You claim that you don't want to order FTTP, but you're constantly monitoring for its availability at your address and posting on multiple different forums the moment you see that it's on sale. You don't want to order it, but you're asking your neighbour if it's any good. You don't want to order it, but you're checking the status of the local FTTP company and posting about its outages.

What are you doing with these endless posts? It feels like you're trying to ask for permission from people on forums to order it, waiting for someone to say "go ahead, you can order it, you can buy something cool for yourself". If you want FTTP, order it. If you don't want FTTP, why are you taking such a keen interest in it?

Edited by misstuned (Thu 27-Oct-22 09:57:43)

In reply to a post by misstuned:

I'd quite like FTTP if it pops up around here at any point, a bump in download from my current 40Mbps to, say, 100-200Mbps would be nice and I'd appreciate the extra upload speed for work - currently I'm stuck at 10Mbps. It'd be a "nice to have" rather than an "I'm desperately refreshing the page every day to see when I can get it", though.

But I am not quite sure what you're trying to achieve with all these posts everywhere. You claim that you don't want to order FTTP, but you're constantly monitoring for its availability at your address and posting on multiple different forums the moment you see that it's on sale. You don't want to order it, but you're asking your neighbour if it's any good. You don't want to order it, but you're checking the status of the local FTTP company and posting about its outages.

What are you doing with these endless posts? It feels like you're trying to ask for permission from people on forums to order it, waiting for someone to say "go ahead, you can order it, you can buy something cool for yourself". If you want FTTP, order it. If you don't want FTTP, why are you taking such a keen interest in it?

Well that’s exactly the crux of the matter ….

If you hunt around other threads you’ll see equally fervent views on other matters, vaccines, Brexit, politics, etc. He has posted for many years on here, and that’s just the way it is.

In reply to a post by misstuned:

I'd quite like FTTP if it pops up around here at any point, a bump in download from my current 40Mbps to, say, 100-200Mbps would be nice and I'd appreciate the extra upload speed for work - currently I'm stuck at 10Mbps. It'd be a "nice to have" rather than an "I'm desperately refreshing the page every day to see when I can get it", though.

But I am not quite sure what you're trying to achieve with all these posts everywhere. You claim that you don't want to order FTTP, but you're constantly monitoring for its availability at your address and posting on multiple different forums the moment you see that it's on sale. You don't want to order it, but you're asking your neighbour if it's any good. You don't want to order it, but you're checking the status of the local FTTP company and posting about its outages.

What are you doing with these endless posts? It feels like you're trying to ask for permission from people on forums to order it, waiting for someone to say "go ahead, you can order it, you can buy something cool for yourself". If you want FTTP, order it. If you don't want FTTP, why are you taking such a keen interest in it?

Yes, that is what I am doing, asking for permission, yeah,
Like hell, I am.

Not sure what you mean about refreshing the page, 40Mb/s is ample to be honest, the only reason people really need more is maybe if they have a few people in the same building using the same network. It was not that long ago when we all had a lot less. I realise that with more media use the slow speeds we had a few years ago with not be great now, saying I still used Netflix HD on my old ADSL connection, 720p only, but it worked, just about

The minimum speed with zzoomm is 150Mb/s and yes i am not saying it would not be nice, but I was just trying to see if it was really worth the hassle from different people's view and I have got that, I think.

I am still in contract and I have said it before that I am, for another 8 months I think=, so i have to wait for at least 7 or so.

As for checking the status, I like to know what is going on, how it is going and how people are coping with it, because I am nosy, is that ok with you?

I am not forcing you to read my posts, don't like them, then don't read them, simple as that I that goes for anyone to be honest.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Well that’s exactly the crux of the matter ….

If you hunt around other threads you’ll see equally fervent views on other matters, vaccines, Brexit, politics, etc. He has posted for many years on here, and that’s just the way it is.

I will say the same thing to you as i said above, you don't like my posts then don't read them, I am not forcing you to.
this is a public forum,, you don't like that is just too bad, I do not give a .

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

40Mb/s is ample to be honest, the only reason people really need more is maybe if they have a few people in the same building using the same network.

I completely disagree, 40 Mbps is not enough for myself for working at home. You may have noticed that the world changed a bit for office workers in 2020, and many people are required to work from home part of a week, or full time. Some of my colleagues have to download and upload very large images (e.g. virtual machines) and it is a very different requirement to those whom need to download a 300 GB game or patch once a week to a PS5/XBox etc. Please stop with the generalisations and buy and use what works for you.

If you hunt around other threads you’ll see equally fervent views on other matters, vaccines, Brexit, politics, etc. He has posted for many years on here, and that’s just the way it is.

Was how I ended my post … I believe it says just what you did in your reply to me.

this is a public forum,, you don't like that is just too bad, I do not give a .

Though in a slightly less bolshy fashion.

If you don’t like my posts, then don’t read them Adrian. It wasn’t a direct reply to you. It was actually reasonably supportive of your post.

Somebody has to fit the ONT. What's wrong with people in the house?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I am still in contract and I have said it before that I am, for another 8 months I think=, so i have to wait for at least 7 or so.

Have you considered enquiring how much it would be to buy yourself out of your Plusnet contract.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

I completely disagree, 40 Mbps is not enough for myself for working at home. You may have noticed that the world changed a bit for office workers in 2020, and many people are required to work from home part of a week, or full time. Some of my colleagues have to download and upload very large images (e.g. virtual machines) and it is a very different requirement to those whom need to download a 300 GB game or patch once a week to a PS5/XBox etc. Please stop with the generalisations and buy and use what works for you.

Fair enough, for you then 40Mb/s may be a bit slow, but even for most people working at home, all they will download and upload is documents. For a friend, it files from adobe software or it was, she got around it by uploading the stuff to a cloud storage system and then the client downloading it from there, slow for her, but fast for them. Then she went for 4G and that improved it a little.

My sister-in-law works for a solicitor, and it is mainly word documents and QuickBooks files, I presume she still uses Quickbooks, so they are not large files normally. She can get Zzoom, but her email is linked with BT, I broke the link with ISP email services years ago, when I got my own domain.

But for the majority of people 40Mb/s is fine, the upload can be a problem for some. I presume my neighbour have gone for Zzoomm because there are four of them in the house, I saw them today, but not to speak too., well I saw their dog . It is a big dog


The world have certainly changed, for the worse, where we are being pushed even more to do things we don't want to do or use.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

If you don’t like my posts, then don’t read them Adrian. It wasn’t a direct reply to you. It was actually reasonably supportive of your post.

Yeah, yeah. sorry, just in a strange mood and can't shake it off.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Somebody has to fit the ONT. What's wrong with people in the house?

I know what happens with an installation and about the ONT. Just prefer people not to come here, unless i know them.

In reply to a post by dect:

Have you considered enquiring how much it would be to buy yourself out of your Plusnet contract.

i read it was £15 a month, so over £100, as I said I am in no rush, no rush for anything to be honest. I don't even want to be living here by that time, I expect I will be, but I don't want to be.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

for the majority of people 40Mb/s is fine

I have seen you say this on a number of occasions but have missed where you provide the evidence to back that statement up. If you say 40Mbps is enough for you then fair enough but to say it as a blanket statement I would be interested to see the evidence as I wouldn't go back to 40Mbps even if you gave me it for free.

In reply to a post by dect:

I have seen you say this on a number of occasions but have missed where you provide the evidence to back that statement up. If you say 40Mbps is enough for you then fair enough but to say it as a blanket statement I would be interested to see the evidence as I wouldn't go back to 40Mbps even if you gave me it for free.

What do you do with your broadband? Most people will browse, maybe use some streaming services, and that is it. Ok, I should have said for most people on their own, 40Mb/s is ample, if there are a few people living in the house then yes 40Mb/s could be a bit of a limitation if they are all watching 4K, but the testy I did, proved that I could use 3 video streaming services, granted one was in HD and a had different stuff playing from all my Alexas, and it worked fine. It may have been on the limit and if i added more it may have failed, or I was able to put the third video stream to 4K. So yes, for a family, faster than 40Mb/s may be required.

The problem I have is this you need this because it is faster, and it is not just broadband, it is phones and computers. At the end of the day it is up to people, if they want to pay more for something they do not need then that is up to them, I know people who may make use of the faster speed.

If I had the choice of 40 Mb/s for free or paying for faster, I would go for 40Mb/s, if i can save £24 a month I will. To be honest, I would prefer not to have to pay for broadband at all, but these days it is required and now I use it for my video and music entertainment, plus the smart home stuff, it is needed now more than ever and yes I know that is my fault


I just feel like I am being pressurised all the time, not just for broadband but for other stuff as well, maybe it is just stuff getting to me, at the moment, with work and living in this city. i thought being off work for a week would help.

Oh well,

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I would prefer not to have to pay for broadband at all, but these days it is required

I know you don't use your broadband for work but millions out their do and I would 'suspect' that very few companies contribute towards the broadband costs of their employee's and considering a lot of companies now have a hot desking system in the office it has saved them a fair bit as they have been able to downside their offices. I know some may raise the point that the government during Covid gave a small tax rebate of around £60 for working from home but thats not the same thing.

In reply to a post by dect:

I would 'suspect' that very few companies contribute towards the broadband costs of their employee's

I work for a "super large" consulting and IT corporate, and I also work alongside employees of our competitors. None of these companies contribute to home broadband costs. It is seen as something people have at home anyway, like gas, electricity and water. Its hard enough trying to get them to pay for IT accessories (monitor, keyboard) for home working!

Edited by jchamier (Fri 28-Oct-22 09:22:47)

Back in the day the consultancy I used to work for paid for my home broadband, mobile, etc. As long as I could provide invoices etc. They were quite generous with expenses, but it was a demanding gig.

In reply to a post by dect:

I know you don't use your broadband for work but millions out their do and I would 'suspect' that very few companies contribute towards the broadband costs of their employee's and considering a lot of companies now have a hot desking system in the office it has saved them a fair bit as they have been able to downside their offices. I know some may raise the point that the government during Covid gave a small tax rebate of around £60 for working from home but thats not the same thing.

You have not said why you need something so fast for your work, unless I missed it? The place I work wants us to use our phones for their apps and for teams, I refuse outright, I leave my phone in my locker, they even wanted people to start taking photos of their work to make sure it was done, that is only one manager that wants that, if I worked on that department I would say give the equipment and I will. Companies expect us to use our own equipment and use our own money, for them. As i said to one of my managers last week, i go to work, do my work and then go home, get paid at the end of four weeks.
I never used to feel like that, i would stay on and help, but no more.

I certainly would not pay for my broadband for work, any work unless it benefited me. Just the way i am these days.

if i go for a faster broadband it will be for me.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

You have not said why you need something so fast for your work, unless I missed it?

You didn't miss it as I didn't say, I also didn't say I needed broadband for work nor did I say I have a broadband package that was 'so fast' compared to the top end packages available today as relatively mine is a push bike but faster than a snail.

Edited by deleted (Fri 28-Oct-22 15:57:44)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I certainly would not pay for my broadband for work, any work unless it benefited me. Just the way i am these days.

Some people (in office jobs, not others) prefer to work from home, when there is a fully paid for, funded office desk for them. At that point the business doesn't feel it should pay for home working facilities as they're already paying for an office.

In reply to a post by dect:

You didn't miss it as I didn't say, I also didn't say I needed broadband for work nor did I say I have a broadband package that was 'so fast' compared to the top end packages available today as relatively mine is a push bike but faster than a snail.

Fair enough,

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Some people (in office jobs, not others) prefer to work from home, when there is a fully paid for, funded office desk for them. At that point the business doesn't feel it should pay for home working facilities as they're already paying for an office.

I can understand that.

My sister-in-law works both at home and office. I don't know if she get any payments for using her own equipment. Saying that her boss is pretty good, when my Dad passed away he did all the legal stuff and was not going to charge us, but we did give him something for the trouble.
I was chatting to one of the Zzoomm people today as I went for a walk to get some air, seems like they are doing pretty good up here and a fair few people are taking up the service. i did say to him that Zzoomm need to supply a better router, and he told me it was down to cost that they decided to change router and to one router not two, which i guessed that anyway.
We had a good chat for 5 minutes, he was showing me the fibre, still amazed at how much data can pass though that.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

We had a good chat for 5 minutes, he was showing me the fibre, still amazed at how much data can pass though that.

WAN fibre is impressive, but wait until you see some of the direct connect (DAC) cables in data centres, or the insanely fast Storage Array fibres.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

We had a good chat for 5 minutes, he was showing me the fibre, still amazed at how much data can pass though that.

WAN fibre is impressive, but wait until you see some of the direct connect (DAC) cables in data centres, or the insanely fast Storage Array fibres.

Just amazing really that it is all done by light, saying that it still amazes me that they can get so much data going down copper cables that must be over 60 years old
The box by my front door where the cables are connected to come inside is a jungle, a right mess, and I am shocked it even works. It is the original box where the phone used to connected before we had the master sockets, so now the master socket connects to it.
but it must be ok as Out of reach had a look at it when I had some problems.

But yes, fibre is amazing technology.

Now the Covid rebates are over, if you are permanently home-based and your employer doesn't contribute anything towards your broadband cost etc., you can still claim a tax rebate against your excess costs through the normal channels.

I still come out way ahead working from home - my monthly broadband cost is equivalent to three days of train tickets and the majority of people are getting just as much done as they ever did in the office. It makes the way we used to do things look weird in comparison.